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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 10:13
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Singapore Airlines DEFO

Now that Singapore Airlines is recruiting expats again, anyone willing to provide any info about the salary and benefit package for direct entry First Officer position? The info on ppjn website is rather vague to say the least. Thanks in advance.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 13:38
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Originally Posted by FLTLVLCHG View Post
Now that Singapore Airlines is recruiting expats again, anyone willing to provide any info about the salary and benefit package for direct entry First Officer position? The info on ppjn website is rather vague to say the least. Thanks in advance.
Are they taking in expats?? DEC or DEFO?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 15:00
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Yes, both direct entry second and first officers.

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Old 24th Aug 2018, 01:06
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Previously, around 1991/2, when SIA recruited ex-pat FOs, they were told they would not be considered for command. May be different now if they are only recruiting on Local terms and conditions, not ex-pat. Ts & Cs
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 05:12
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Just for clarity, only FO not Direct Captains (that'd really be something).
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 05:36
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Pay rooster(typical schedule) vacation and housing allowance info ,to name a few,please.

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Old 28th Aug 2018, 06:58
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After the way they treated Expats in the past why would anyone join?

People with 20+ years of service treated like disposable temporary workers.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 01:43
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Eric - In SIA no one was ever given to believe that they had any more future than the expiry date on their contract. Full nationalisation of the airline was always on the cards, future aircraft orders were well advertised and cadets in the pipeline were also a known quantity. The fact is, or was, that we were exactly as you described, disposable temporary workers.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:01
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Expats in any industry in Singapore are used to manage supply and demand for workers. Need more widget makers due to an increase in orders, hire some expats if not enough locals applying. Not enough work anymore, lay off the expats as they are dearer.

Anyone wanting a long term career at SIA would have been well advised to join on local terms which would have given better job security in return for a lesser package. A 55 year old ex BA Captain with a pension could afford the risk of an expat contract as he'd probably only be looking at one renewal and it wouldn't be the end of the world if he didn't get it.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 20:41
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"After the way they treated Expats in the past why would anyone join?

People with 20+ years of service treated like disposable temporary workers."

Who cares if they'd been there for 20 years? If you want the expat contract you know you're out when you're not needed (been there done that). My friends who went for the local contract are still there. If you don't understand the basics of your employment contract you have a problem, don't blame the airline.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 01:29
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Can anyone Please provide what the salary/employment package is as an Expat & as a local ?!?
Pro's & Con's of the airline and what kind of rosters they run ?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 17:46
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Hi there all colleagues. I am also interested at F/O position at Singapore Airlines with 2500 hours flight experience at B737 NG. Already i am flying for a big airline but schedule and salary is real problem nowadays. I would like to have widebody experience and live in a more developed country to enhance my life vision and professionalism. Shortly, would like to hear from someone flying for Singapore about the conditions such as roster, crew relations and salary. Wish you all best.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 13:44
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Originally Posted by WwP View Post
Hi there all colleagues. I am also interested at F/O position at Singapore Airlines with 2500 hours flight experience at B737 NG. Already i am flying for a big airline but schedule and salary is real problem nowadays. I would like to have widebody experience and live in a more developed country to enhance my life vision and professionalism. Shortly, would like to hear from someone flying for Singapore about the conditions such as roster, crew relations and salary. Wish you all best.
Dont quite comprehend your concerns. You work in a big company and at the same time you want to live in a more developed country? Doesnt a big company comes from a developed country already, so to speak? Guess you need to ask why you wanna join Singapore airlines..?
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 13:53
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Dont quite comprehend your concerns. You work in a big company and at the same time you want to live in a more developed country? Doesnt a big company comes from a developed country already, so to speak? Guess you need to ask why you wanna join Singapore airlines..?

No, there are big companies from many parts of the world, like Brazil, Colombia, Panama, South Africa, India, Kenya, Russia, Vietnam, Turkey and so it goes... none of these countries are considered developed but have big airlines.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 14:52
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Dont quite comprehend your concerns. You work in a big company and at the same time you want to live in a more developed country? Doesnt a big company come from a developed country already, so to speak? Guess you need to ask why you wanna join Singapore airlines..?
I am just looking for better schedling and better payment. And better environment to live for some years. Thats why i am asking about singapore conditions. Already another friend answered the question about big airline and developed country . ıf you have experience with singapore, would appreciate the info.
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 15:40
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DEFO salary is on LOCAL terms. No housing or schooling allowance.

Works out to 6500 SGD per month take home. Excluding flying allowances.
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Rider737 View Post
DEFO salary is on LOCAL terms. No housing or schooling allowance.

Works out to 6500 SGD per month take home. Excluding flying allowances.
Correct me if Im wrong but even the LoCo's (Jetstar, Scoot) pay more than this?
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 00:44
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It will be about between 10-11k SGD for an FO.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 02:42
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A single person can live quite nicely on that and even save some money up. Married with children it will be a struggle as you won't have the expat benefits, such as housing and school fees but won't have citizen benefits such as purchasing government provided housing, low local school fees and subsidised hospitals either.

Time to command an issue as currently top heavy and merging with Silkair however currently losing pilots to China so conditions and/or upgrade time may improve.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...lobal-shortage

A good opportunity to join a leading airline if young and single. Apply for permanent residence after a couple of years which gives numerous benefits and is the gateway to citizenship and a grade A passport which could be of interest if currently holding a less desirable travel document.

Middle Eastern airlines have much better expat packages but don't offer a good living environment. This offer does look like a better option than joining Cathay though. Only you can decide what best suits your own circumstances.
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 07:21
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Originally Posted by etops777 View Post
It will be about between 10-11k SGD for an FO.
Funny how the tables have turned....Scoot FOs are now paid the same, if not more than their SQ counterparts and enjoying a decent lifestyle to boot.
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