Singapore Cargo Rumours (early 2010)
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Hi,
I'm a 200-hr freshie too. I applied with SIAC for the position of FO too. I got a rejection letter recently. I am pleasantly surprised that they actually send out rejection letters.
good luck!
I'm a 200-hr freshie too. I applied with SIAC for the position of FO too. I got a rejection letter recently. I am pleasantly surprised that they actually send out rejection letters.
good luck!
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Singapore Airlines Cargo requires B747-400 Captains
MONTHLY BASIC SALARY
Captain: S$10,000 when fully operational. Pilots with sufficient relevant current B744 rating experience can expect a higher starting salary than S$10,000.
MONTHLY BASIC SALARY
Captain: S$10,000 when fully operational. Pilots with sufficient relevant current B744 rating experience can expect a higher starting salary than S$10,000.
SERVICE BENEFITS AND ALLOWANCES
Monthly Variable Component: Up to 10% of monthly basic salary.
Monthly Variable Component: Up to 10% of monthly basic salary.
Annual Wage Supplement: Maximum of one month’s basic salary, at the discretion of the company.
Salary Increment:
Out-of-Base Allowance: S$8 per hour from the start to the end of COP.
Out-of-Base Allowance: S$8 per hour from the start to the end of COP.
Flying Allowance: From S$55 per hour.
Additional Benefits for Contract Terms:
* Housing Allowance: S$3,900 per month if married and S$3,550 per month if single.
* Housing Allowance: S$3,900 per month if married and S$3,550 per month if single.
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gomi,
1. It varies with experience, sliding scale the exact "maths" are hidden in HR bowels
2. 10% of the published basic salary is "variable" and can be taken away when the company fails to meet certain performance criteria i.e. if your basic salary is $10k, your fixed basic is $9k, and $1k is the variable component. ours was cut for 18mths only got it back this year. in Sep.
3.Supposed to be 1mth last drawn salary as at the 31st Dec, but was reduced last year even though 31Dec 08 salary had no reduction,\ and this year yet to be seen.
4. COP = Crew Operating Pattern, or in SQC terms, Changing Often Patterns. Right now disruptions are quite bad, some go out for 12 days only to return after 3 days, some go out for 5 days but only get back 2 weeks later. lots of delays between 4-47hrs. Memos from the office telling us in advance of delays are quickly replaced by new ones with more delays just hours later. This is the peak period, so this is expected, as someone mentioned before, 3Q is quiet, but in that one, figure about 10-30hrs flying max with frequent flight cancellations. esp late dec to early feb. lots of unpaid paxing not included in hours.
5. Annual average is about 500-550 hours. I'm too lazy to do the math right now.
6. Housing allowance - last reviewed in 2008, when it was reduced from $4000, despite rentals going up! The last increase was due to one of our brave colleagues going up to management and telling them like it is. contract currently says $3500 limit, so I guess the $400 is out of the kindness of the company's heart!
Overall good company to work for, if you're an experienced captain.
but then again individual experience varies. I have no family and no major financial burdens and don't care about regular lifestyle. For FO maybe not so good as it seems the company wants less full time captain slots, I understand cruise pilots coming, and part time capts already in the system. The local boys are hardworking (generally) and great to get along with, but won't be happy if anyone tried to short cut the system to command, even though most are far from the min requirements.
GD
1. It varies with experience, sliding scale the exact "maths" are hidden in HR bowels
2. 10% of the published basic salary is "variable" and can be taken away when the company fails to meet certain performance criteria i.e. if your basic salary is $10k, your fixed basic is $9k, and $1k is the variable component. ours was cut for 18mths only got it back this year. in Sep.
3.Supposed to be 1mth last drawn salary as at the 31st Dec, but was reduced last year even though 31Dec 08 salary had no reduction,\ and this year yet to be seen.
4. COP = Crew Operating Pattern, or in SQC terms, Changing Often Patterns. Right now disruptions are quite bad, some go out for 12 days only to return after 3 days, some go out for 5 days but only get back 2 weeks later. lots of delays between 4-47hrs. Memos from the office telling us in advance of delays are quickly replaced by new ones with more delays just hours later. This is the peak period, so this is expected, as someone mentioned before, 3Q is quiet, but in that one, figure about 10-30hrs flying max with frequent flight cancellations. esp late dec to early feb. lots of unpaid paxing not included in hours.
