EXPAT fake with Jet Airways
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EXPAT fake with Jet Airways
Well I flew with an expat Captain recently who joined jet airways on the ATR. The amount of BS that came out of his mouth during the sectors made me think there is something about this joker so did some searching and found this thread from a few years ago.
It seems that this "captain" managed to go from almost 0 experience in 2008 to being a captain with Jet in 2010. That is a lot of work in two years.
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/2980...ld-you-do.html
Wonder if the DGCA will look into this or may it be that there will be far too many problems when an expat is found to be taking the Indians for a ride.
It is not furtunate that the links in the old thread are not loading.
It seems that this "captain" managed to go from almost 0 experience in 2008 to being a captain with Jet in 2010. That is a lot of work in two years.
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/2980...ld-you-do.html
Wonder if the DGCA will look into this or may it be that there will be far too many problems when an expat is found to be taking the Indians for a ride.
It is not furtunate that the links in the old thread are not loading.
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Before you jump the gun here do some research.. is the Pilot operating under a FAA license ? If so search the pilot database and check out the dates he/she got their licenses. You cant base your search on things a person says on a forum.
From how I got my fata it would actually be pretty hard to fake it, they were very very thorough with license validations , investigations and log book signoffs, they... the dgca also questioned me about my experience in my logbook.
From how I got my fata it would actually be pretty hard to fake it, they were very very thorough with license validations , investigations and log book signoffs, they... the dgca also questioned me about my experience in my logbook.
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Rajesh... your accusaions need to be backed up by undisputed substantiated proof rather than just acting on pure emotions. The FAA data base is quite accurate... bullet proof??? no... but pretty damn close to it. However be prepared and be a man by stepping up to the plate to pay for the consequences if your actions and accusations should they be false.
emb145gearslinger... IMO your diatrive is most unprofessional and clearly denotes your level of experience or lack thereof, your tolerance, and maturity... or again, lack thereof too.
Perhaps you should hang up the goggles so you will never have to listen to foreign accents over the airwaves
. I don't think you would be missed by the aviation community.
emb145gearslinger... IMO your diatrive is most unprofessional and clearly denotes your level of experience or lack thereof, your tolerance, and maturity... or again, lack thereof too.
Perhaps you should hang up the goggles so you will never have to listen to foreign accents over the airwaves
. I don't think you would be missed by the aviation community.
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Why dont you simply report it Rajesh to your flight ops manager and then let them check into it. Surely the DGCA will check into it right? why would it
be a problem or cause problem to do that?
be a problem or cause problem to do that?
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EMB,
My grand father gave me a very good lesson. He said "if you don't like something either leave it or fix it." And I think this lesson works perfect for you.
I did leave USA as I refused to work for Regionals for pennies. You are here in India for a reason, and I am sure it is your job and not the love for India. I worked in India and now I am in Vietnam and I know why I am here.
Again, if you don't like your ears bleeding may be it is time to go back; I hear all the regionals are hiring and they will pay you $18,000 a year, which is as close to poverty line as one can get. I also hear that FedEx, SWA, Jet Blue and US Airways is also hiring. I am sure you would love to cut your misery short and go work for them; but then again, you need someone to recommend you for a job and with attitude like yours no one in correct state of mind would.
Good luck with spreading your cheeks, I am sure your parents will be very proud and will show that edition to everyone they know; in the name of liberty and freedom.
Rajesh,
How do you know that that Joker faked his hours? From 2008-2011 it is possible to get your command. In IndiGo, I saw a lot of young pilots get their command in A320 in same amount of time. So, your theory based on time fails. It all depends on airlines' requirements, and they keep lowering their minimums to meet their requirements.
I am sure both Jet and DGCA had done enough digging around to let him fly in India. Unless you can come up with some solid proof I'd say you are just pissing in the wind and don't ask me what happens when you piss in the wind.
My grand father gave me a very good lesson. He said "if you don't like something either leave it or fix it." And I think this lesson works perfect for you.
I did leave USA as I refused to work for Regionals for pennies. You are here in India for a reason, and I am sure it is your job and not the love for India. I worked in India and now I am in Vietnam and I know why I am here.
Again, if you don't like your ears bleeding may be it is time to go back; I hear all the regionals are hiring and they will pay you $18,000 a year, which is as close to poverty line as one can get. I also hear that FedEx, SWA, Jet Blue and US Airways is also hiring. I am sure you would love to cut your misery short and go work for them; but then again, you need someone to recommend you for a job and with attitude like yours no one in correct state of mind would.
