Now Lion Air wants to make money out of jobless pilots from India
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I THINK my message has gone through... no more CAPTAIN 200hrs have been sending CV...to company. for now... probably gone to call center.
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Hello all!!
After reading some of the posts on this thread I feel I need to put my two cents in. Initially I came here to see if I could get some info on Lion Air, but that hasn't happened!! @jetjocky, it's not really the fault of the young Indian guys putting Capt before their names. In India pretty much anyone with a pilot's license is called Capt!! I'm Indian, work in India, and think it's incredibly stupid!!! However that's all some of these guys know.
As for the Pay To Fly program...well, I personally think that it is really bad for the industry. Having the money doesn't make one a competent pilot, and there are heaps of good pilots out there that should be in the right seat because they can actually handle a heavy jet!! Flying a 737 is no joke. However, I do understand the need to get to the right seat of a big shiney 737. Still there are other jobs on the market that don't demand you paying 25 or 35 lacs, or whatever it is. Fly a caravan or twin otter, or the likes. Get your hours up and have a blast flying those machines!! The jet jobs will come your way.
Good luck to all of you!! Cheers
After reading some of the posts on this thread I feel I need to put my two cents in. Initially I came here to see if I could get some info on Lion Air, but that hasn't happened!! @jetjocky, it's not really the fault of the young Indian guys putting Capt before their names. In India pretty much anyone with a pilot's license is called Capt!! I'm Indian, work in India, and think it's incredibly stupid!!! However that's all some of these guys know.
As for the Pay To Fly program...well, I personally think that it is really bad for the industry. Having the money doesn't make one a competent pilot, and there are heaps of good pilots out there that should be in the right seat because they can actually handle a heavy jet!! Flying a 737 is no joke. However, I do understand the need to get to the right seat of a big shiney 737. Still there are other jobs on the market that don't demand you paying 25 or 35 lacs, or whatever it is. Fly a caravan or twin otter, or the likes. Get your hours up and have a blast flying those machines!! The jet jobs will come your way.
Good luck to all of you!! Cheers
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Would you be kind enough to provide me with numbers or the addresses of the people who are willing to hire CPL holders without refrence for 'caravans or other twins' ?
I don't know how does everyone in India become an expert in giving advices. Have you ever tried knocking on the doors of these charters? If you would have actually done that yourself, you would really know what you're talking about.
I'm not defending P2F, not at all. But those whose who are paying 25-30 lakhs aren't idiot either. They have cleared the same checks that you or I have. It all comes down to how and when you can grab an opportunity.
Be first, be fast. That's how it works here.
Would you be kind enough to provide me with numbers or the addresses of the people who are willing to hire CPL holders without refrence for 'caravans or other twins' ?
I don't know how does everyone in India become an expert in giving advices. Have you ever tried knocking on the doors of these charters? If you would have actually done that yourself, you would really know what you're talking about.
I'm not defending P2F, not at all. But those whose who are paying 25-30 lakhs aren't idiot either. They have cleared the same checks that you or I have. It all comes down to how and when you can grab an opportunity.
Be first, be fast. That's how it works here.
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Saab Capt when you think about becoming a pilot in any country, do you think just by getting your CPL it gives the right to demand a job flying straight away, or do you do some due diligence to work out your career path, Plus its supply and demand, in India what I read to many Cpls not enough jobs,so you answer your own question. Same as becoming a Doctor and Lawyer. You just dont wake up in the middle of the night and say I want to become a doctor or lawyer and the next day doors will just open for you, its all about hard work.
There is plenty of jobs out there say Africa for one example, as alot of expats have down that path and got of there arses done the home work and traveled to these places, I wouldnt say all have got jobs but you have to right place right time Aviation Industry is like that.
I agree these pay to fly jobs are just pulling Pilots wages down down down, I remember not that long ago Pilots were paid more than Lawyers and Doctors, Now pilots are prostituting them selves by paying for a job but thats another war all ready fought in this forum.
Think twice before you start your career in aviation as its all about disappoints and little success. If I can could turn back time I would have stayed in school and maybe done something else
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There is plenty of jobs out there say Africa for one example, as alot of expats have down that path and got of there arses done the home work and traveled to these places, I wouldnt say all have got jobs but you have to right place right time Aviation Industry is like that.
