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Old 1st Dec 2020, 11:22
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Originally Posted by hafiz86 View Post
hi ia1166, is VNA taking cv's for future employment.
can you pm me your email as i am looking to deposit my cv.
fo rated on 320 .
thanks.
Theyíre not. plenty still on LWOP.
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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 04:54
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Ian how much do you really think that they will raise the salary. I mean even If they double the current salary it will still not be a sustainable salary for living.
VNA have now got the taste of cheap prossies (Pilots). Do you really think that they will raise the salary, how I see it, There are so many pilots out there that are willing to bend over, even without knee pads that there is really no reason to do so.

I understand the reasoning behind staying current but according to The forecasts from Airbus, Boeing and IATA it seems the aviation industry will recover around 2024. Are you going to work for free another 3-4 years? Will not be much left from your retirement fund.
secondly, I donít think currency will be that important in the future. I mean itís quite obvious that the airlines will need to adjust their ďrecent flight requirementsĒ because there are so many of us currently unemployed that they will not have enough pilots post Covid when things pick up again. I am not judging you regarding this matter but I would love to hear yours and others opinion regarding this.
Honestly i think it will recover here end of 21 to a good level. IATA is talking worldwide, not asia specific.

Everyone in the airline, my colleagues, have taken a pay cut to help the airline survive the crisis.

If you think it isnít necessary for pilots like you, good luck with that attitude. Personally I would not want to work for my original salary while everyone else in the company is suffering. I am no narcissist.

As I said before, payroll is a big element of an airlines costs, despite what Nichol thinks from his book, Flight deck are only part of a joint workforce. And a team response to help the airline survive is required.

Management have said a pay raise is on the way. I suspect it will improve multiple times over the next couple of years. Presently I trust them to guide us through it. Something the pilot action group did not.

I did feel a bit of sympathy for your predicament by signing up for the pilot action group, but if your opinion is I am a cheap prossie, then good luck with your future and donít come back here. You are no colleague of mine.

My personal circumstances are my own business.






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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 05:48
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek View Post
So because I don’t want to accept a 400$ basic salary, that makes me a narcissist????
I hope VNA will be as loyal to you as you are to them. I used to be like you but I had my lesson, thank you.

Good luck and I wish you all the best.
VN have a very low basic in case there is a further outbreak and the fleet is locked down again. It saves laying everyone off and is a good policy.

Stop going on about it. Captains are on 2 to 3 grand, DPEs 4 to 5. Sorry its not enough to privately educate your children. Maybe you should have downsized before terminating your career by accepting the terms and then joining a group to take on management.

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Old 4th Dec 2020, 00:39
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They fire all the pilotos outside Vietnam who cannot return ?
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 19:55
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They fire all the pilotos outside Vietnam who cannot return ?
None from any of the airlines, a few contracts have not been renewed which expired but on the whole everyone remain on unpaid leave indefinitely
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 16:18
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Basic salary just upgraded for A350 captains from 400 to 800USD
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 06:24
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The ones going on 2-3k are doing 15 days and more on quarantine every time they fly international: 1 intl, quarantine, then call back from quarantine for another intl flight, ending up to almost a month with no life, no decent compensation ($20/day) in a shitty hotel. At some point you need to consider minimum self-respect.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:48
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Basic is irrelevant. Its the productivity related payments that are more important.

Unfortunately for a 350 driver, this means cargo flights and quarantine. If you refuse, you get a bit of domestic, low pay, and sit by the pool all day.

The new salary package is a considerable improvement over the old one, and another review in December. Low basic and good productivity pay is the best course of action for VNA. Plenty of wide body guys have refused cargo so why pay a high basic?

For the guys who volunteered to work for free, the current package must seem like a fortune.

As with all these things, you do have choices. Noone is twisting your arms here.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 07:46
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Unfortunately for a 350 driver, this means cargo flights and quarantine. If you refuse, you get a bit of domestic, low pay, and sit by the pool all day.
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Not really: If you refuse, you stay on unpaid leave
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 00:05
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Not really: If you refuse, you stay on unpaid leave
Sure. That too. To be honest why be paid but refuse to fly?

