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More captains busted !
2 more captains who fakes their papers got busted by the DGCA . now what the hell is going on in india ?????????? 
here's the link :
Two more pilots land in trouble for fake licences - The Times of India
here's the link :
Two more pilots land in trouble for fake licences - The Times of India
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Was just about to post a link...........
Commercial pilot arrested for forging marksheet - India News - IBNLive
The bigger question is - how is the DGCA going to find the kids who faked the hours in their logbooks, whilst doing their flying abroad?
Commercial pilot arrested for forging marksheet - India News - IBNLive
The bigger question is - how is the DGCA going to find the kids who faked the hours in their logbooks, whilst doing their flying abroad?
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The DGCA must really go to South Korea and teach the KCASA or MLTM something about busting fakers with dodgy credentials; from what I heard, plenty of fakers but the Koreans do not want to " lose face " about the rest of the world knowing about the incompetence in detecting fakers!
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For whatever reason they faked their exam results etc.... it was not worth it. It's good that the DGCA is going after this hard and hope the corruption within is also exposed and rooted out.
Also, making the ATPL/RT exams the way they are now is ridiculous. We all have heard of where candidates have failed their R/T oral exam on questions like frequency of tube light etc.... it's time to standardize and make the examination process more transparent, presently the system is prone to corruption and the quicker they realize this the better for the system.
I think we can brace for a few more of these to surface in the near future.....lessons for the new generation of Indian pilots.
masalama.
Also, making the ATPL/RT exams the way they are now is ridiculous. We all have heard of where candidates have failed their R/T oral exam on questions like frequency of tube light etc.... it's time to standardize and make the examination process more transparent, presently the system is prone to corruption and the quicker they realize this the better for the system.
I think we can brace for a few more of these to surface in the near future.....lessons for the new generation of Indian pilots.
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99% of the DGCA Staff Don't know a Thing About Flying
Most of the DGCA staff don't know a thing about flying. I think they are just as scared of the on-going Police investigation- Some will get busted for cheating.
In fact more of them need to be put in the dock for harassing all genuine cases. All this while the Fakes have ruled the roost.
In fact more of them need to be put in the dock for harassing all genuine cases. All this while the Fakes have ruled the roost.
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Insider news says that enquiry done today entire day in DGCA reports have come out that 15 more fake ATPL licenses have been detected...should be out in news papers in a day or two....
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Not sure I agree with you there as a B777 F/O who I used to fly with in my old company had the cheek to join SQ as a B777 Captain until he was spotted by other Captains during ground school and blow me down he had the nerve to join Korean as a B777 Captain until he was spotted by other Captains there. He was booted out by Korean.I was amazed at how he thought he would get away with it as he must have known that several of us had joined SQ and KAL it being a small company that we had come from.
Not sure I agree with you there as a B777 F/O who I used to fly with in my old company had the cheek to join SQ as a B777 Captain until he was spotted by other Captains during ground school and blow me down he had the nerve to join Korean as a B777 Captain until he was spotted by other Captains there. He was booted out by Korean.I was amazed at how he thought he would get away with it as he must have known that several of us had joined SQ and KAL it being a small company that we had come from.
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its very simple, all holders of Indian licences, should be banned from flying internationally until this fiasco is sorted out. let them kill their own people domestically.
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KAL_Aviator...wow, high sounding title. Some compliments to you. It must have hit you right in the gut.
KAL had managed to nab a paltry few, but many went through the hoops. Old timers would remember the billy freely who was later terminated for other reasons; devon doll the kenyan, tom piercy and a whole lot of riff raffs. We might just be able to add one more today!
KAL had managed to nab a paltry few, but many went through the hoops. Old timers would remember the billy freely who was later terminated for other reasons; devon doll the kenyan, tom piercy and a whole lot of riff raffs. We might just be able to add one more today!
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I will throw my two cents in...gerago is right on the money. Some years ago, someone did approach KAL flight admin about their misgivings about devon doll, billy freely ( as gerago calls them ), ricky johsi but the Koreans brushed him off. ricky somehow knew about this, hit the panic button and bailed out. The others knew the Koreans too well about not losing face and stayed put, reaping another few bonus years of bumper salaries before they were terminated for other reasons. There are many more but they have mates willing to testify on their behalf lending doubts which help the Koreans in not " losing face ".
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indian pilots r gud system is bad
indian pilots are gud, take my word for it. only the system is bad. in a corrupt administration dominated system the honest professional is left with no chance. seeing themselves left behind they are forced to join the 'fakes' bandwagon.
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Perhaps you are referring to some ex SAA who were Captains on types other than B744 but had it on their licence as F/O but got command direct on the B744 as KAL assumed they were B744 Captains? I met one of those in the Seoul Pub a few years back as I was on a double crew with an ex SAA Captain in SQ when we met this character.
Perhaps you are referring to some ex SAA who were Captains on types other than B744 but had it on their licence as F/O but got command direct on the B744 as KAL assumed they were B744 Captains? I met one of those in the Seoul Pub a few years back as I was on a double crew with an ex SAA Captain in SQ when we met this character.
