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Old 29th May 2003, 14:34
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Burnoff,

>>You sound like a broken record, kept spinning on the same track.
Then don't read my posts. Are you not capable of exercising your own will?

>>What is wrong with a national airline firing its non-national first ? This happens everywhere in the world.
I have not said that it was wrong for a national airline to fire non-nationals first. Show me where I said so, please.

In case you didn't notice, who wants whom fired first? It is very clear that ALPA-S wants the non-nationals fired first. It is also very clear that SIA does not want the non-nationals fired first. Can you distinguish between ALPA-S and SIA?

>>If the decision is to fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go, what message would this send to the rest of its workforce ?
Again, did I suggest that SIA should "fire all SIN based personnel earning more than OBS pilots before ANY OBS pilots is let go"? This is what I suggested (scroll to the bottom of the post):
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...367#post874367
"The logical and pragmatic solution is to categorise and then rank all pilots by appointment and then pay, then see who are the expensive ones nearing retirement and then let them go. They have already demonstrated this with the axing of some 310 and 340 pilots, who were "too old to be retrained for another fleet".

You appear not to be able to grasp my logic, twice.

In your post of http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...990#post278990
You said: As per normal, when it comes to deduction, the management is "quick-draw-McGraw".

So who is quick-draw-McGraw now?

>>Not to mention what impact would have on the operations should SIA lose its most experienced pilots, with intimate knowledge of the policies and history.
Knowledge without application is useless. In any case, "knowledge" can be found in hard copy in the FAM etc. By your argument such "most experienced" pilots are so valuable to operations that ideally they should never retire. Also, when they do, the loss of these "most experienced pilots", ought to have a huge "impact" on operations. But it doesn't. People retire; the airline chugs on. Operationally, no big deal.

>>SIA is always short on captains thanks to a very myopic policy by the previous DFO who runs the department on a deficit, leaving the current team, amongst others with a backlog annual leave of over 15,000 days.
Too bad. We just have to deal with it. It remains a fact that we are short. This only worsens what I said, that we are unable to nurture enough commanders from local stock.

>>The OBS pilots are roped in to cover the cracks of the mistakes of the previous DFO in his man power planning, now that there is surplus of man power, there is no need for OBS crews.
Sorry lah, SIA doesn't think so. Their position is NOT:
a. OBS = just to cover shortage, therefore
b. if no shortage = then no OBS.

In case you don't understand, they are there for strategic reasons as well as cost reasons.

>>By the way, me think you are a OBS pilot in the SIA ranks.
Haha. Can I not show independant thinking even if it means I will suffer what I propose? Quite defensive of you to conclude that since I can think logically or since I can think like an OBS therefore I must one? Do you just think what ALPA-S tells you to think?

G Khan,

OK, your friend's reasons and my reasons differ. However shall we agree that regardless of motivation, it remains that ALPA-S wants OBS pilots sacked first before all else?

In the Tues 27 May edition of the Straits Times: http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/lat...72740,00.html?

Quote:
Capt John said another round of talks was tentatively scheduled for next Tuesday.
He said the pilots reiterated their position that management should first axe foreign-based pilots employed by a 100 per cent SIA-owned company called SIA Mauritius before they agree to discuss wage cuts.
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Separately, more writing on the wall along the line of I Told You So (see http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...385#post875385

In the Thu 29 May edition of The Business Times 29 May: http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/s...82820,00.html?
Quote
SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) employees must prepare for painful measures as their company undergoes restructuring to correct a wage system that 'got out of line', National Trades Union Congress chief Lim Boon Heng said yesterday as wage negotiations remain inconclusive between the airline and its pilots.
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