Good luck with spreading your cheeks, I am sure your parents will be very proud and will show that edition to everyone they know; in the name of liberty and freedom.
Rajesh,
How do you know that that Joker faked his hours? From 2008-2011 it is possible to get your command. In IndiGo, I saw a lot of young pilots get their command in A320 in same amount of time. So, your theory based on time fails. It all depends on airlines' requirements, and they keep lowering their minimums to meet their requirements.
I am sure both Jet and DGCA had done enough digging around to let him fly in India. Unless you can come up with some solid proof I'd say you are just pissing in the wind and don't ask me what happens when you piss in the wind.
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take it up with flt safety
Rajesh,
Seems like you might have something in this after all. I suggest you talk to your flight safety team , you have a line pilot/flight safety representative for each of the fleet. Talk to them about your concerns . Worst case, they check it out and you get egg on your face , but you can sleep easy .It's a tough call but it could be his knowledge , behavior , conduct,attitude gave you the red signal about his history.
There's nothing worse than sitting on your hands when you know something is amiss. I don't care if a faker is brown, white, yellow, black ...indian , pakistani, american or whatever...a faker needs to be caught, period.
All the best, masalama.
Seems like you might have something in this after all. I suggest you talk to your flight safety team , you have a line pilot/flight safety representative for each of the fleet. Talk to them about your concerns . Worst case, they check it out and you get egg on your face , but you can sleep easy .It's a tough call but it could be his knowledge , behavior , conduct,attitude gave you the red signal about his history.
There's nothing worse than sitting on your hands when you know something is amiss. I don't care if a faker is brown, white, yellow, black ...indian , pakistani, american or whatever...a faker needs to be caught, period.
All the best, masalama.
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@captjns
Do you work for jet airways........
@rajesh
If you are 100% sure this guy is a faker, then don't stop, we need to weed out all the fakers. Just make sure that you don't harm an innocent guy......
Do you work for jet airways........
@rajesh
If you are 100% sure this guy is a faker, then don't stop, we need to weed out all the fakers. Just make sure that you don't harm an innocent guy......
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Amazing!!! a fake piloy flying in India for more that two thousand hours can pass line check after line check as well as IR/LR year after year and you continue to pass him and he is not qualified? I am worried about the level of skill of the typical indian pilot if untrained guys are skilled enough to hold command.
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reply :fake expat.
Sunset contrails wrote:
Yes , Sunset , maybe you're right, we need to ground all expats to check their antecedents .We might have been a little too lenient on their IR/LR's , and start checking on their skills to hold command .....ok sarcastic comment over.
cmon buddy , don't throw your toys around , fake pilots, irrespective of their nationality need to dealt with strongly, it's just the way things are now. It seems to be the "in" thing now, pilots using shortcuts to get the airline job. Airlines, DGCA , trainers need to be on the lookout for these fakes , whether they are Indian, pakistani, australian , american ...u get the picture, right???
masalama.
Amazing!!! a fake piloy flying in India for more that two thousand hours can pass line check after line check as well as IR/LR year after year and you continue to pass him and he is not qualified? I am worried about the level of skill of the typical indian pilot if untrained guys are skilled enough to hold command.
cmon buddy , don't throw your toys around , fake pilots, irrespective of their nationality need to dealt with strongly, it's just the way things are now. It seems to be the "in" thing now, pilots using shortcuts to get the airline job. Airlines, DGCA , trainers need to be on the lookout for these fakes , whether they are Indian, pakistani, australian , american ...u get the picture, right???
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same MO
Sometime ago on a thread about KAL, I posted some info about KAL recruitment team not exercising due care in recruiting a number of fakers. A few ppruners tried shouting me down with threats , innuendos and abuse. Looks like some of them have resurfaced on this thread! Some of those fakers had supposedly " authentic " credentials from some EU operators!
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Fakers
No Place in the World fakes and sells Licenses more than India. The FAA does not fake anything but an individual may do so therefore do not drag the FAA into these matters. I am proud to have an FAA certificate which I know cannot be bought from anyone inside the FAA. I have met Indian Pilots who have told me stories of the corruption within their DGCA. The USA and other countries should be wary of fake Pilots flying planes from India into their Airspace each day.
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Gotta tell ya Jonnyringo… I’ve heard some pretty interesting tales, not only from your Island of Jamaica, Trinidad, Tobago, some South and Latin American Countries about the issuances of airman certificates under suspicious means. Further Indonesia is no stranger to bribes either. The reason you don’t hear about Indonesia so much as they’re black listed from the west with the exception of Amsterdam.
