European/US bases China Southern: a lie?
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UPDATE from unhappy 777 folks
Last update from CSA 777 guys Being promised a Euro base:
AMS Base will open when 6-8 guys are released on the line, BUT line training now is expected to last 4 to 6 months! So no base before Sept 15 at the earliest!
In the meantime the guys are stuck in CAN with 8 days off a month even if no flights rostered because of training bottleneck(so 6 nights home max after commuting), on training pay (400USD/day no overtime paid) And paying for food And accomodation ( around 2000USD/ month)...
Who said that slavery has been abolished? Certainly not in China guys!
In total count on about 1 full year to get what is advertised (money And roster)by agencies!
Sounds like it but it is not a joke, if you consider the job for the reverse scheduling out of Europe be very careful: agencies will not Tell you the truth.
If any positive change ever happens one day, I will duly report here.
Cheers
AMS Base will open when 6-8 guys are released on the line, BUT line training now is expected to last 4 to 6 months! So no base before Sept 15 at the earliest!
In the meantime the guys are stuck in CAN with 8 days off a month even if no flights rostered because of training bottleneck(so 6 nights home max after commuting), on training pay (400USD/day no overtime paid) And paying for food And accomodation ( around 2000USD/ month)...
Who said that slavery has been abolished? Certainly not in China guys!
In total count on about 1 full year to get what is advertised (money And roster)by agencies!
Sounds like it but it is not a joke, if you consider the job for the reverse scheduling out of Europe be very careful: agencies will not Tell you the truth.
If any positive change ever happens one day, I will duly report here.
Cheers
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In case anyone still cares....
Good news: Amsterdam "reverse roster" base opening Sept. 1 with 8 captains, expected to get to 25 captains within a year and will then be considered a Europe-wide 777 captain's reverse-roster base.
Bad news: all of the negative stuff about CSA in this thread is true. There's other stuff even worse, but I'm not going to get into it right now.
Bad news: all of the negative stuff about CSA in this thread is true. There's other stuff even worse, but I'm not going to get into it right now.
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YVR 787 Has been open since the beginning of June and has been operating as a RSP with 8 guys.
Under the new contract there are maximum time limits set for training pay - no longer can you get stuck on it for the year -
New contract also offers three options
RSP (if base is up and running)
CAN base 20/10 rotation that you can add 2 leave days per month and make it technically 12days minus commute to from
CMT commute roster min 8 days off guaranteed --- (not sure anyone would chose this one )
The former 45on 15 off is no longer available.
787 good flying not bad schedules - some overtime avail.
777 lots of cargo out of shanghai and deadheading to and from CAN to shanghai - giving you lots of delays and schedule unpredictability.
Under the new contract there are maximum time limits set for training pay - no longer can you get stuck on it for the year -
New contract also offers three options
RSP (if base is up and running)
CAN base 20/10 rotation that you can add 2 leave days per month and make it technically 12days minus commute to from
CMT commute roster min 8 days off guaranteed --- (not sure anyone would chose this one )
The former 45on 15 off is no longer available.
787 good flying not bad schedules - some overtime avail.
777 lots of cargo out of shanghai and deadheading to and from CAN to shanghai - giving you lots of delays and schedule unpredictability.
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Gammon
I believe it says it is the 45/15 that disappeared
The remaining other options are
RSP scheduled -
CAN base - 20/10 kk tickets to and from which you can add leave days (max twenty per year ) thus making 10/12 months 12days.
Commute with a min guarantee of 8 days off per month.
Theres a lot of **** there for sure and the sim fail to RHS is a issue that needs to be dealt with.
I believe it says it is the 45/15 that disappeared
The remaining other options are
RSP scheduled -
CAN base - 20/10 kk tickets to and from which you can add leave days (max twenty per year ) thus making 10/12 months 12days.
Commute with a min guarantee of 8 days off per month.
Theres a lot of **** there for sure and the sim fail to RHS is a issue that needs to be dealt with.
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Flaps,
I never suggested I was currently working there ...
I chat daily with guys both on the 77 and the 87
As for the modes argument - ....
FPs who chose mode CAN will be based at Guangzhou and shall be granted no less than 10 consecutive days off provided they meet the requirement of 5.2.14 (technically online after training) The 10 days off will include travel time. The Company shall arrange monthly leave for the RSP. (meaning kk tix)
this is basically the same as the 20/10 roster other than months where I guess there are 31days with an 80hr expectation - with additional leave days as per the leave section of the agreement which states....
type rated - starts there next month in which they obtain the type rating, starts to operate as captain, and or operates first mission. If these cannot be achieved in three calendar months, then annual/sick leave will commence in month 4.
non type rated - starts there next month in which they obtain the type rating, starts to operate as captain, and or operates first mission. If these cannot be achieved within 6 calendar months then annual/sick leave will commence in month 7.
for the remainder of the 1st year each the TR or NTR accrues 1 day leave per month after the time periods listed above
in the second year each pilot is given 20 leave days in total.
pilot maximum days off allowed to be scheduled when utilizing leave days is 15.
I could go into the other two options which basically are RSP and CMT but they only guarantee 8 days off each plus leave which includes commute time.
This is straight out of the draft contract copy that was in effect about a week ago -
Would that not constitute the 20/10 80 hr mode Im suggesting ?
I never suggested I was currently working there ...
I chat daily with guys both on the 77 and the 87
As for the modes argument - ....
FPs who chose mode CAN will be based at Guangzhou and shall be granted no less than 10 consecutive days off provided they meet the requirement of 5.2.14 (technically online after training) The 10 days off will include travel time. The Company shall arrange monthly leave for the RSP. (meaning kk tix)
this is basically the same as the 20/10 roster other than months where I guess there are 31days with an 80hr expectation - with additional leave days as per the leave section of the agreement which states....
type rated - starts there next month in which they obtain the type rating, starts to operate as captain, and or operates first mission. If these cannot be achieved in three calendar months, then annual/sick leave will commence in month 4.
non type rated - starts there next month in which they obtain the type rating, starts to operate as captain, and or operates first mission. If these cannot be achieved within 6 calendar months then annual/sick leave will commence in month 7.
for the remainder of the 1st year each the TR or NTR accrues 1 day leave per month after the time periods listed above
in the second year each pilot is given 20 leave days in total.
pilot maximum days off allowed to be scheduled when utilizing leave days is 15.
I could go into the other two options which basically are RSP and CMT but they only guarantee 8 days off each plus leave which includes commute time.
This is straight out of the draft contract copy that was in effect about a week ago -
Would that not constitute the 20/10 80 hr mode Im suggesting ?