I agree these pay to fly jobs are just pulling Pilots wages down down down, I remember not that long ago Pilots were paid more than Lawyers and Doctors, Now pilots are prostituting them selves by paying for a job but thats another war all ready fought in this forum.
Think twice before you start your career in aviation as its all about disappoints and little success. If I can could turn back time I would have stayed in school and maybe done something else
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@saabcapt don't know how you're such an expert on where I'm employed, or where I was employed before!! I'm not saying it's easy getting a job, but if you look around you'll find them. As nostep says, go look in Africa...heaps of jobs out there for low hour guys. Great flying experience too!! Check out Susi Air in Indonesia. At least you're not paying that huge amount of money. Corporate jobs in India as well. And @ saabcapt don't be so quick to judge, trying to be of some help here, but you seem to know it all anyway!!
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A number of missionaries are looking for pilots too. They build their time the legitimate way... not prostituting themselves and keeping the bar low. Imagine a world whew there were no P2F children around. Carriers would be forced to pay a wage to those qualified for the job.
But unfortunately self gratification seems to win out.
But unfortunately self gratification seems to win out.
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KNOTS
Can you send my email to your friend to tell us more about knots aviation?
[email protected]
i'm planing to get in the second batch so, I need some feedback
thanks for considering
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i'm planing to get in the second batch so, I need some feedback
thanks for considering
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All people hear is how you young guys with brand new CPL's think everyone owes you a life , owes you a job , it's YOUR right , demand everyone calls you CAPTAIN with 200-300hours , when will you spoilt brats learn , when will you realize there are other countries with the same unemployed CPL holders not only you in India . Are you guys so damm good ? Think again , why are most of you failing the BASIC simulator checks ? Then complaining the sim standards are too high or is it because of your low standards , get a life guys and face reality , look in the mirror and see exactly who and what you are before making unnecessary comments on the site , just makes you all sound like real immature spoilt brats , get a life first then grow up and maybe you'll have a chance , maybe
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MSD AVIATION WRITTEN TEST
I got a call from Glorietta aviation regarding written exams for LION AIR NON TYPE RATED PROGRAM FOR 737 to be held in Delhi.....I wanted seek info from any pilots who have appeared for the written exams which include aptitude,simulator tests etc.....like what kinda of questions will be asked and where should i refer and which books should i refer...any help will be appreciated....thanx
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Hey PanAm.. where are you from?
That could have been fun. Did you go to Africa for that?
I tried Africa job on Caravan too: answer get a TR for caravan. Don't know about TR but got training in Wichita at FSI. Then, no answer anymore.
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I couldn't dig up the other thread on MSD from a few weeks ago. ah well. Continue in this one then.
Latest rumours *confirmed kinda* are that all Indian pilots via MSD Aviation are grounded in Jakarta and under investigation by Lion Air and the Indo-Government. Any details? Fake licences are word of mouth around here....
Kush Bhasin not flying anymore? Need to sell the apt he bought for his local girl?
(and yes, his name can be mentioned, since this guy needs his name out in the limelight for a reason)
Latest rumours *confirmed kinda* are that all Indian pilots via MSD Aviation are grounded in Jakarta and under investigation by Lion Air and the Indo-Government. Any details? Fake licences are word of mouth around here....
Kush Bhasin not flying anymore? Need to sell the apt he bought for his local girl?
