what's future with 500 jet flight hours?
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what's future with 500 jet flight hours?
Hello pilot friends,
In your opinion, a low timer with 1000hours including 500hours on jet, can he find any job?
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In your opinion, a low timer with 1000hours including 500hours on jet, can he find any job?
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In your recent post Indonesia for low timers, you say you have 500 hours and no jet....
Now you say you have 1000 hours and 500 jet? Odd..... Don't bother with EagleJet at Lion Air it will damage your CV not help it.
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Now you say you have 1000 hours and 500 jet? Odd..... Don't bother with EagleJet at Lion Air it will damage your CV not help it.
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PT6A are you sure? I want a proof...
Thinking of getting 500 as well, and maybe will have better CV than someone else. Tired of being unemployed. Dont mind if its RYR, SWA or LNI.
Please, stop posting "stupid" comments.
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Thinking of getting 500 as well, and maybe will have better CV than someone else. Tired of being unemployed. Dont mind if its RYR, SWA or LNI.
Please, stop posting "stupid" comments.
Cheers.
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It will do more harm than good.... Because in the future a airline in Europe such as RYR or EZY will want to take you on as a junior pilot... They will want to do some kind of line training that is paid for... If you have the type and 500 hours you don't fit the bill... You also are no match for the guys applying for a DE FO position with 1000's on type.
Because of people like Eagle Jet, many airlines now are looking at 500 hours in an airline operating under JAA standards... Something Lion Air is not (they are blacklisted and just failed the IOSA audit with more than 500 findings)
So going there is not only bad for your CV but also a Heath hazard (source European Commision)
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Because of people like Eagle Jet, many airlines now are looking at 500 hours in an airline operating under JAA standards... Something Lion Air is not (they are blacklisted and just failed the IOSA audit with more than 500 findings)
So going there is not only bad for your CV but also a Heath hazard (source European Commision)
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You are completely true. We're talking about Indonesia, not any country in Europe. Unfortunately, our world is not equal everywhere; different society, social status, poverty, corruption. But things has to change someday. I wish all airlines could fly in Europe or wherever. I would think Lion Air and all those airlines banned could be allowed in the near future.
We are aware and we know the current situation. For that reason, we have to cope with and not ignore them.
And no, it wont be in the future its happening nowadays. You have to pay RYR and most of airlines if you want to join them. But what happens, because is Europe its well looked? Come on guys....We all of us came from the same mother.
We are aware and we know the current situation. For that reason, we have to cope with and not ignore them.
And no, it wont be in the future its happening nowadays. You have to pay RYR and most of airlines if you want to join them. But what happens, because is Europe its well looked? Come on guys....We all of us came from the same mother.
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Unfortunately it is not that simple.. It is engrained in their culture (bribery and corruption) I don't think it will change anytime soon.
Their DGCA had been present with the facts from the EU and asked to remove their AOC, it has not happened so just goes to prove why they should be on the ban list.
It's a sad state of affairs it really is... A throughly bad apple.
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Their DGCA had been present with the facts from the EU and asked to remove their AOC, it has not happened so just goes to prove why they should be on the ban list.
It's a sad state of affairs it really is... A throughly bad apple.
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would you like to explain why it's a problem to do 500 flight hours in Lion if I want to stay few years in Asia?
Do you think that I cann't find any job after line training in Lion Air?
Could you develope yoir idea?
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would you like to explain why it's a problem to do 500 flight hours in Lion if I want to stay few years in Asia?
Do you think that I cann't find any job after line training in Lion Air?
Could you develope yoir idea?
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Lion won't keep you afterwards, why? Because they want you to leave and make room for the next guy who is paying. You get 500 hours or one year whichever comes first, don't believe it if Eagle Jet say you will stay longer.. You won't they are just after your money.
After Lion where do you go? Your still not a very experienced pilot, most expat jobs in Asia are for Captains.. those that are looking for first officers you will then be going up against guys with 1000+ on type from good airlines.
It is just a fact of the way the market is, save your money please listen!
It's a sad fact, but today if you want a good job you might need that money to get into easyJet etc.. (something which is also wrong, but nothing compared to the EagleJet / Lion Air deal)
Also save your money because you may be out of a flying job for a while even with a 737TR.
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After Lion where do you go? Your still not a very experienced pilot, most expat jobs in Asia are for Captains.. those that are looking for first officers you will then be going up against guys with 1000+ on type from good airlines.
It is just a fact of the way the market is, save your money please listen!
It's a sad fact, but today if you want a good job you might need that money to get into easyJet etc.. (something which is also wrong, but nothing compared to the EagleJet / Lion Air deal)
Also save your money because you may be out of a flying job for a while even with a 737TR.
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In my case, I have 500 flight hours on single engine.
Either I wait for, or I do a type rating.
In the first case, I will stay without fly for one year, may be two...without salary!!!
In the second case, I take the eagle jet program with one year, I will do about 800 hours on jet, and I will have 1300 flight hours including 800 on jet (Marvelous
).
I think I will able to seek and find a job in south east asia or africa, that's my own opinion and friends airline pilots. In this precise case, in one year I build up my hours for my next job, and I can be hired in airline, and have a salary even if I have spent a lot of money!!!
Even if I have done my hours with Lion Air, you think I won't able to find a job?
Either I wait for, or I do a type rating.
In the first case, I will stay without fly for one year, may be two...without salary!!!
