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I saw somewhere that they plan to fly to India.
Get used to night turnarounds for 1000 hours/year which is what the CAAS allow, for about SGD15k/month after tax, IF you fly. This is based on the existing SQ mainline local package which does not provide housing or schooling.
Sounds good? Think again.
Add to this the cost of living in Singapore.
If you have a family you will pay about 5k/month for a 1500sf flat if you want something reasonably nice (yes, HDB anywhere is cheaper but no facilities).
You will pay at least 2k/month per child for an international school (that's EVERY month throughout the year not just when school is in session). As an example the Australian International middle school fee is about 22k/year. But you need to cough up a registration and infrastructure fee totaling 6k/child. I believe Tanglin Trust (British school) is roughly the same.
Now you haven't even eaten or gone anywhere yet.
If you have more than two kids, forget about entertainment or nice restaurants. Get ready for dinner at your local hawker (which is actually pretty good) or to cook at home. Nothing wrong with that, but be prepared for Singaporean supermarket prices.
Buy a car? Save for retirement? Forget it. You are already out of pocket for your 50% share of the 777 rating, school registration and two months rental deposit (plus one in advance). Getting started will cost you dearly.
Singapore is VERY expensive, and this will be a grossly substandard package for anybody who's not single. Let supply and demand sort this one out before you make a mistake you will regret.
Get used to night turnarounds for 1000 hours/year which is what the CAAS allow, for about SGD15k/month after tax, IF you fly. This is based on the existing SQ mainline local package which does not provide housing or schooling.
Sounds good? Think again.
Add to this the cost of living in Singapore.
If you have a family you will pay about 5k/month for a 1500sf flat if you want something reasonably nice (yes, HDB anywhere is cheaper but no facilities).
You will pay at least 2k/month per child for an international school (that's EVERY month throughout the year not just when school is in session). As an example the Australian International middle school fee is about 22k/year. But you need to cough up a registration and infrastructure fee totaling 6k/child. I believe Tanglin Trust (British school) is roughly the same.
Now you haven't even eaten or gone anywhere yet.
If you have more than two kids, forget about entertainment or nice restaurants. Get ready for dinner at your local hawker (which is actually pretty good) or to cook at home. Nothing wrong with that, but be prepared for Singaporean supermarket prices.
Buy a car? Save for retirement? Forget it. You are already out of pocket for your 50% share of the 777 rating, school registration and two months rental deposit (plus one in advance). Getting started will cost you dearly.
Singapore is VERY expensive, and this will be a grossly substandard package for anybody who's not single. Let supply and demand sort this one out before you make a mistake you will regret.
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Of course the bee line has been formed. Guys like me send in an application to see what the T & C's are. If they're as low as you and others make out, then I'll simply say NO! As will a lot of others in "the line".
If these guys don't put a figure on the table, there will be loads of people who want to have a nosy. That being said, I am referring to type rated guys.
If these guys don't put a figure on the table, there will be loads of people who want to have a nosy. That being said, I am referring to type rated guys.
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Easy to see what's happening here. They haven't decided on the T&C yet. Depending on how many qualified and desperate applicants they get they will present an offer that they think they can get away with.
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Agreed , just because they have a stream of applicants does not mean all will take the job. As the T&C,s have not been published as of yet. I suspect many might well take a look see and decline if not satisfactory.
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if anybody needs to know the working and living conditions in sq just ask any x sq expat and they will tell you how its like
sq has been one of the pioneers in aviation in several areas and not all of them shining examples of good management; pilot benefits and exploitation of contracts to name a few though the second one is a different story depending whether you talk to management or pilot
so based on past practices you can expect them to pay the minimum that they could get away with which is minimum pay for maximum return if they can get away with it. a lot of people here are saying that they wont go but rest assured they WILL be takers where ever from, and sq will take them in because as far as management is concerned the planes fly. it may not be as simple as that but basically thats how it is
sq has been one of the pioneers in aviation in several areas and not all of them shining examples of good management; pilot benefits and exploitation of contracts to name a few though the second one is a different story depending whether you talk to management or pilot
so based on past practices you can expect them to pay the minimum that they could get away with which is minimum pay for maximum return if they can get away with it. a lot of people here are saying that they wont go but rest assured they WILL be takers where ever from, and sq will take them in because as far as management is concerned the planes fly. it may not be as simple as that but basically thats how it is
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Regarding the T & Cs. Logically, they will be at best SQ mainline local terms. I say at best, because the benchmark in Singapore nowadays is the substandard, bare-bones, scrape-the-bottom-of-the-barrel deal offered by Tiger.
Also, for any employment in Singapore, a dictionary is useful:
'at company's discretion' = you won't get it
'reviewed on annual basis' = less than last year
'generous' = crap
'subsidised' = crap
'discounted' = crap
Also, for any employment in Singapore, a dictionary is useful:
'at company's discretion' = you won't get it
'reviewed on annual basis' = less than last year
'generous' = crap
'subsidised' = crap
'discounted' = crap
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I doubt it will be 22k for Capt and 16k for FO. It would be more or less around 16k-18k for Capt ( depending on the hours flown), and around 10-12k for FO.
I doubt it will be 22k for Capt and 16k for FO. It would be more or less around 16k-18k for Capt ( depending on the hours flown), and around 10-12k for FO.