5. Annual average is about 500-550 hours. I'm too lazy to do the math right now.
6. Housing allowance - last reviewed in 2008, when it was reduced from $4000, despite rentals going up! The last increase was due to one of our brave colleagues going up to management and telling them like it is. contract currently says $3500 limit, so I guess the $400 is out of the kindness of the company's heart!
Overall good company to work for, if you're an experienced captain.
but then again individual experience varies. I have no family and no major financial burdens and don't care about regular lifestyle. For FO maybe not so good as it seems the company wants less full time captain slots, I understand cruise pilots coming, and part time capts already in the system. The local boys are hardworking (generally) and great to get along with, but won't be happy if anyone tried to short cut the system to command, even though most are far from the min requirements.GD
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Gear Down,
Thanks! Based on your 500-550 hours/year that works out to 41-46 hours a month or $2255-$2530/month in hourly pay. I've seen a couple people on this thread say that you get about $5000/month in variable pay. Where does the rest of it come from?
SGD12,500/month for a 744 captain is appalling!
Thanks! Based on your 500-550 hours/year that works out to 41-46 hours a month or $2255-$2530/month in hourly pay. I've seen a couple people on this thread say that you get about $5000/month in variable pay. Where does the rest of it come from?
SGD12,500/month for a 744 captain is appalling!
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Gomi,
Figure about 12-14 days out of base allowance at $8/hr. The money people say this isn't supposed to be income, as it is meant for meals and stuff. I'm a cheap git so I take a good portion of it home anyway. This portion isn't taxed - yet. A bird in the office mentioned that IRAS might be looking at taxing it, but right now it's still safe.
Also no transport to/from work, no paxing allowace, rents will definitely use up your allowance if you rent a condo.
It's less than the sandpit but then again I don't like sand.
GD
Figure about 12-14 days out of base allowance at $8/hr. The money people say this isn't supposed to be income, as it is meant for meals and stuff. I'm a cheap git so I take a good portion of it home anyway. This portion isn't taxed - yet. A bird in the office mentioned that IRAS might be looking at taxing it, but right now it's still safe.
Also no transport to/from work, no paxing allowace, rents will definitely use up your allowance if you rent a condo.
It's less than the sandpit but then again I don't like sand.
GD
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Based on Gear Down's numbers, it's about SGD12,500/month excluding housing, education and per diems. That's a bout AED35,000. I guess a bit more if you are previously experienced on the 744.
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Net pay as a captain after you have paid taxes, accommodation, utilities and schools (two children) is approx 11000 i.e the same as a first officer in EK.
Add to that: less leave days (32 versus 42), no ID 90, inadequate medical insurance, no provident fund and no transportation to work.
No increase in salary since 2005, no service increment for two years, no bonus because SIA will protect mainline from any fines although the crimes happened before Cargo was a separate company.
Fact is: A first officer in EK has a better package than an expat captain in SIA Cargo. Then it's up to you if living in the ME is acceptable.
Add to that: less leave days (32 versus 42), no ID 90, inadequate medical insurance, no provident fund and no transportation to work.
No increase in salary since 2005, no service increment for two years, no bonus because SIA will protect mainline from any fines although the crimes happened before Cargo was a separate company.
Fact is: A first officer in EK has a better package than an expat captain in SIA Cargo. Then it's up to you if living in the ME is acceptable.
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Then it's up to you if living in the ME is acceptable.
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Normal roster 1 month i advance can look like this,
Day 1 SIN to SYD to AKL 2 Day 2 layover Day 3 layover Day 4 AKL to SIN
About a week before you will have roster change
Day 1 SIN to BLR to SHJ Day 2 Layover Day 3 SHJ to AMS Day 4 position in economy to SIN
The day before you will have a new change Day 1 SIN to XMN to NKG Day2. layover Day 3. NKG to ANC Day 4. layover Day 5. ANC to LAX Day 6. layover Day 7. layover Day 8. LAX to AMS Day 9. car AMS to BRU Day 10. BRU to SHJ Day 11. layover Day 12. SHJ to SIN
And what you actually fly
Day 1. SIN XMN to NKG Day 2. layover Day3. layover Day4 .Layover Day 5
NKG to ANC Day 6 ANC ORD to DFW day7. layover Day 8 DFW to Bru Day 9. By car BRU to AMS then Economy to SIN.
During my 5 years I say that is a typical pattern, there is a lot of changes
and disruption.
