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422 you are absolutely right in your statement that when it comes to loosing jobs the expats should go first. If I would be a German national flying for the German National Airline, and job cuts had to be made the expats, or foreigners, whatever you call them , should go first. There is however a very small difference between the retrenching procedure in a real civilised country and let's say a little red dot in Asia. Being an expat in Germany and paying taxes in Germany ( like the expats pay tax in the little red spot) your income will be partly covered by a social insurance system and you will be paid unemployment bennefits when you find yourself without a job. You won't find yourself standing in the street with housing, scholing and last but not least a bonding to be paid. AND THAT MY DEAR 422 IS ONE HACK OF A DIFFERENCE!!!!!
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The expats are around because of insurance, the local record does not allow a reasonable premium level. Just because they
annoy you does'nt mean you can avoid having expat crew.
Stop crashing aircraft, then your premiums will drop and the
expats can leave.
annoy you does'nt mean you can avoid having expat crew.
Stop crashing aircraft, then your premiums will drop and the
expats can leave.
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Arguments about who should go first are not really relevant in this situation. The Company does not want to loose any of it's valuable resources because it will need them when the recovery comes.
What is sad is that SIA appear to believe that they can browbeat well qualified professionals into accepting massive cuts in income and major disruption to family life in order to reduce the chances of a face loosing first ever loss.
A mature business approach may accept that if you want to run with the big boys and operate high tech complex equipment with high lead in times for training then you must be prepared to accept occasional periods of high losses as well as the boom times. Up till now SIA has prospered without fail. Why do the Lions turn into Chickens when things get difficult.
Take a longer term view over several years. Stop looking to make your staff help reduce the losses in the short term with no promise or intention to make it up to them later.
Finally, if you are seeking to make savings be honest about the figures involved. Don't flood the media with percentages that bear no relation to the actual effect on take home pay.
The "expat pilot problem" is likely to solve itself in the longer run as any reputation SIA may have had as an employer is unlikely to survive this demonstration of corporate brutality. Most expats (and the locals who are able to) will work elsewhere as soon as they possibly can.
What is sad is that SIA appear to believe that they can browbeat well qualified professionals into accepting massive cuts in income and major disruption to family life in order to reduce the chances of a face loosing first ever loss.
A mature business approach may accept that if you want to run with the big boys and operate high tech complex equipment with high lead in times for training then you must be prepared to accept occasional periods of high losses as well as the boom times. Up till now SIA has prospered without fail. Why do the Lions turn into Chickens when things get difficult.
Take a longer term view over several years. Stop looking to make your staff help reduce the losses in the short term with no promise or intention to make it up to them later.
Finally, if you are seeking to make savings be honest about the figures involved. Don't flood the media with percentages that bear no relation to the actual effect on take home pay.
The "expat pilot problem" is likely to solve itself in the longer run as any reputation SIA may have had as an employer is unlikely to survive this demonstration of corporate brutality. Most expats (and the locals who are able to) will work elsewhere as soon as they possibly can.
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Watzowat again right on the head and very well written!! I wish you could take a seat at the negotiating table. Boofta it is obvious from your writing that you know absolutely nothing about the aviation insurance bussiness. It normally helps to be a little informed before you utter total nonsense!!
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watwazat & John Barnes
Great stuff and spot on too.
watwazat, any chance your letter could ever be printed in the Straits Times?!
Boofta As John Barnes has said, you obviously know nothing about aviation insurance. World wide SIA enjoy some of the lowest rates going, SQ6 was tragic but would not have affected the premium one tiny bit, there was already far to much premium 'in the pot'. Rest assured the SIA insurance policy contains no warranties of any sort that make any stipulation about expat. pilots.
watwazat, any chance your letter could ever be printed in the Straits Times?!
Boofta As John Barnes has said, you obviously know nothing about aviation insurance. World wide SIA enjoy some of the lowest rates going, SQ6 was tragic but would not have affected the premium one tiny bit, there was already far to much premium 'in the pot'. Rest assured the SIA insurance policy contains no warranties of any sort that make any stipulation about expat. pilots.
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I would appreciate a more constructive approach to your reasoning for not agreeing with me!
After all this is a debate, not an investigation into where I really come from!!!!!
I would appreciate a more constructive approach to your reasoning for not agreeing with me!
After all this is a debate, not an investigation into where I really come from!!!!!