Anyway Johnny… let’s take an individual with an newly issued FAA ATP certificate. Let’s assume that the individual logged a bunch of P-51 time in order to reach that magical 1,500 hour mark so they can obtain their ATP certificate. Let’s further assume that same individual was able to secure a job with a major carrier under those false pretenses. Whilst on the surface they have a valid ATP certificate, but it is one that was earned under legitimate means? If the FAA were to find out that the time in that individual’s logbook was false… do you think the FAA would initiate certificate action against that person? Thus would you agree that that person with a valid FAA certificate issued under false pretenses should be labeled a “Faker”? Well it’s a problem that goes on all over the world with no system for checks and balances in place to ensure the legitimacy of flight times in one’s logbook.
In recent days there’s been an lad from Australia, found to have questionable credentials, and has fled India to avoid criminal prosecution. Is he any better than an Indian, Chinese, American or any other despot risking the lives of their passengers whilst flying under fraudulent pretenses?
Oh and there was a group of Chinese pilots who falsified their times to maintain acquire and maintain their certificates too.
Would you agree that it a bit naïve, biased, prejudicial and borderline racism for one to think that India is solely the centre of fake airmen certificates?
At the end of the day, IMHO, I think that fraudulent logbook entries are a more serious problem than bribing one’s local DGCA.
Anyway Johnny… let’s take an individual with an newly issued FAA ATP certificate. Let’s assume that the individual logged a bunch of P-51 time in order to reach that magical 1,500 hour mark so they can obtain their ATP certificate. Let’s further assume that same individual was able to secure a job with a major carrier under those false pretenses. Whilst on the surface they have a valid ATP certificate, but it is one that was earned under legitimate means? If the FAA were to find out that the time in that individual’s logbook was false… do you think the FAA would initiate certificate action against that person? Thus would you agree that that person with a valid FAA certificate issued under false pretenses should be labeled a “Faker”? Well it’s a problem that goes on all over the world with no system for checks and balances in place to ensure the legitimacy of flight times in one’s logbook.
In recent days there’s been an lad from Australia, found to have questionable credentials, and has fled India to avoid criminal prosecution. Is he any better than an Indian, Chinese, American or any other despot risking the lives of their passengers whilst flying under fraudulent pretenses?
Oh and there was a group of Chinese pilots who falsified their times to maintain acquire and maintain their certificates too.
Would you agree that it a bit naïve, biased, prejudicial and borderline racism for one to think that India is solely the centre of fake airmen certificates?
At the end of the day, IMHO, I think that fraudulent logbook entries are a more serious problem than bribing one’s local DGCA.
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captjns, I am all for debate, but your logic isnt logical in your argument "Let’s assume that the individual logged a bunch of P-51 time in order to reach that magical 1,500 hour mark so they can obtain their ATP certificate."
How can that make the ATP of this imaginary pilot fake or not valid... maybe I am missing something (he/she might be a rich kid whos dad bought them a restored p51 to get th 1500hrs for all you know)
How can that make the ATP of this imaginary pilot fake or not valid... maybe I am missing something (he/she might be a rich kid whos dad bought them a restored p51 to get th 1500hrs for all you know)
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Yeah Isbrokenagain.. you may be missing something.
There ain’’t nobody that woud rent out a Mustang for joy boring holes in the sky. The term P-51 time is what we in the US call Parker Pen time…. In other words fictitious log book time.
There ain’’t nobody that woud rent out a Mustang for joy boring holes in the sky. The term P-51 time is what we in the US call Parker Pen time…. In other words fictitious log book time.
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Shows my ignorance, 40+ years on the planet and US citizen and never heard it called p-51 time. Learn something new every day! Actually never met anyone who has done this ...
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Fakers of all nationalities proliferate in this industry. Where most of them turn up is in those jurisdictions where they believe they have the best chance of success and the least chance of genuine scrutiny.
Some years ago I applied for a contract through a NZ based agency, and frankly they didn't give a damn whether what I presented them was for real or not - their only interest was to fill the 'slot' and pull their commission. About 3 or 4 pilots were exposed during that contract for fraudulent misrepresentation of either experience or qualifications. It's a fact of life - challenge them through your CAA or company and name them ..... sooner or later they will be exposed.
Some years ago I applied for a contract through a NZ based agency, and frankly they didn't give a damn whether what I presented them was for real or not - their only interest was to fill the 'slot' and pull their commission. About 3 or 4 pilots were exposed during that contract for fraudulent misrepresentation of either experience or qualifications. It's a fact of life - challenge them through your CAA or company and name them ..... sooner or later they will be exposed.