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Old 17th Dec 2018, 16:13
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Typical stuffs for airlines in Asia.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 21:52
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I suspect TPE flyer and Capt BWC is the same individual.. quite pathetic really.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 01:13
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Originally Posted by Cloudtopper View Post
I suspect TPE flyer and Capt BWC is the same individual.. quite pathetic really.
I suspect you're a loyal employee to this establishment. Go troll somewhere else.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 01:25
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Originally Posted by Cloudtopper View Post
I suspect TPE flyer and Capt BWC is the same individual.. quite pathetic really.
Sorry, no, not necessarily. They give the same treatment to everyone, over and over. You see, theyíre not very creative, they only know one or two ways to inflict punishment and harm...
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 02:25
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Originally Posted by Cloudtopper View Post
I suspect TPE flyer and Capt BWC is the same individual.. quite pathetic really.
We are really interested in your side of story!
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 02:48
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Originally Posted by Cloudtopper View Post
I suspect TPE flyer and Capt BWC is the same individual.. quite pathetic really.
Cloudtopper, let me understand why would you suspect that? Does it make more sense to you that someone would take the time and effort to use two User IDs rather than one to make a single point? Why not then suspect that all the UserIDs who agree with the Threat title are the same person? And why not suspect that you, the only one who disagrees with the elaborately placed and agreed upon statements between the other users, the only one who rushes to the defense of the helpless airline with no one to speak on their behalf, are in fact an agent of CAL? You can consider sticking to Facebook for your gossip and mud-slinging. Possibly consider treating the other posts with respect?

On the other hand, I can substantiate just about every claim that TPE Flyer and Captain BWC have made. I have experienced the "trusted FO" routine, who reports you for buying coffee at the next gate, about an hour before departure. I've been given about 7 "random" check rides over the course of 2 months, based strictly on FO reports ranging from, "I don't know the captain disconnected the autopilot" to "he accepted a visual approach," and the list gets even more entertaining (neither of those are violations in the SOPs, by the way). What's worse, these FO's aren't told to learn something from the CA, their behavior is positively reinforced. A pattern emerged: all of the write-ups from FOs - at least the ones that have came to my attention - are an act of preemption. They've done something egregious, themselves, know it, and try to strike first since they know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The whole experience was like one long witch hunt by an angry mob.

But I digress. Without any speculation required of any kind, it's easy to see gross violations of their SOPs and FOM. But what is more concerning is their willingness to violate laws - aviation related and employment related - and industry accepted safety practices.

We're not just talking about folks walking around with an unapproved color of socks. We're talking about people who value FOQA more than their safety. We're talking about people who are so automation dependent that they'd sooner land off the runway than take manual control. We're talking about people who find any excuse to remove themselves from blame.

You can forget taking responsibility, because they won't even accept it. You may reference the triple go-around on the 738 in CAVOK conditions and calm winds in Toyama which resulted in a fuel emergency and diversion.

You may reference the 744 which they landed off the side of the runway at ORD. You may reference the tail-strike on GA after safe landing in the A330. You may reference the flight from KUL to TPE during which they failed to declare any kind of medical emergency or priority in spite of the fact that the FO was incapacitated and for the vast majority of the flight, the captain chose the most senior or deadheading flight crew to occupy the FO's seat. You may reference the 777 and 747 that taxied into the grass. All of these happened in the last 3 years.

We haven't even gotten to the personal attacks they made on me, and my personal life.

There is such a long list of discriminatory and dangerous practice that I don't think I could fit it, here. You all need to know what you're signing up for. This is a hazardous operation to your career, and to your safety.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 04:23
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Does anyone know about EVA? Stories about CAL going around here are rather scary. Would it be the same at EVA?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 05:50
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Sounds like a CAL / Ci (China Airlines) recruitment video. Be nice if they had a bunch of old timers telling their stories.

