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Old 9th Sep 2018, 14:44
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Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk View Post
Funny how the tables have turned....Scoot FOs are now paid the same, if not more than their SQ counterparts and enjoying a decent lifestyle to boot.
well he did say 10-11k..but is that Gross or net pay? he didnt clarify...
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 06:54
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well he did say 10-11k..but is that Gross or net pay? he didnt clarify...
Tax on this amount is negligible in SIN. Circa S$800 but I stand to be corrected.

Choce of fleets too in TZ/TR. Exciting times.
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 11:00
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well he did say 10-11k..but is that Gross or net pay? he didnt clarify...
That amount is before tax and cpf and for scoot 320 working 80 hrs a mth.
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 14:03
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I'm guessing Airbus will go onto a330, can anyone give an idea of routes, schedule, average trip length or roster, or any other contract info
thanks
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 05:57
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Before CPF?!
isn't CPF like 43%?
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 11:26
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well he did say 10-11k..but is that Gross or net pay? he didnt clarify...
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 02:49
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Originally Posted by Gate_15L View Post
Before CPF?!
isn't CPF like 43%?
Employee contribution if you're under 55 is 20% capped at $1200/month

The pay for all flying jobs in Singapore is very subpar. Even more so considering the high cost of living. That cost is even greater for non-Singaporeans as you don't have access to the subsidised housing that locals get. If you have kids, schooling is also very expensive.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 05:16
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No CPF unless you are PR or Citizen.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 02:52
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No CPF unless you are PR or Citizen.
Must have changed then. In the nineties expats had CPF, the company provident fund had closed. (Still got my CPF umbrella somewhere, presented with final payout!).
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 07:59
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As hogger says then reducing from 55, plus under some circumstances the ability to withdraw it.
CPF 20% up to age 55, 13% 55 to 60, 7.5% 60 to 65, 5% above 65
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 12:20
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Like you I was a DEC from GF but only did 5 years from being checked on the line as age 60 was the end of the road. Back then SQ was a good job, regular yearly bonus, 13 month salary , special accommodation allowance paying 80% of the rent with tax benefits to boot. Those days are well and truly over now.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 06:08
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thegypsy - Yes, I don't think I have ever alluded otherwise. The CPF was payable by and paid to local and expat alike, so it would not be unreasonable to expect it to be paid now to anyone on a Local contract.

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Old 20th Sep 2018, 11:31
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
thegypsy - Yes, I don't think I have never alluded otherwise. The CPF was payable by and paid to local and expat alike, so it would not be unreasonable to expect it to be paid now to anyone on a Local contract.
It's only paid to Singaporeans and PRs. Expats now is on a local contract but do not get CPF!
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 01:07
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Thanks etops777, that doesn't sound so good. I knew when they scrapped the expat contract they stripped out as much as they could to bring it in line with a local contract, didn't realise they had gone below the line, as it were, and taken CPF out as well, that strikes me as a 'low blow'.
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 17:29
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I don't remember getting CPF but perhaps memory has gone confused:
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 18:37
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-no paying CPF is a national policy. Only PRs and citizens get CPF
-the DEFO gig is only for pilots with an ATPL and 1500hrs or more
-only on local terms 6500sgd basic and 60sgd per hour flt pay with no guaranteed
-also payable is a meal allowance .
-average take home is around 11500-12000pm SGD
-5yrs minimum time to command-depends on slots no guarantees again
-random computer generated roster. no commuting roster or lifestyle roster. only guarantee is 8 days off (2days every week)
rentals start at 800sgd for a room to 5000sgd for a 3 bedroom apartment
cheap 2nd hand 5 years Japanese car starts for 40000sgd
pint of beer ranges from 12sgd to 25 sgd depending on location and establishment
-the plus... you get to fly a shiny almost new widebody
good luck applying and but you have been forewarned
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 01:23
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Like thegypsy, I was there back in the nineties and I certainly didn't get CPF. The Provident Fund was terminated when SAR"s occurred. It was frozen but did pay out when I left at age 60.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 02:27
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When I joined we had the choice to join the company fund or CPF, I chose the company fund. The company fund was closed and our contributions withheld but still growing (a bit!) until we left. When the fund closed to further contributions we were directed to the CPF. I drew mine in 2001 and still have the umbrella that was presented with the final cheque, after all outstanding income tax had been deducted! Clearly we were on different Ts and Cs where provident fund was concerned.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 04:01
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Originally Posted by slayerdude View Post
-no paying CPF is a national policy. Only PRs and citizens get CPF
-the DEFO gig is only for pilots with an ATPL and 1500hrs or more
-only on local terms 6500sgd basic and 60sgd per hour flt pay with no guaranteed
-also payable is a meal allowance .
-average take home is around 11500-12000pm SGD
-5yrs minimum time to command-depends on slots no guarantees again
-random computer generated roster. no commuting roster or lifestyle roster. only guarantee is 8 days off (2days every week)
rentals start at 800sgd for a room to 5000sgd for a 3 bedroom apartment
cheap 2nd hand 5 years Japanese car starts for 40000sgd
pint of beer ranges from 12sgd to 25 sgd depending on location and establishment
-the plus... you get to fly a shiny almost new widebody
good luck applying and but you have been forewarned
The time to command far exceed the minimum 5 years. For someone that join today it will be around 13-15 years to command much like CX.

The hourly flight pay is on a tier basis. When one flies more than 70 hours per month the hourly pay goes up.

Apartment rental depends on the type one choose to rent. From a single room to 2-4 bedrooms HDB or Condo.


I would say if one has a good job in your home country I would not suggest the move.
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Old 23rd Sep 2018, 13:18
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Originally Posted by etops777 View Post
The time to command far exceed the minimum 5 years. For someone that join today it will be around 13-15 years to command much like CX.

The hourly flight pay is on a tier basis. When one flies more than 70 hours per month the hourly pay goes up.

Apartment rental depends on the type one choose to rent. From a single room to 2-4 bedrooms HDB or Condo.


I would say if one has a good job in your home country I would not suggest the move.
No more 5yrs yes..but where is this 13-15 yrs for DEFO? Its not written on stones yet. The 13-15 yrs are meant for those who start from day one cadets. There is a queue but nothing is firmed on how many years yet. Maybe shorter...
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