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action needed as per RDR court ...
rdr said
Wow, while we're at it rdr why dont we just arrest and jail all Indian pilots and parade them through the slums of mumbai in chains until the fake ones can be seperated from the genuine , very simple right? Oh sorry, that's the simple justice meted out in Singapore , guilty until proven innocent???
Nxt time rdr , let the hangover subside before posting, it'll help .
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its very simple, all holders of Indian licences, should be banned from flying internationally until this fiasco is sorted out. let them kill their own people domestically.
Nxt time rdr , let the hangover subside before posting, it'll help .
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How many pax are at risk at this very moment? Does the DGCA know how many fakes are out there? How do we protect the pax? Ans: thousands,have no clue, ground all carriers in question until its sorted
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rdr is right on this one. In India, for their passengers safety, they are grounding all unfit expats.
Indian crews should only be allowed to operate within Indian airspace to protect all other counties passengers and citizens.
They have already proved in Mangalore that an experienced Indian First Officer couldn't prevent a tragedy with an incompacitated Commander at the controls. Now you have fake Commanders at the controls?
rdr is right on this one. In India, for their passengers safety, they are grounding all unfit expats.
Indian crews should only be allowed to operate within Indian airspace to protect all other counties passengers and citizens.
They have already proved in Mangalore that an experienced Indian First Officer couldn't prevent a tragedy with an incompacitated Commander at the controls. Now you have fake Commanders at the controls?
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you are quite correct but it's quite a long story with those SAA characters. Besides the SAA guys, KAL also had quite a number of fakers. KAL pilot training is basically " cook book " style and if the fakers memorise all the " recipes " and rehearse those seemingly endless callouts ( more to impress rather than anything of substance ), wallah they sail through the OE training. Throw in lots of " yes sirs " and survivor tips from conniving fellow expats, they probably sail through comfortably.
Other than the B744 fleet, many of the Alteon checkers on the simulators had never physically flown the planes they are training/checking on. Some have not been with any major carriers; they got into Alteon through dodgy recommendations, good luck joining at the right time and good playacting in the box. Hence many had real difficulty spotting the fakers in the sim training phase. Once let loose on OE, many fakers cleared through the hoops easily flying cook book style. Their deficiencies only show up once they are paired in a 3 man crew schedule where they roster 2 captains and 1 F/O whereby the everyday demands of real life flight operations slowly peel off their masquerade.
Of course there are excellent type rated instructors who had physically flown the planes they are instructing on and a precious few who still do great job despite not having flown on type. However fakers still slip through on account of those sloppy ones.
you are quite correct but it's quite a long story with those SAA characters. Besides the SAA guys, KAL also had quite a number of fakers. KAL pilot training is basically " cook book " style and if the fakers memorise all the " recipes " and rehearse those seemingly endless callouts ( more to impress rather than anything of substance ), wallah they sail through the OE training. Throw in lots of " yes sirs " and survivor tips from conniving fellow expats, they probably sail through comfortably.
Other than the B744 fleet, many of the Alteon checkers on the simulators had never physically flown the planes they are training/checking on. Some have not been with any major carriers; they got into Alteon through dodgy recommendations, good luck joining at the right time and good playacting in the box. Hence many had real difficulty spotting the fakers in the sim training phase. Once let loose on OE, many fakers cleared through the hoops easily flying cook book style. Their deficiencies only show up once they are paired in a 3 man crew schedule where they roster 2 captains and 1 F/O whereby the everyday demands of real life flight operations slowly peel off their masquerade.
Of course there are excellent type rated instructors who had physically flown the planes they are instructing on and a precious few who still do great job despite not having flown on type. However fakers still slip through on account of those sloppy ones.
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Look, Sunset.....I'm all for ensuring the fakers get the treatment they deserve , which as is known is arrest and criminal cases being slapped on them. But a good majority of us have worked hard to get where we are now.
Let us not generalize and paint all Indian pilots as fakers...the bad apples need to be dealt with strongly and swiftly .They have not only let themselves down but the country as a whole.
As far as the mangalore crash, am I missing something, is the final report out?? Was the pilot incapacitated????? Please correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is the reports are snippets leaked by the media and not the final accident Investigation report ...I dont think it's appropriate at this time to debate on media hearsay......
take care, fly safe , masalama.
Indian crews should only be allowed to operate within Indian airspace to protect all other counties passengers and citizens.
They have already proved in Mangalore that an experienced Indian First Officer couldn't prevent a tragedy with an incompacitated Commander at the controls. Now you have fake Commanders at the controls?
They have already proved in Mangalore that an experienced Indian First Officer couldn't prevent a tragedy with an incompacitated Commander at the controls. Now you have fake Commanders at the controls?
Let us not generalize and paint all Indian pilots as fakers...the bad apples need to be dealt with strongly and swiftly .They have not only let themselves down but the country as a whole.
As far as the mangalore crash, am I missing something, is the final report out?? Was the pilot incapacitated????? Please correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is the reports are snippets leaked by the media and not the final accident Investigation report ...I dont think it's appropriate at this time to debate on media hearsay......
take care, fly safe , masalama.