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 09:11
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Originally Posted by avi8safely View Post
Does anyone know about EVA? Stories about CAL going around here are rather scary. Would it be the same at EVA?
EVA has a significant amount of expat pilots. Probably half of the pilot group, if not more, are foreigners. I donít know the working environment in EVA, canít comment on it...
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 17:24
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 18:40
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This is getting fun....
I thought I was the only fun who feels this way.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 00:37
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Originally Posted by Lokomoko View Post

EVA has a significant amount of expat pilots. Probably half of the pilot group, if not more, are foreigners. I donít know the working environment in EVA, canít comment on it...
I will take that EVA wouldnít be as bad as CAL at least. Thanks for comment.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 14:48
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Originally Posted by avi8safely View Post
Does anyone know about EVA? Stories about CAL going around here are rather scary. Would it be the same at EVA?
Completely different companies. Completely different stories.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:58
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Hello, I'm not interested to offend anybody or complaining about another culture I just want to be useful for other pilots that may think to join CAL.
As FO I've been in CAL for sometime and what was the reality was not what they were advertising to find people, more or less about everything.
I never had any training or flying issue with them even if it may sounds strange. But this is.

The biggest issue for a First Officer joining CAL is that will be probably never upgrade or if it will never happen will be after long long time. Now, do you really want to take the risk to waste your time there and not being appreciated for your work? Do you really want to sit next to a captain that most of the time has less knowledge than you? Some of them may be are nice but others are just arrogant and you will never know what they are really thinking.
The warning I'm giving to all the FO to don't go there is even more serious after this long Strike they are having where the union (legally in Taiwan an expat can be part of the union but locals don't want expats in the union) as usual is fighting against expats. CAL agrees to don't hire anymore Captains for some time and just block any FO to be upgraded.

To the public opinion they can show whatever but this is what it is happening.
I'm really glad I went away even if I lost 22000 usd (barely legal) because what I gained has much more value.

I'm sorry for those few nice Taiwaneses that are involved in all this even not wanting it.

P.S. it's just ridiculous when you support a local captain for a sim session and the instructor for the oral test ask questions to you and not to the captain. Unbelievable. Of course my correct answer was followed by "I'm not here to be checked but someone else yes".
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 09:36
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FYI:

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201902140009.aspx
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 19:12
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Because only the Foreign Pilots are reckless and break the rules in this company. The Locals are faultless in their behaviour is beyond reproach!

The Hypocricy is what pi$$es off the foreigners, none of us care when the other pilot sleeps. Even more ironic is that it is local pilot reporting local pilot.

https://www.rt.com/news/452160-copil...aptain-asleep/

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Old 24th Feb 2019, 22:39
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As expat fo, because unwritten rules, I could only fly with local cpts (good for them, for sure no violations on my flights) I can say the locals are the one that don't like to follow their own procedures.

They are "pilots" without discipline, like big kids, that's why the company has to introduce more and more stupid rules. Usually they don't know what they are doing and why they do because it's just in their culture to don't ask anything to the instructors and from my point of view who has this kind of culture should not fly. Their decision making is so poor just because since they are kids there is always someone that decide things for them so they are not used to think, decide and take responsibilities.

There are so many wrong things in how they are that I can keep write for hours but if they don't understand where they make the mistake it's their problem. I'm really sorry for the few good guys over there with a wider vision, I can understand their frustration.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 00:25
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Originally Posted by TPE Flyer View Post
Because only the Foreign Pilots are reckless and break the rules in this company. The Locals are faultless in their behaviour is beyond reproach!

The Hypocricy is what pi$$es off the foreigners, none of us care when the other pilot sleeps. Even more ironic is that it is local pilot reporting local pilot.

https://www.rt.com/news/452160-copil...aptain-asleep/

Apparently the FO also got punished. Good for that traitor. You just don't do that unless you are a real MF.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 00:28
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Originally Posted by Lokomoko View Post
Hello everyone,
I couldnít really pass on the opportunity of sharing my experience of 3 years working for CAL.
I was employed there as a Captain for 3 years. Do not come here unless you are jobless, which is going to be hard in todayís industry unless you are not rated on a Boeing or an Airbus.
Good writeup! If anyone is jobless and plans to try Taiwan, try Eva Air. Not a perfect company (does that even exists?) but good enough to save your ass if unemployed.

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