@guiones

I've seen onlt one or two failures from foreigners so far on the 330 but don't nail me for this,I might have missed something.
From I guy I know he got unfairly busted on his checkride; and on his 2nd chance he admitted that he busted.Well,can understand that you perform different if you know that's your last chance and 4 eyes are watching you...

@shockwave

Concerning rated guys, I have seen courses with everbody passing on the 777( but all got their training "extended") but there were also courses with 5 failures out of 7.
Recommend to keep the door open to your previous job if you want to give it a try; keep in mind that the job with KAL is only yours when you passed the check ride.
Depends whom you get as an instructor; cantdance for instance got the shortest straw but nobody knows before.
Kind of lottery.

Funny
 

Somebody told me about a former 777 KAL TRE, one of that terrible, sadistic liar types. He's now flying as a contract pilot for a foreign company, along with others ex KAL foreign pilots.
They make jokes about this man present behavior, as sweet as a small pet...it's another person!:}

so typical
 

No notes and negative training.

I used to work with Korean air as F/O and everything HUMAN CARGO says reminds me of all the absurdities from typical Korean captains that I had to put up with; yelling, belittling, threatening and whatnot. It looks like that he had to go through a very typical Korean Air OE.

well said.

I showed up at the interview wearing a dark plaid suit with a small North Korean red lapel badge with the image of the dear leader Kim Jong-il. (Itś every NORTH Korean citizens duty to wear the badge over the left breast). The South Koreans jumped out of their seats screaming at me. I shouted back, "Commrades...LONG LIVE DEAR LEADER-KIM JONG-IL" . Then left. Never heard from them again.:ok:

I wonder why??????

i was considering korean and was wondering what the pass stats were for the 737. i hope its not the same as the 777! if anyone got the last couple of courses for all fleets itt would be helpful
thanks in advance:ok:

The Lottery
 

Gents, & ladies (But there are NO ladies at KAL).

I would rather drive a truck than risk my professional credentials and record on a LOTTERY.

'I don't tolerate fools regardless of rank.'
Loyalty stops short of incompetence.

Have a nice day ya all- enjoy the Kimchee!
:8

There are ladies flying for KAL, actually. All of them are F/O's, but some are getting quite close to being upgraded.

Pappy
 

Well said, man!
The right place to watch clowns in action is the circus!...

Caveat Emptor
 

Remarkable how some posters are attempting to shoot down those that wish to alert others of not just pitfalls, but gaping holes.

If a potential candidate for KAL wants to know how it all works up there before signing on (yes, we're talking about me here), he contacts the prospective crewing agency and asks to be put in contact with some of the fellas on the agency's books that're based in the port that'd be on the contract: Europe, the US, Australia etc.

Every single one of the blokes I contacted and spoke with at length told stories of equal measure to the one being thrown about by Catdance. One of the blokes spoke of how, during the KAL training, he was made to feel he'd never flown a plane before in his life. This after 15 years training at one of the world's oldest airlines. None of them had an axe to grind. They all work for KAL.

Who else does one poll for an insight into what goes on at KAL? We all ask questions before making a decision on something. The agency. Yes, you ask the agency, and there are some honest people in honest outfits out there, two of whom have three letters to their company's name. One of these companies may start with the letter C whilst another may start with the letter G.

Good guys, no doubt about it. But they're in the business of sending out pilots to an airline, not spoon feeding you into making a decision. Information is all you'll get, and it wasn't recommended to leave a good job for KAL. That may not be what everyone wants to hear, but it's what is passed on by 'honest' agents. You can rule Ri-----th out completely on this one!

Honest enough comment from some straight shooters; so why leave the good job you've got to go suck a lemon in Korea? Is commuting home 12 days a month THAT important?

Be warned.

4PW
 

Sumarizing your post-

"DO NOT CONSIDER LEAVING A REASONABLE JOB TO TAKE CHANCES AT KAL"

Too bloody right, mate.

Another Loss
 

Another one bit the dust today.
A great guy got along with everyone even the instructors.
Had no issues(That we were aware of) however he was sent home. This is becoming a strange but all too real seniero that all you Korean Wanna B's need to be aware of. Korean air is a very disfunctional Airline. And nothing here has any reference on reality or safety! And you put your life career family life and health all at risk should you decide that this ia the place for you.
Your Success is literally a lottery.
So "Go ahead make my day"
Det. Harry Gant.

Just curious, but does anybody have the pay and T&C's for the A330 FO postion.

Thanks.

Quote :
Korean air is a very disfunctional Airline. And nothing here has any reference on reality or safety! And you put your life career family life and health all at risk should you decide that this ia the place for you.
Your Success is literally a lottery.

Not forgetting putting your life and lives of family members at risk when you travel on the freebee tickets! Also when you deadhead home or for vacation. I have heard confirmed horror stories of very near CFIT at KTM, engine pod scrape at NRT, weird and dangerous reverse thrust manipulations on landing almost leading to " runaway " runway excursion, botched go-arounds, landing on taxiways, etc; just too many for any level of comfort!

bases
 

Hi all,

lets say that you join them but you are european, what about USA bases or Australia bases. Can you work in USA without green card or work in Australia for few years anway. What kind of contract or premission you need? Can anybody explain this.

thanks in advance
and good flights

Putting your life at risk whilst deadheading
 

This indeed happened a few times. Once out of SYD whilst deadheading, as the plane turned into runway 16R I spied an aircraft on tow crawling ever slowly about to cross ( west to east ) the edge of the runway. As the plane was aligned with the runway, I lost sight of it. I thought it was just a line up and wait instruction. However the crew did an immediate rolling takeoff ( they indeed had tower clearance to takeoff ); I told myself that the aircraft on tow must have held position very close to the runway. There was a more abrupt rotation than usual and I knew that something was wrong and I did not see any towing aircraft throughout the takeoff.

Later, when things settled on cruise and the F/O came back for his rest, I confronted him about the incident. He related that they were filing an airmiss report as the Tower had cleared them for takeoff and the towing aircraft was at fault. Fine....i then ask him if he had seen the towing aircraft close to the runway edge prior to takeoff, he said he did but didn't think it would encroach the active runway. I asked if he and the skipper had any doubts and reconfirmed with Tower to which he replied it didn't cross their minds that the towing aircraft would encroach as they already had takeoff clearance!!! Alas, doing things blindly and by rote is the Korean way!!

I emailed one of the contract agencies directly concerning the T&C's of the KAL A330 FO postition. I also included a summary of my flight times. Granted, they are probably pretty low for the position. Of 4700 hours in airline transport operations, 2700 is in the FRJ Dornier 328Jet aircraft. The other 2000 in in the EMB-145.

I got a response back saying that the 2700 does not count as it's not a commercial aircraft. I replied that it was in commercial operations engaged in flying on behalf of Delta Airlines as Delta Connection, as well as United Airlines as United Express. The reply I got back from that was that the Dornier time does not count as it is a turbo prop aircraft and not a turbo jet aircraft. I then replied informing then that it was INDEED a turbo jet aircraft, as well as included photos of the aircraft engaged in COMMERCIAL JET operations.

This whole exchange left me wondering EXACTLY how much the contract recruiters know about aircraft as well as the operations in which they are employed.

Dojetdriver

There are the good the bad and the downright ugly among the contract companies.

Personally, wouldn't touch :mad:ing IAC or Rishworths.

CCL and GAP should give you a fair shake.

Maui