In the second case, I take the eagle jet program with one year, I will do about 800 hours on jet, and I will have 1300 flight hours including 800 on jet (Marvelous
).I think I will able to seek and find a job in south east asia or africa, that's my own opinion and friends airline pilots. In this precise case, in one year I build up my hours for my next job, and I can be hired in airline, and have a salary even if I have spent a lot of money!!!
Even if I have done my hours with Lion Air, you think I won't able to find a job?
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Ever EagleJet pilot that I spoke to did not have a job once he had his 500 hours, some a year on still don't have a job.
Please don't think airlines will look on at you as an "experienced pilot" after the program... They won't. They will know you went to a failing airline with very poor standards and bought hours.
It really will not help you my friend.
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Please don't think airlines will look on at you as an "experienced pilot" after the program... They won't. They will know you went to a failing airline with very poor standards and bought hours.
It really will not help you my friend.
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"what's solution? Suicide?"
I would suggest, go Africa, this is the time they do hiring(Dec, Jan, Feb) You will be flying single engines and move up the ladder. But again its not cake walk, at times you might think that you are chasing your own tail, but better option than Suicide.
Good Luck
And no one said its easy.
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*alloverthesky87,
After the 500 hours, the airline will possibly ask you to stay on,
as they're expanding and you'd already be company and aircraft inducted.
Other options available:
Apply for Garuda and other B737 operators in the region.
Apply for CX as a second officer and Dragonair.
*There were countless of job opportunities advertised on pilot employment
agencies looking for B737-300/800 pilots this year.
There were at least 40 jobs advertised.
It's still a slow down in the world economy but when things do pick up,
you'll be ahead of the competition, as aviation will also pick up.
*PT6A:
Quote: You said:
Please don't think airlines will look on at you as an "experienced pilot" after the program...
They won't. They will know you went to a failing airline with very poor standards and bought hours.
*PT6A, you know that at the end of the day, if a person is invited to attend an assessment
for screening with a new operator, that person will have to show to the operator what they can do?
**OKAY PT6A, what do you suggest and recommend that any person does?
**PT6A: what type of arcraft do you fly?
***alloverthesky87:You said:
Can I have a post of a pilot who have done a line training in Lion Air, his point of view?
***I hope someone can please answer this question??
After the 500 hours, the airline will possibly ask you to stay on,
as they're expanding and you'd already be company and aircraft inducted.
Other options available:
Apply for Garuda and other B737 operators in the region.
Apply for CX as a second officer and Dragonair.
*There were countless of job opportunities advertised on pilot employment
agencies looking for B737-300/800 pilots this year.
There were at least 40 jobs advertised.
It's still a slow down in the world economy but when things do pick up,
you'll be ahead of the competition, as aviation will also pick up.
*PT6A:
Quote: You said:
Please don't think airlines will look on at you as an "experienced pilot" after the program...
They won't. They will know you went to a failing airline with very poor standards and bought hours.
*PT6A, you know that at the end of the day, if a person is invited to attend an assessment
for screening with a new operator, that person will have to show to the operator what they can do?
**OKAY PT6A, what do you suggest and recommend that any person does?
**PT6A: what type of arcraft do you fly?
***alloverthesky87:You said:
Can I have a post of a pilot who have done a line training in Lion Air, his point of view?
***I hope someone can please answer this question??
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Why not read over http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...-pontanak.html
And http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...t-cae-p2f.html
If you need more information on this company contact the EU Commision, their files are very telling.
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And http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...t-cae-p2f.html
If you need more information on this company contact the EU Commision, their files are very telling.
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PT6A,
Quote:
"If you need more information on this company contact the EU Commision, their files are very telling"
That was before... but you know that the EU has lifted their previous ban on Indonesian carriers,as the EU is satisfied the safety requirements are being met.
Garuda is flying to Europe.
Those articles are old news.
How many EU carriers were also involved in accidents and incidents this year?
None?
Bull****!
My point:
If someone does the 500 hour line flying with "Lionair".
After the 500 hours line flying, if a person is invited for an assessment
with a new carrier.
That person will have to demonstrate in the sim check what they're
capable of doing?
The line flying will help a person to progress to any aircraft with any
operator in the future, as they're experienced to operate in a multi crew
all weather new generation aircraft.
There might be an economic slow down now, but aviation will pick up
again and so will jobs!
Quote:
"If you need more information on this company contact the EU Commision, their files are very telling"
That was before... but you know that the EU has lifted their previous ban on Indonesian carriers,as the EU is satisfied the safety requirements are being met.
Garuda is flying to Europe.
Those articles are old news.
How many EU carriers were also involved in accidents and incidents this year?
None?
Bull****!
My point:
If someone does the 500 hour line flying with "Lionair".
After the 500 hours line flying, if a person is invited for an assessment
with a new carrier.
That person will have to demonstrate in the sim check what they're
capable of doing?
The line flying will help a person to progress to any aircraft with any
operator in the future, as they're experienced to operate in a multi crew
all weather new generation aircraft.
There might be an economic slow down now, but aviation will pick up
again and so will jobs!
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Southern please do get yur facts correct, the EU has not lifted the ban on Indonesia.. Certain airlines have had it lifted. Lion is not one of them, 2 months ago they were audited and over 500 violations found.
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/doc/list_en.pdf
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http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/doc/list_en.pdf
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ok, my friends, both points of view are interesting and understanding, but understood me, one side, go ahead, second side, get away!!!
What do I do?
If I want to stay few years in south east asia, Line training can be a good solution? I needn't a good crm like air france or lufthansa, that's for beginning!!!
What do I do?
If I want to stay few years in south east asia, Line training can be a good solution? I needn't a good crm like air france or lufthansa, that's for beginning!!!