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I'm no expert on the freedom of the press or otherwise in Singapore but I have yet to see any evidence of truly balanced reporting with respect to this issue. It would be easy to conclude that the pilot's union have failed to present their case well but we must remember that whenever a statement is made to the media the "sound bite" that most suites the powers that be is the one that will be reported.
Thus the pilots are portrayed as a bunch of greedy xenophobes opposing any efforts to address the issue when they are, in fact, responsible individuals whose incomes are already badly hit by the reduction in flying and resent SIA taking the opportunity to further erode their pay and conditions using the (hopefully) temporary SARS situation as an excuse.
Thus the pilots are portrayed as a bunch of greedy xenophobes opposing any efforts to address the issue when they are, in fact, responsible individuals whose incomes are already badly hit by the reduction in flying and resent SIA taking the opportunity to further erode their pay and conditions using the (hopefully) temporary SARS situation as an excuse.
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wotwazat,
Have enjoyed your well written posts, but have to disagree with the last. Prior to this week, absolutely correct about the one-sided reporting, but to give credit where it's due, since Monday I have noticed a considerable shift in balance. There have been several well balanced articles, giving quite a fair summation of the pilots' side of the argument. It would be interesting to know how much direction is given to the reporters from the top, and whether some have actually rebelled.
Have enjoyed your well written posts, but have to disagree with the last. Prior to this week, absolutely correct about the one-sided reporting, but to give credit where it's due, since Monday I have noticed a considerable shift in balance. There have been several well balanced articles, giving quite a fair summation of the pilots' side of the argument. It would be interesting to know how much direction is given to the reporters from the top, and whether some have actually rebelled.
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ALPA-S really does want SIA (Mauritius) expats OUT!
wotwazat:
You said:
>>"The "expat pilot problem" is likely to solve itself in the longer run as any reputation SIA may have had as an employer is unlikely to survive this demonstration of corporate brutality. Most expats (and the locals who are able to) will work elsewhere as soon as they possibly can.
If you mean that expats will never want to work for SIA from now on, I disagree.
I think that as awful as SIA may be as an employer, there will always be expats wanting to join them. This is clearly proven in the increase in the number of pilots joining SIA (Mauritius), IN SPITE OF the Internet being a lasting and convenient source of information about how bad (factual, perceived or otherwise) it is to work for SIA, a resource not available say 10 years ago.
On the supply side of things, since SIA is not the absolute worst employer around (and even if so you need only look at the perceived absolute worst airlines and you will still find expats working there), it will therefore still have expats wanting to work for it.
On the demand side of the equation, since SIA WILL NEVER BE ABLE to nurture commanders from Singapore and Malaysia fast enough to fill requirements, they will ALWAYS be short of captains, which will be partly solved by recruiting from the open market.
To hope that SIA from now on will never find expats working for it is just wishful thinking.
Also, you said:
>>I'm no expert on the freedom of the press or otherwise in Singapore but I have yet to see any evidence of truly balanced reporting with respect to this issue. It would be easy to conclude that the pilot's union have failed to present their case well but we must remember that whenever a statement is made to the media the "sound bite" that most suites the powers that be is the one that will be reported.
>>Thus the pilots are portrayed as a bunch of greedy xenophobes opposing any efforts to address the issue when they are, in fact, responsible individuals whose incomes are already badly hit by the reduction in flying and resent SIA taking the opportunity to further erode their pay and conditions using the (hopefully) temporary SARS situation as an excuse.
If you have not seen the ALPA-S resolution (passed on 20 May at an Extraordinary General Meeting) at the centre of all this noise, here it is:
Resolution:
- Be it resolved that the Airline Pilots Association-Singapore, not accept any Compulsory No Pay Leave (CNPL) or other wage-reduction measures until Management has addressed the issue of surplus pilots by de-seconding pilots who are not directly employed by the Company. (This refers to Overseas-Based pilots who are seconded to, and not employed directly by, SIA).
The ordinary and natural meaning of these words are:
ALPA-S will not accept any wage-reduction proposals from Management until the overseas-based pilots stop working for SIA.
It's pathetic that ALPA-S uses fancy language like "de-seconding" to mask their intention to have SIA sack the expats. Do they truly believe that SIA will keep a bunch of "de-seconded" pilots on their payroll?
Is this not greedy xenophobic behaviour?