(and yes, his name can be mentioned, since this guy needs his name out in the limelight for a reason)
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Kush Bhasin (and yes, his name can be mentioned, since this guy needs his name out in the limelight for a reason)
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Just asked my local source and yeb Kush is still flying {indo licence) his new CRV parked underneath work supplied apartment and yes he enjoyed his trip to London with his GF in Dec and Jan ( thanks for working hard guys) 
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Real face of MSD Aviation
Those who are interested in joining the Lion Air program through MSD Aviation,
Well MSD aviation recruits pilots who holds a valid CPL multi-IR for a type-rating and a job placement in Lion Air , The executive director Mr. Siddharth Kasana and Director operations Mr Kush Bhasin operates the company operations in New Delhi and Jakarta, Indonesia . MSD aviation have placed around 90 pilots in lion air till now , both the directors are completely money minded they just want their monthly share in their hands for that they will issue forged Noc's which were never issued from the Indian DGCA & when you submit your documents for the renewal of IR rating they would tempered your license without letting you know about any sort of bull**** that they did on it ,they will make an entry on your logbook as a sim check & they would even make a fake sim check report and all that bull**** gets submitted in DGCA and by the time the applicant comes to DGCA to asked about his license , he gets all sort of bull**** in his file , the fake sim check reports , fake Noc's , fake logbook entry's , Since its a MSD'S policy in which they states that they will do all the documentation work related to DGCA the pilots working for the company gets their IR renewed with a fake sim check reports and MSD has paid a good amount of bribe in DGCA to get the things done without any verifications.
MSD aviation states that Lion Training Centre is a TRTO and of course everything can happen in a place like India where you just have to pay good amount of money to get the things done
Lion training centre isn't a TRTO so therefore even if a pilot does a sim check on those sims which ar placed in LTC even then also it won't count for IR renewal & the pilot who recently crashed an aircraft in Bali is an Indian , who flew for months on a fake NOC which was never issued by the DGCA and apparently the pilot doesn't even know from where did he did his last sim check for the purpose of IR renewal because he submitted his licenses to MSD aviation and Mr siddharth Kasana & Mr. Loveraj Singh made forged sim check reports under the knowledge of these pilots , few of them who were against all this forgery has already logged a complaint against MSD aviation soon there will be CBI knocking the DGCA doors again , they have also tempered a license of one of the pilots who was working for their company when the pilot came to India and visited the DGCA , he got to know his file has been lost , In the end he got to know that the training documents of B737 which were directly send to MSD aviation from the TRTO for the purpose of B737 endorsement were never submitted to DGCA in fact Mr siddharth kasana tempered his license, the pilot has already logged a complain and ending this matter by filing a court case against (MSD Aviation Mr. Siddharth kasana, loveraj Singh , Kush bhasin)in Delhi Court
MSD aviation did this because they're earning 2000$/month from each pilots salary, somewhere about 90 pilots are currently placed by MSD aviation,
That comes out to be around 1,80,000$/month which further comes to be around 1crore INR/month and that's nothing because they are charging 50,000$ for type-rating of B737 which actually costs around 20-25k , so the rest 25k is charged for the conversion of CPL into Indonesian CPL and all those fake promises which ar still pending since 2011 , they have sent around 10 batches till now ,
So they is earning around minimum 3,00,000$/month ,
So if a pilots sits in Jakarta doesn't fly for lion air because of his expired IR then there is a problem for MSD since MSD have leased out these pilots to lion and lion can only complaint to MSD about it , MSD therefore created fake sim check reports followed by bribe to DGCA officers who approves a renewal of IR without doing any verifications and if lion wants to discontinue the contract with MSD aviation because of the pilots who weren't flying then who will lose 3,00,000$/month
I hope you all are smart enough
Well guys don't go through MSD aviation it doesn't matter in which ever airline he's placing you , don't go for it because at the end of the day it's not worth it
The criminal case proceeding will take place in few months , in which they will be prove guilty , apparently Mr Kush bhasin is so scared of the court case that he refused to be a part of MSD
But Mr sk thinks he is the smartest person living on the planet earth
In past few years he has already been involved in criminal activities
he's doesn't know how to get out of this one , from past 4 months he hasn't paid any salaries to pilots working under him. Is That what you pay for?