Take the job or don’t. It was your choice to fly the 350.

Unfortunately the job spec has changed somewhat.

You can always ask to go back to the 321.

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Old 28th Apr 2021, 01:38
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
Sure. That too. To be honest why be paid but refuse to fly?

Take the job or donít. It was your choice to fly the 350.

Unfortunately the job spec has changed somewhat.

You can always ask to go back to the 321.
the contract you signed didnít mention a salary less than that of an uber driver. No matter which type you are on, they are squeezing you. Helping out the company is one thing. Prostituting yourself is something else.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 02:48
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the contract you signed didn’t mention a salary less than that of an uber driver. No matter which type you are on, they are squeezing you. Helping out the company is one thing. Prostituting yourself is something else.
Sure. Then go on unpaid leave and try to come back in 6 months.

You don’t know what I signed, or what i earn so don’t presume anything. I am flying 90 hours a month and if you think I am happy to do this while you lounge by the pool on 1 hanoi turn a week whilst refusing to do cargo, you are wrong. You can find sympathy in the dictionary, not here.

The current contract amendment is optional. You don’t have to agree to it.

You have options.

But taking it then crying in your beer is a bit demeaning to be honest.

Maybe go home and drive an UBER.

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Old 28th Apr 2021, 07:40
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Only celebrity Uber can make good money take time to build the followers
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 09:00
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The way this industry is going you'll make more money being an uber driver, better job stability too....
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 15:26
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So IA, how much do you make a month?
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Old 7th May 2021, 11:09
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One sure thing is, having some selfish individuals accepting to prostitute themselves for whatever condition does not help the profession. They probably have a good laugh everyday in VNA office looking at those expats paid like shit going for quarantines in shitty hotels with a big smile!

I'll keep the beer next to the pool and my pants on! Cheers 🍻
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Old 9th May 2021, 14:28
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You can bet, but tbh, it has been the case since almost day 1 expat arrived there.
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Old 17th May 2021, 06:11
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So IA, how much do you make a month?
how much do you earn?

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Old 17th May 2021, 06:12
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Originally Posted by Highrod View Post
One sure thing is, having some selfish individuals accepting to prostitute themselves for whatever condition does not help the profession. They probably have a good laugh everyday in VNA office looking at those expats paid like shit going for quarantines in shitty hotels with a big smile!

I'll keep the beer next to the pool and my pants on! Cheers 🍻
i spend most days by the pool. Don’t do cargo, or quarantine.

Life is ok. Just need the commuting back, hopefully next year maybe.

Don’t quite get your idea that working is somehow selfish. I would like to see VNA survive for the future. All staff at VN have had a salary reduction, surely a selfish attitude would be to expect pilots salary to be maintained while everyone else suffered.
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Old 18th May 2021, 11:31
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Originally Posted by Highrod View Post
One sure thing is, having some selfish individuals accepting to prostitute themselves for whatever condition does not help the profession. They probably have a good laugh everyday in VNA office looking at those expats paid like shit going for quarantines in shitty hotels with a big smile!

I'll keep the beer next to the pool and my pants on! Cheers 🍻
Much as I donít want to cast doubt on your English language ability, I should draw your attention to the definition of prostitute.
prostitute something/yourself(disapproving)to use your skills, abilities, etc. to do something that earns you money but that other people do not respect because you are capable of doing something better.

So to take it further, if you see being an UBER driver or pool ligger as an occupation that is better than an airline pilot, then your analogy is correct. My view is different to yours but its a free world.

Your current view of your work colleagues who are supporting their families and the airline in trying times, and your view that management is somehow taking perverse pleasure in the current pandemic conditions is, sadly an indication of some kind of narcissist issue. The terms are there. If they are not acceptable to you then just turn them down until the current crisis is over.

As far as management goes, its not a job I would want, so I can only respect what they do and hope they get us through to better times. I donít want their job, and so respect all that they do.

Sitting on the fence and abusing people. Thats a great attitude.
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