The ALPA-S President himself earns more than a good number of such expats. What moral authority does he have to champion this cause? It is understandable if ALL the expats earn more than EVERY local, then there is logic in asking for the expats to be retrenched first. But here the issue is clouded because not all the expats earn more than every local. More likely than not ALPA-S wants them sacked because they are not allowed to join ALPA-S, therefore ALPA-S feels that it's powerbase is reduced because it cannot influence them.
You said:
>>"The "expat pilot problem" is likely to solve itself in the longer run as any reputation SIA may have had as an employer is unlikely to survive this demonstration of corporate brutality. Most expats (and the locals who are able to) will work elsewhere as soon as they possibly can.
If you mean that expats will never want to work for SIA from now on, I disagree.
I think that as awful as SIA may be as an employer, there will always be expats wanting to join them. This is clearly proven in the increase in the number of pilots joining SIA (Mauritius), IN SPITE OF the Internet being a lasting and convenient source of information about how bad (factual, perceived or otherwise) it is to work for SIA, a resource not available say 10 years ago.
On the supply side of things, since SIA is not the absolute worst employer around (and even if so you need only look at the perceived absolute worst airlines and you will still find expats working there), it will therefore still have expats wanting to work for it.
On the demand side of the equation, since SIA WILL NEVER BE ABLE to nurture commanders from Singapore and Malaysia fast enough to fill requirements, they will ALWAYS be short of captains, which will be partly solved by recruiting from the open market.
To hope that SIA from now on will never find expats working for it is just wishful thinking.
Also, you said:
>>I'm no expert on the freedom of the press or otherwise in Singapore but I have yet to see any evidence of truly balanced reporting with respect to this issue. It would be easy to conclude that the pilot's union have failed to present their case well but we must remember that whenever a statement is made to the media the "sound bite" that most suites the powers that be is the one that will be reported.
>>Thus the pilots are portrayed as a bunch of greedy xenophobes opposing any efforts to address the issue when they are, in fact, responsible individuals whose incomes are already badly hit by the reduction in flying and resent SIA taking the opportunity to further erode their pay and conditions using the (hopefully) temporary SARS situation as an excuse.
If you have not seen the ALPA-S resolution (passed on 20 May at an Extraordinary General Meeting) at the centre of all this noise, here it is:
Resolution:
- Be it resolved that the Airline Pilots Association-Singapore, not accept any Compulsory No Pay Leave (CNPL) or other wage-reduction measures until Management has addressed the issue of surplus pilots by de-seconding pilots who are not directly employed by the Company. (This refers to Overseas-Based pilots who are seconded to, and not employed directly by, SIA).
The ordinary and natural meaning of these words are:
ALPA-S will not accept any wage-reduction proposals from Management until the overseas-based pilots stop working for SIA.
It's pathetic that ALPA-S uses fancy language like "de-seconding" to mask their intention to have SIA sack the expats. Do they truly believe that SIA will keep a bunch of "de-seconded" pilots on their payroll?
Is this not greedy xenophobic behaviour?
The ALPA-S President himself earns more than a good number of such expats. What moral authority does he have to champion this cause? It is understandable if ALL the expats earn more than EVERY local, then there is logic in asking for the expats to be retrenched first. But here the issue is clouded because not all the expats earn more than every local. More likely than not ALPA-S wants them sacked because they are not allowed to join ALPA-S, therefore ALPA-S feels that it's powerbase is reduced because it cannot influence them.
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Thermal,
You sound like a broken record, kept spinning on the same track.
What is wrong with a national airline firing its non-national first ? This happens everywhere in the world.
If the decision is to fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go, what message would this send to the rest of its workforce ?
Not to mention what impact would have on the operations should SIA lose its most experienced pilots, with intimate knowledge of the policies and history.
SIA is always short on captains thanks to a very myopic policy by the previous DFO who runs the department on a deficit, leaving the current team, amongst others with a backlog annual leave of over 15,000 days.
The OBS pilots are roped in to cover the cracks of the mistakes of the previous DFO in his man power planning, now that there is surplus of man power, there is no need for OBS crews.
By the way, me think you are a OBS pilot in the SIA ranks.
You sound like a broken record, kept spinning on the same track.
What is wrong with a national airline firing its non-national first ? This happens everywhere in the world.
If the decision is to fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go, what message would this send to the rest of its workforce ?
Not to mention what impact would have on the operations should SIA lose its most experienced pilots, with intimate knowledge of the policies and history.
