21 Year old Girl youngest ATR Captain
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this is a joke. the whole world has thought out a system which is foolproof, but here we have cleverdicks who have to prove that they have the a world record.
what is amazing is that so many agree to a 21 yr old as the capt of a multicrew a/c carrying passengers.
It normally takes an airline many years to assess a pilots ability, maturity, exposure......before giving a pilot their command.
even then, mistakes are made, like the experianced Jet pilot who yesterday ran over a man 4 times over a traffic incident.
stop advertising this stupidity to the whole world on this forum.
what is amazing is that so many agree to a 21 yr old as the capt of a multicrew a/c carrying passengers.
It normally takes an airline many years to assess a pilots ability, maturity, exposure......before giving a pilot their command.
even then, mistakes are made, like the experianced Jet pilot who yesterday ran over a man 4 times over a traffic incident.
stop advertising this stupidity to the whole world on this forum.
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A380 Jockey, That young boy today is flying 777 for Air India. He did a stint with SilkAir under the leave without pay scheme of Air India in the late early 2000 and came back to Air India in 2006. His father was an Air Force pilot who was flying 747 classics in Air India at that time and retired in 2007.
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Thanks 7xx.
Hope its the same young lad we're both talking about. Sounds about right. He should've become an astronaut or something. Was a smart kid too. IF its the same lad,you can always say my hey to him. He'll remember me as Arthur. And he sure as hell will. Cause I let him manuveur my plane in cruize!
You could,in those days you know...
Any idea what happened of his ol' man
Cheers
Hope its the same young lad we're both talking about. Sounds about right. He should've become an astronaut or something. Was a smart kid too. IF its the same lad,you can always say my hey to him. He'll remember me as Arthur. And he sure as hell will. Cause I let him manuveur my plane in cruize!
You could,in those days you know...
Any idea what happened of his ol' man
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Hey 7xx,
I just managed to trace down this 17 year old indian boy fresh from pilots training school who i flew down way back in '83 on his completion of Cpl. I used some old indian contacts of mine that i had nurtured over the years. Found out that he's not with AI after all,rather a senior captain with SIA. Why am i not surprised. Only the best end up with SIA.
Thanks for trying though. We did refresh some old memories with his ol man though....
I just managed to trace down this 17 year old indian boy fresh from pilots training school who i flew down way back in '83 on his completion of Cpl. I used some old indian contacts of mine that i had nurtured over the years. Found out that he's not with AI after all,rather a senior captain with SIA. Why am i not surprised. Only the best end up with SIA.
Thanks for trying though. We did refresh some old memories with his ol man though....
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Congratulations to the new captain on attaining her command. Anyone who attains a command at that age must be very proud.....HOWEVER, where is the experience? One definition for experience is how often have you frightened yourself and got away with it. If you fly ILS to ILS, reasonable weather and everything works you will probably have a long boring career. It is the dark and dirty nights with multiple MELS, black hole approaches that really put you to the test. Add to that, pushy gate agents/station managers, argumentative passengers ( heaven knows India has its fair share of those ) a new first officer who just made it through and the holes in the cheese start to line up.
Good luck to the new commander and many happy landings.
Good luck to the new commander and many happy landings.
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You must remember that in India , the system is very different.After your CPL you end up on the right seat of an ATR or 737/320 or even a 777.Due to the rapid expansion there is a huge requirement for Captains and many are being upgraded rapidly.Some of the Indian Captains who got their Captaincy at a very young age have done very well for themselves.And some not so , as many have even struggled to get through the sim evaluations of many foreign airlines despite a few 1000 hrs from the LHS.From my experience ,it's quite a sticky situation.Quite a few of the new Captains have been caught in various close calls and this is due to the basics being wrong and the lack of experience.Hope some one will wake up to the situation very soon.As for this young lady , good for her but what was mentioned was quite factually incorrect.
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i see a lot of people wishing each other good luck with their career on this thread. well, thats nice, but luck has nothing to do with staying alive so your passengers may live too.
its pure hard work, learning or observing the finer points from your seniors, and a healthy dose of CFS......common f.....g sense.
to effectively experiance the many situations that a pilot may encounter, takes many years in a cockpit, and over even more drinks at the bar. even then, when an emergency does turn up, all the simulators and planning in the world may not be of much use.
the word here is composure, and that comes with handling situation after situation over the years.
the worst case scenario in a captains career is when he is shooting a canpa in a thunderstorm with an f/o named Jose, and unfamiliar terrain all around on an engine out.
thats when you have really earned your salary and a beer. luck has nothing to do with it.
its pure hard work, learning or observing the finer points from your seniors, and a healthy dose of CFS......common f.....g sense.
to effectively experiance the many situations that a pilot may encounter, takes many years in a cockpit, and over even more drinks at the bar. even then, when an emergency does turn up, all the simulators and planning in the world may not be of much use.
the word here is composure, and that comes with handling situation after situation over the years.
the worst case scenario in a captains career is when he is shooting a canpa in a thunderstorm with an f/o named Jose, and unfamiliar terrain all around on an engine out.
thats when you have really earned your salary and a beer. luck has nothing to do with it.