Well MSD aviation recruits pilots who holds a valid CPL multi-IR for a type-rating and a job placement in Lion Air , The executive director Mr. Siddharth Kasana and Director operations Mr Kush Bhasin operates the company operations in New Delhi and Jakarta, Indonesia . MSD aviation have placed around 90 pilots in lion air till now , both the directors are completely money minded
they just want their monthly share in their hands for that they will issue forged Noc's which were never issued from the Indian DGCA & when you submit your documents for the renewal of IR rating they would tempered your license without letting you know about any sort of bull**** that they did on it ,they will make an entry on your logbook as a sim check & they would even make a fake sim check report and all that bull**** gets submitted in DGCA and by the time the applicant comes to DGCA to asked about his license , he gets all sort of bull**** in his file , the fake sim check reports , fake Noc's , fake logbook entry's , Since its a MSD'S policy in which they states that they will do all the documentation work related to DGCA the pilots working for the company gets their IR renewed with a fake sim check reports and MSD has paid a good amount of bribe in DGCA to get the things done without any verifications. MSD aviation states that Lion Training Centre is a TRTO and of course everything can happen in a place like India where you just have to pay good amount of money to get the things done
Lion training centre isn't a TRTO so therefore even if a pilot does a sim check on those sims which ar placed in LTC even then also it won't count for IR renewal & the pilot who recently crashed an aircraft in Bali is an Indian , who flew for months on a fake NOC which was never issued by the DGCA and apparently the pilot doesn't even know from where did he did his last sim check for the purpose of IR renewal because he submitted his licenses to MSD aviation and Mr siddharth Kasana & Mr. Loveraj Singh made forged sim check reports under the knowledge of these pilots , few of them who were against all this forgery has already logged a complaint against MSD aviation soon there will be CBI knocking the DGCA doors again , they have also tempered a license of one of the pilots who was working for their company when the pilot came to India and visited the DGCA , he got to know his file has been lost , In the end he got to know that the training documents of B737 which were directly send to MSD aviation from the TRTO for the purpose of B737 endorsement were never submitted to DGCA in fact Mr siddharth kasana tempered his license, the pilot has already logged a complain and ending this matter by filing a court case against (MSD Aviation Mr. Siddharth kasana, loveraj Singh , Kush bhasin)in Delhi Court
MSD aviation did this because they're earning 2000$/month from each pilots salary, somewhere about 90 pilots are currently placed by MSD aviation,
That comes out to be around 1,80,000$/month which further comes to be around 1crore INR/month and that's nothing because they are charging 50,000$ for type-rating of B737 which actually costs around 20-25k , so the rest 25k is charged for the conversion of CPL into Indonesian CPL and all those fake promises which ar still pending since 2011 , they have sent around 10 batches till now ,
So they is earning around minimum 3,00,000$/month ,
So if a pilots sits in Jakarta doesn't fly for lion air because of his expired IR then there is a problem for MSD since MSD have leased out these pilots to lion and lion can only complaint to MSD about it , MSD therefore created fake sim check reports followed by bribe to DGCA officers who approves a renewal of IR without doing any verifications and if lion wants to discontinue the contract with MSD aviation because of the pilots who weren't flying then who will lose 3,00,000$/month
I hope you all are smart enough
Well guys don't go through MSD aviation it doesn't matter in which ever airline he's placing you , don't go for it because at the end of the day it's not worth it
The criminal case proceeding will take place in few months , in which they will be prove guilty , apparently Mr Kush bhasin is so scared of the court case that he refused to be a part of MSD
But Mr sk thinks he is the smartest person living on the planet earth
In past few years he has already been involved in criminal activities
he's doesn't know how to get out of this one , from past 4 months he hasn't paid any salaries to pilots working under him. Is That what you pay for?
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Well congratulations guys on being robbed.I really and truly feel sorry for all my comrades who have been duped by these scamsters.I hope the Indian government will wake up and take action.Unfortunately there were some clean people who tried but then the crooks finally prevailed.But from what I hear there are some guys in the market who are trying something like MSD aviation but this time they seem to be genuine guys.
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The miscreants who subscribed to the scheme of the short cut to the cockpit entered the scheme with these eyes wide open. Forged logbooks!?! 
Forged IR/LRs?!? These pilots should have their licenses revoked with immediate effect and barred from further involvement in the cockpit, as they at not innocent bystanders in the P2F scheme. They should be ashamed.
No tea or sympathy for any of these creeps duped by MSD, Eagle, or Falcon looking to bypass the normal progression.
Forged IR/LRs?!? These pilots should have their licenses revoked with immediate effect and barred from further involvement in the cockpit, as they at not innocent bystanders in the P2F scheme. They should be ashamed.No tea or sympathy for any of these creeps duped by MSD, Eagle, or Falcon looking to bypass the normal progression.
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