SIA is always short on captains thanks to a very myopic policy by the previous DFO who runs the department on a deficit, leaving the current team, amongst others with a backlog annual leave of over 15,000 days.
The OBS pilots are roped in to cover the cracks of the mistakes of the previous DFO in his man power planning, now that there is surplus of man power, there is no need for OBS crews.
By the way, me think you are a OBS pilot in the SIA ranks.
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Thanks for the kind words.
If the reporting has become more even handed then I am very pleased to hear it and I withdraw my implied criticism. I also congratulate those in the media who are trying to redress the balance. If both sides of the argument are fairly presented then there may be some public sympathy for a group that are prepared to resist this blatantly unfair treatment. There is some way to go. The cynic in me says that even SIA may have realised that they have gone over the top and are doing little for their public image. There is more to being "Singapore's Flag Ship Company" than just making money!
Thanks for the kind words.
If the reporting has become more even handed then I am very pleased to hear it and I withdraw my implied criticism. I also congratulate those in the media who are trying to redress the balance. If both sides of the argument are fairly presented then there may be some public sympathy for a group that are prepared to resist this blatantly unfair treatment. There is some way to go. The cynic in me says that even SIA may have realised that they have gone over the top and are doing little for their public image. There is more to being "Singapore's Flag Ship Company" than just making money!
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Just off the 'phone to friends still working in Singapore and I would say your reasons for ALPA(S) wanting rid of the OSB pilots are well wide of the mark. It is a lot more to do with the almost total lack of quality of roster that has developed as the numbers in the OSB increased so that even in the good times the Singapore based pilots are left with a roster that has to be written around the OSB pilots roster, less monthly flying, (flying = money), more standby and therefore more roster instability and very little chance of being rostered a London flight, (and certainly not 'in-command' into London that would give a decent day off).
I can still remember the relatively happy days before any OSBs were opend and then it was possible to get a fair months flying and a good and varied roster. Before I left, when the base in London was still relatively small, the decline had started and from what I hear and see now the quality of life has deteriorated by a whole lot more.
I can still remember the relatively happy days before any OSBs were opend and then it was possible to get a fair months flying and a good and varied roster. Before I left, when the base in London was still relatively small, the decline had started and from what I hear and see now the quality of life has deteriorated by a whole lot more.
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Burnoff,
>>You sound like a broken record, kept spinning on the same track.
Then don't read my posts. Are you not capable of exercising your own will?
>>What is wrong with a national airline firing its non-national first ? This happens everywhere in the world.
I have not said that it was wrong for a national airline to fire non-nationals first. Show me where I said so, please.
In case you didn't notice, who wants whom fired first? It is very clear that ALPA-S wants the non-nationals fired first. It is also very clear that SIA does not want the non-nationals fired first. Can you distinguish between ALPA-S and SIA?
>>If the decision is to fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go, what message would this send to the rest of its workforce ?
Again, did I suggest that SIA should "fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go"? This is what I suggested (scroll to the bottom of the post):
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...367#post874367
"The logical and pragmatic solution is to categorise and then rank all pilots by appointment and then pay, then see who are the expensive ones nearing retirement and then let them go. They have already demonstrated this with the axing of some 310 and 340 pilots, who were "too old to be retrained for another fleet".
You appear not to be able to grasp my logic, twice.
In your post of http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...990#post278990
You said: As per normal, when it comes to deduction, the management is "quick-draw-McGraw".
So who is quick-draw-McGraw now?
>>Not to mention what impact would have on the operations should SIA lose its most experienced pilots, with intimate knowledge of the policies and history.
Knowledge without application is useless. In any case, "knowledge" can be found in hard copy in the FAM etc. By your argument such "most experienced" pilots are so valuable to operations that ideally they should never retire. Also, when they do, the loss of these "most experienced pilots", ought to have a huge "impact" on operations. But it doesn't. People retire; the airline chugs on. Operationally, no big deal.
>>SIA is always short on captains thanks to a very myopic policy by the previous DFO who runs the department on a deficit, leaving the current team, amongst others with a backlog annual leave of over 15,000 days.
Too bad. We just have to deal with it. It remains a fact that we are short. This only worsens what I said, that we are unable to nurture enough commanders from local stock.
>>The OBS pilots are roped in to cover the cracks of the mistakes of the previous DFO in his man power planning, now that there is surplus of man power, there is no need for OBS crews.