Day 1 SIN to SYD to AKL 2 Day 2 layover Day 3 layover Day 4 AKL to SIN
About a week before you will have roster change
Day 1 SIN to BLR to SHJ Day 2 Layover Day 3 SHJ to AMS Day 4 position in economy to SIN
The day before you will have a new change Day 1 SIN to XMN to NKG Day2. layover Day 3. NKG to ANC Day 4. layover Day 5. ANC to LAX Day 6. layover Day 7. layover Day 8. LAX to AMS Day 9. car AMS to BRU Day 10. BRU to SHJ Day 11. layover Day 12. SHJ to SIN
And what you actually fly
Day 1. SIN XMN to NKG Day 2. layover Day3. layover Day4 .Layover Day 5
NKG to ANC Day 6 ANC ORD to DFW day7. layover Day 8 DFW to Bru Day 9. By car BRU to AMS then Economy to SIN.
During my 5 years I say that is a typical pattern, there is a lot of changes
and disruption.
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Or another one could be like this:
Day 1: SIN XMN NKG, followed by 14 days doing NKG ANC, ANC DFW, DFW BRU, BRU SHJ, SHJ AMS, AMS SHJ, SHJ SIN.
Or, maybe something equally nice.
And 2 days before that, the entire COP gets cancelled, and you get Reserved Duty or Standbies.
Day 1: SIN XMN NKG, followed by 14 days doing NKG ANC, ANC DFW, DFW BRU, BRU SHJ, SHJ AMS, AMS SHJ, SHJ SIN.
Or, maybe something equally nice.
And 2 days before that, the entire COP gets cancelled, and you get Reserved Duty or Standbies.
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so what does a captain on the 10000 basic end up taking home each month?
what sort of housing can you get with the 3900 allowance?
what is the cost of a small car to buy and run(if anyone has rough figures as i cant work all the calculators on the bloggs)
or is it cheaper to mrt/taxi?
what is supermarket prices like, say compared to uk
how many days a month are you in singapore?
can you get leave when requested and is there any staff travel?
any answers greatly appreciated!
what sort of housing can you get with the 3900 allowance?
what is the cost of a small car to buy and run(if anyone has rough figures as i cant work all the calculators on the bloggs)
or is it cheaper to mrt/taxi?
what is supermarket prices like, say compared to uk
how many days a month are you in singapore?
can you get leave when requested and is there any staff travel?
any answers greatly appreciated!
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so what does a captain on the 10000 basic end up taking home each month?
Varies but about 19000 average. You then have to pay for accommodation and income tax though.
what sort of housing can you get with the 3900 allowance?
Not very good to be honest.
what is the cost of a small car to buy and run(if anyone has rough figures as i cant work all the calculators on the bloggs)
or is it cheaper to mrt/taxi?
Dont consider a car unless you really cant survive without one. They are expensive to buy, run and maintain and are officially lumps of scrap once they are 10 years old.
what is supermarket prices like, say compared to uk
Outrageously expensive
how many days a month are you in singapore?
Varies seasonally. In the busy periods its nowhere near enough. In the slack periods it is far too many.
can you get leave when requested and is there any staff travel?
Er, No and No. Unless you count ID 75 as staff travel. Much cheaper to go firm EY with a loco.
any answers greatly appreciated!
Varies but about 19000 average. You then have to pay for accommodation and income tax though.
what sort of housing can you get with the 3900 allowance?
Not very good to be honest.
what is the cost of a small car to buy and run(if anyone has rough figures as i cant work all the calculators on the bloggs)
or is it cheaper to mrt/taxi?
Dont consider a car unless you really cant survive without one. They are expensive to buy, run and maintain and are officially lumps of scrap once they are 10 years old.
what is supermarket prices like, say compared to uk
Outrageously expensive
how many days a month are you in singapore?
Varies seasonally. In the busy periods its nowhere near enough. In the slack periods it is far too many.
can you get leave when requested and is there any staff travel?
Er, No and No. Unless you count ID 75 as staff travel. Much cheaper to go firm EY with a loco.
any answers greatly appreciated!
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A lot depends on your family situation. If you are single you can live a good life. With one or two children you're on par with an EK first officer. If you have more than two children... well, let's just say it's not good enough.
A lot depends on your family situation. If you are single you can live a good life. With one or two children you're on par with an EK first officer. If you have more than two children... well, let's just say it's not good enough.