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Well said rdr , couldn't agree with you more.It's important to get the guys with the "Right Stuff" into the cockpit.Anyone else will be a liability at some point in time.
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So we can safely assume that rdr and sky dancer were NEVER a liability in the cockpit!
Born with golden wings were you..??!!
THAT's what trainers are meant for sky dancer..
To train to an acceptable level,so that nobody is a 'liability' in the cockpit.
Remember,one day,YOU could be the liability ..
Born with golden wings were you..??!!
THAT's what trainers are meant for sky dancer..
To train to an acceptable level,so that nobody is a 'liability' in the cockpit.
Remember,one day,YOU could be the liability ..
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A380 Jockey So we can safely assume that rdr and sky dancer were NEVER a liability in the cockpit!
jock who is WE ?? and how do you come to such a safe assumption when you do not know either of us ??
Born with golden wings were you..??!!
well yes, there was always a pair around the house all my life, and i keep being given these shiny ones to pin on.
THAT's what trainers are meant for sky dancer..
To train to an acceptable level,so that nobody is a 'liability' in the cockpit.
Remember,one day,YOU could be the liability
now a lecture on the training element and aviation safety. from your posts, i realise that you are one of those uptight instructors who runs home with the ball midway in a match when his mama calls.
there has been zero substance in your post to support the theory that it is okay to hand a command to a 21 year old. (why not 15) which is what this general debate is about. instead, you choose to go personal. nobody targetted individuals except you in this thread, even a few days before your last post. this, in my opinion, is a character flaw which you will have to live with.
jock who is WE ?? and how do you come to such a safe assumption when you do not know either of us ??
Born with golden wings were you..??!!
well yes, there was always a pair around the house all my life, and i keep being given these shiny ones to pin on.
THAT's what trainers are meant for sky dancer..
To train to an acceptable level,so that nobody is a 'liability' in the cockpit.
Remember,one day,YOU could be the liability
now a lecture on the training element and aviation safety. from your posts, i realise that you are one of those uptight instructors who runs home with the ball midway in a match when his mama calls.
there has been zero substance in your post to support the theory that it is okay to hand a command to a 21 year old. (why not 15) which is what this general debate is about. instead, you choose to go personal. nobody targetted individuals except you in this thread, even a few days before your last post. this, in my opinion, is a character flaw which you will have to live with.
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Rdr,
My post is amply relevant to ur last post.
And try and get your diction and grammar right before you post please. It helps readers understand,what might quite easily be mistaken for ramblings of a senile man. Just my 2 cents worth. Now off you go son. And take your rubber duckie with you will ya...
My post is amply relevant to ur last post.
And try and get your diction and grammar right before you post please. It helps readers understand,what might quite easily be mistaken for ramblings of a senile man. Just my 2 cents worth. Now off you go son. And take your rubber duckie with you will ya...
Mmmmm
Another Airline on my won't fly list.
They must be bloody joking?
Well good luck girl because you're going to need lots of it to make up for your very low experience.
And yes I too had my PPL at 17, CPL at 18 blah blah. But there is no way in hell I was ready to command a 70 Pax 30 tonne missile. Especially with an FO that most likely would have had even less experience than me!!
Another Airline on my won't fly list.
They must be bloody joking?
Well good luck girl because you're going to need lots of it to make up for your very low experience.
And yes I too had my PPL at 17, CPL at 18 blah blah. But there is no way in hell I was ready to command a 70 Pax 30 tonne missile. Especially with an FO that most likely would have had even less experience than me!!
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@nitpicker : u seem to be reeking of confidence ( pun intended ) ! just because u never had the confidence to pilot a 30 tonne aircraft at a young age dosent mean no one should . That girl didnt just jump into the LHS directly , she did her fair share of hard work and put in the effort and now she deserves it . Allrite let me put it this way , though ur national airline Qantas has the most experienced captains and blah blah blah... its still in everybody's no fly list aint it ?? 
I dont work for Qantas but if I did i would be proud of them.
It wasn't a confidence thing back when i was 21. I realised that I had to "walk before I could run"
I spent quite a few years in the right seat of Fokkers and Boeings and had a fair bit of maturity before I upgraded to the LHS and every one of those years were invaluable. The experience gained in actual operations watching the experienced guys in the LHS were priceless and anyone that thinks they can just step in and do it is fooling themselves and the travelling public that trust in them.
As a poster mentioned above there are many many challenges that can present themselves at the most inappropriate time and I only hope that the swiss cheese holes ( her's being much much bigger holes ) don't align themselves over India one dark stormy night.
Good luck to her, she's gunna need it more than once in India!!
It wasn't a confidence thing back when i was 21. I realised that I had to "walk before I could run"
I spent quite a few years in the right seat of Fokkers and Boeings and had a fair bit of maturity before I upgraded to the LHS and every one of those years were invaluable. The experience gained in actual operations watching the experienced guys in the LHS were priceless and anyone that thinks they can just step in and do it is fooling themselves and the travelling public that trust in them.
As a poster mentioned above there are many many challenges that can present themselves at the most inappropriate time and I only hope that the swiss cheese holes ( her's being much much bigger holes ) don't align themselves over India one dark stormy night.
Good luck to her, she's gunna need it more than once in India!!