Sorry lah, SIA doesn't think so. Their position is NOT:
a. OBS = just to cover shortage, therefore
b. if no shortage = then no OBS.
In case you don't understand, they are there for strategic reasons as well as cost reasons.
>>By the way, me think you are a OBS pilot in the SIA ranks.
Haha. Can I not show independant thinking even if it means I will suffer what I propose? Quite defensive of you to conclude that since I can think logically or since I can think like an OBS therefore I must one? Do you just think what ALPA-S tells you to think?
G Khan,
OK, your friend's reasons and my reasons differ. However shall we agree that regardless of motivation, it remains that ALPA-S wants OBS pilots sacked first before all else?
In the Tues 27 May edition of the Straits Times: http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/lat...72740,00.html?
Quote:
Capt John said another round of talks was tentatively scheduled for next Tuesday.
He said the pilots reiterated their position that management should first axe foreign-based pilots employed by a 100 per cent SIA-owned company called SIA Mauritius before they agree to discuss wage cuts.
Unquote
Separately, more writing on the wall along the line of I Told You So (see http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...385#post875385
In the Thu 29 May edition of The Business Times 29 May: http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/s...82820,00.html?
Quote
SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) employees must prepare for painful measures as their company undergoes restructuring to correct a wage system that 'got out of line', National Trades Union Congress chief Lim Boon Heng said yesterday as wage negotiations remain inconclusive between the airline and its pilots.
Unquote
>>You sound like a broken record, kept spinning on the same track.
Then don't read my posts. Are you not capable of exercising your own will?
>>What is wrong with a national airline firing its non-national first ? This happens everywhere in the world.
I have not said that it was wrong for a national airline to fire non-nationals first. Show me where I said so, please.
In case you didn't notice, who wants whom fired first? It is very clear that ALPA-S wants the non-nationals fired first. It is also very clear that SIA does not want the non-nationals fired first. Can you distinguish between ALPA-S and SIA?
>>If the decision is to fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go, what message would this send to the rest of its workforce ?
Again, did I suggest that SIA should "fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go"? This is what I suggested (scroll to the bottom of the post):
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...367#post874367
"The logical and pragmatic solution is to categorise and then rank all pilots by appointment and then pay, then see who are the expensive ones nearing retirement and then let them go. They have already demonstrated this with the axing of some 310 and 340 pilots, who were "too old to be retrained for another fleet".
You appear not to be able to grasp my logic, twice.
In your post of http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...990#post278990
You said: As per normal, when it comes to deduction, the management is "quick-draw-McGraw".
So who is quick-draw-McGraw now?
>>Not to mention what impact would have on the operations should SIA lose its most experienced pilots, with intimate knowledge of the policies and history.
Knowledge without application is useless. In any case, "knowledge" can be found in hard copy in the FAM etc. By your argument such "most experienced" pilots are so valuable to operations that ideally they should never retire. Also, when they do, the loss of these "most experienced pilots", ought to have a huge "impact" on operations. But it doesn't. People retire; the airline chugs on. Operationally, no big deal.
>>SIA is always short on captains thanks to a very myopic policy by the previous DFO who runs the department on a deficit, leaving the current team, amongst others with a backlog annual leave of over 15,000 days.
Too bad. We just have to deal with it. It remains a fact that we are short. This only worsens what I said, that we are unable to nurture enough commanders from local stock.
>>The OBS pilots are roped in to cover the cracks of the mistakes of the previous DFO in his man power planning, now that there is surplus of man power, there is no need for OBS crews.
Sorry lah, SIA doesn't think so. Their position is NOT:
a. OBS = just to cover shortage, therefore
b. if no shortage = then no OBS.
In case you don't understand, they are there for strategic reasons as well as cost reasons.
>>By the way, me think you are a OBS pilot in the SIA ranks.
Haha. Can I not show independant thinking even if it means I will suffer what I propose? Quite defensive of you to conclude that since I can think logically or since I can think like an OBS therefore I must one? Do you just think what ALPA-S tells you to think?
G Khan,
OK, your friend's reasons and my reasons differ. However shall we agree that regardless of motivation, it remains that ALPA-S wants OBS pilots sacked first before all else?
In the Tues 27 May edition of the Straits Times: http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/lat...72740,00.html?
Quote:
Capt John said another round of talks was tentatively scheduled for next Tuesday.
