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Lion Air 734 off runway at Pontanak

Old 2nd Nov 2010, 09:02
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Lion Air 734 off runway at Pontanak

bumby touchdown, limited runway lengh and wet conditions.
looks like a hull loss to me.

story here:
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Old 2nd Nov 2010, 09:23
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I've seen the Boeing team put back together much worse cases than that appears to be. Just depends on what it's insured value was and just how difficult to access and recover, including any political crap Boeing might have to put up with regarding the importation of spares etc. from customs. The cost of repair plus bribes may well put the whole project beyond economic repair.
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Ah the old Indonesian Flap 5 and 220kts VREF SOP in practice again?

Works best on rainy days with <1800m LDA

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Old 2nd Nov 2010, 19:18
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Haha flap 5 Vref 220

Anyways again Indonesia unfortunaly. Aren't there a lot of European pilots at Lion Air?
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Well I thought that TUNDRA TYRES might be a good solution.
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Haha flap 5 Vref 220
Unfortunately, it's not a joke.
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Is it True Lion Air landing without Landing Gear In Pontianak Indonesia?

I was inside the airport and drizle at the airport and I saw Lion Air landing and crash land on the runway.02.11.2011 its look a like B-737 aircraft.
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It was a 73/4 from what I believe,more a runway over run in kalimantan (borneo) by some 20m,
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YouTube - lion air tergelincir di bandara supadio,pontianak
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so he's out 20 meters, is that Ok ? I saw the engine cowl touched the ground.
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I was inside the airport and drizle at the airport and I saw Lion Air landing and crash land on the runway.02.11.2011 its look a like B-737 aircraft
Time-traveller, are you?
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WIth reference to the March 9th, 2009 incident in Jakarta, it never ceases to amaze me how it is possible for an aircraft which requires around 3000ft to stop to overrun a 12000ft runway!
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that depends on the mach number with which you cross the threshold.
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 16:37
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Indonesian Airlines

It is not just Lion Air that has problems in Indonesian Airspace, many Airlines do. A lot of it is " the land at any cost attitude", coupled with the weather / rain etc and the not over long runways.

It has not changed much in the 40 odd years that that I have watched it.
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Lion Air do suffer from some incident involving overrun

There are numerous incident involving Lion Air aircraft skid off from the runway/overrun but never been reported to KNKT (NTSB in Indonesia). So when they got one of their A/C overrun (any type...even their newest 737NG also had an overrun a while ago but never made it to the public), they simply drag it out from the grass using the tug..pull it to the apron, and finally put them back in to service again...i never knew how they managed to do it without anyone know..

that's why this airline still in EU blacklist..

and i believe the aircraft who involved in the accident is written of

btw, this's my first post
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Old 14th Nov 2010, 12:49
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hahaha... it must be "insiders secret" for unreported accident...
It's not abou EU unfair about the black list, but JT performance like they don't want to be lifted fro EU ban..

anyway, this is my first post..
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Originally Posted by Shamrock767
There are numerous incident involving Lion Air aircraft skid off from the runway/overrun but never been reported to KNKT (NTSB in Indonesia). ...
How do you know?
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There are numerous incident involving Lion Air aircraft skid off from the runway/overrun but never been reported to KNKT (NTSB in Indonesia). So when they got one of their A/C overrun (any type...even their newest 737NG also had an overrun a while ago but never made it to the public), they simply drag it out from the grass using the tug..pull it to the apron, and finally put them back in to service again...i never knew how they managed to do it without anyone know..
There are ICAO standards for reporting and to whom and I don't believe that they all include the public.
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How do I know ?

Well...some of my friend are working in Airline Industry in Indonesia..and one of my friend friend's happen to see one of the "unreported" incident in Padang and Pekanbaru

There is a thread in local forum discussing about JT, and I must say..those "unreported overrun" is only small pieces regarding JT safety..another one is smoke in the cockpit but didn't declare anything due to "do you want to declare emergency. Descent ? No don't ! It will make us embarassed !" And another one pilots flying above their hours limit of 110 hours..which resulted quite a fatigue...

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http://www.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_av...t%20PK-LIQ.pdf

Accident report.
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