He said the pilots reiterated their position that management should first axe foreign-based pilots employed by a 100 per cent SIA-owned company called SIA Mauritius before they agree to discuss wage cuts.
Unquote
Separately, more writing on the wall along the line of I Told You So (see http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...385#post875385
In the Thu 29 May edition of The Business Times 29 May: http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/s...82820,00.html?
Quote
SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) employees must prepare for painful measures as their company undergoes restructuring to correct a wage system that 'got out of line', National Trades Union Congress chief Lim Boon Heng said yesterday as wage negotiations remain inconclusive between the airline and its pilots.
Unquote
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Normally when a good company is seeking some concessions from it's staff to help through difficult times it tries to offer something in return for that help and sacrifice.
Apart from keeping a job (at much lower salary) did I miss the offers from SIA.
Has there been any mention of the difficulties families might face, reassurances as to a return to normal or concern for the morale and well being of staff under stress? (Even families have a business plan and most don't have the proceeds of years of high income to fall back on as SIA do.)
I must have missed it.
Apart from keeping a job (at much lower salary) did I miss the offers from SIA.
Has there been any mention of the difficulties families might face, reassurances as to a return to normal or concern for the morale and well being of staff under stress? (Even families have a business plan and most don't have the proceeds of years of high income to fall back on as SIA do.)
I must have missed it.
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OBS eternity
OBS will linger as long as there is LOCALS.
WIshlist of the Co is to fully revisit the years of
70% white..
wait and see.
SQ never liked yellow skin who talked too much... not in line
with national aspirations.
WIshlist of the Co is to fully revisit the years of
70% white..
wait and see.
SQ never liked yellow skin who talked too much... not in line
with national aspirations.
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422 why don't we try to keep this link as good as it has been, instead of transforming it into a stupid racial slur site. These discussions here help us a lot because I know for a fact that some of the Singaporian reporters get their more balanced information from this site and the likes of Wotwazat. His write ups help the Singaporian pilots more than all the ALPAS attemps to get their story accros. One of the leading Bussiness Times reporters told me that he spent at least an hour a day on PPRUNE to get his "balanced information". This is a PR war and let's use all the possible angles, don't spoil it with ranting!
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Well maybe the press can pick up on this.
The last 7 Expat Captains on the A-310 have been given the choice of 6 months NPL or 90 days notice.
So, departures so far, as best I can tell including the last 7 are
12 A-310 Captains
1 A-310 F/O
8 A-320 Captains
3 A-340 Captains
All Capts were on Expat terms.
The last A-310 Flight is scheduled to be SQ64/65 Sat 31st May, followed by a "GREAT PARTY" to finish off the Fleet.
TO DEFRAY COSTS, CONTRIBUTIONS REQUESTED!!!!!
YES
TO DEFRAY COSTS, CONTRIBUTIONS REQUESTED!!!!!
what can one say, what can one really say.
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The last 7 Expat Captains on the A-310 have been given the choice of 6 months NPL or 90 days notice.
So, departures so far, as best I can tell including the last 7 are
12 A-310 Captains
1 A-310 F/O
8 A-320 Captains
3 A-340 Captains
All Capts were on Expat terms.
The last A-310 Flight is scheduled to be SQ64/65 Sat 31st May, followed by a "GREAT PARTY" to finish off the Fleet.
TO DEFRAY COSTS, CONTRIBUTIONS REQUESTED!!!!!
YES
TO DEFRAY COSTS, CONTRIBUTIONS REQUESTED!!!!!
what can one say, what can one really say.
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Balanced Reporting? Ha!
I don't think the press has gone soft or done some "balanced reporting" on the pilots / the union at all.
It's all part of the good-cop-bad-cop routine.
First round - bash them good to show them what's in store.
Second round - stroke them a bit to show them what's in store.
It's all part of the good-cop-bad-cop routine.
First round - bash them good to show them what's in store.
Second round - stroke them a bit to show them what's in store.
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I have to appologize , the " try to some more balanced reporting" has gone out of the window. 1) ALPAS negotiater is changed in the middle of the battle. 2) I read a full page article in the Straight Times which stated that my income is above that of a Cathay Pilot who earns $ 800.000 a year. I have never read such a nonsense on one page. My computer skills are too limited to put the link here but I am sure there is some clever cookie around who can do this. Sad day for the pilot community in Singapore. First saving action: NEVER BUY THE ST AGAIN.