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Jetsreams , that was one of the best posts I have seen on this forum.Full of facts..and more facts.I hope some of our "very informed" aviation correspondents in the media are reading this and publish this because these are questions that need to be answered by the ministry and Thulsidas himself....I agree with the pilots of AI , why should they be punished because of the faults of those in power ?Having said that I also pity the present CMD as he has to clean out this mess....
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I cant It would take too long, all I can say is I prefer even the Congo than India
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Jetstream, you have given an insight into total mismanagement as well as corruption at the highest national, as well as company levels.
I could add on to your post, but i do feel it is counter productive. Still you have made a start.
Can you now suggest some effective course of action for the ailing company ??
I could add on to your post, but i do feel it is counter productive. Still you have made a start.
Can you now suggest some effective course of action for the ailing company ??
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TOI reporting today that an RTI filed has yielded some information on a dubious lease in 1996 that cost AI 26 million.
Go jet stream
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Declare bankruptcy and start from scratch as a private limited company without govt con men
Go jet stream
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Declare bankruptcy and start from scratch as a private limited company without govt con men
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An interesting post indeed.
I am not in the least bit concerned what aircraft you operate. It could be a small turbo prop or piston for all I care. So what does the type of aircraft you operate got to do with this subject? It will take more than a B777 to impress me.
"...........but we are not at AI to weaken, tear down, or undercut the AI pilots".
Probably not, however by blindly following the blind and going out with the rest of the "elite" pilots you would be helping to tear down the company, that is feeding you and your family. If you did go out sick with the rest of them I would hope you intended to leave as you would have been sacked, in all probability. Why would you what to support them? You see as a foreigner, you pay Indian tax (if India based) but you are given nothing in return. You will have no rights whatsoever. What are the Indian pilot force doing for you? They want you and the rest of the expats out, thereby cutting short your time in India, where you like India or hate it. I assume AI have got you a work permit, for you to be based in India, so what other obstacle should be placed in your way to stay and work in India? I am sure where you come from there are Indian pilots who are working and perhaps taking jobs off the locals. well as long as they have a work permit and the licence then I would have thought that was fare enough. Oh the licence. If you are a foreign national in India you will never get an Indian licence. How many Indian pilots have FAA, JAA etc., licences? Many! Don't you think the playing field should be levelled somewhat before you support, the blind leading the blind? I am referring to pilots here.
P.S., is this how the "elite" behave?
An interesting post indeed.
I am not in the least bit concerned what aircraft you operate. It could be a small turbo prop or piston for all I care. So what does the type of aircraft you operate got to do with this subject? It will take more than a B777 to impress me.
"...........but we are not at AI to weaken, tear down, or undercut the AI pilots".
Probably not, however by blindly following the blind and going out with the rest of the "elite" pilots you would be helping to tear down the company, that is feeding you and your family. If you did go out sick with the rest of them I would hope you intended to leave as you would have been sacked, in all probability. Why would you what to support them? You see as a foreigner, you pay Indian tax (if India based) but you are given nothing in return. You will have no rights whatsoever. What are the Indian pilot force doing for you? They want you and the rest of the expats out, thereby cutting short your time in India, where you like India or hate it. I assume AI have got you a work permit, for you to be based in India, so what other obstacle should be placed in your way to stay and work in India? I am sure where you come from there are Indian pilots who are working and perhaps taking jobs off the locals. well as long as they have a work permit and the licence then I would have thought that was fare enough. Oh the licence. If you are a foreign national in India you will never get an Indian licence. How many Indian pilots have FAA, JAA etc., licences? Many! Don't you think the playing field should be levelled somewhat before you support, the blind leading the blind? I am referring to pilots here.
P.S., is this how the "elite" behave?
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@jetstream,
your post made interesting reading. would also like to know the exact role
the ' management pilots ' play in managing the company. what kind
of managerial roles do they play -these aggrieved management pilots who went on strike . of all the questions that u have asked,
are any addressed to these management pilots who may have been
part of all this mismanagement or at least privy to these wrong
doings but kept quite because they were getting their share
of the loot - 10 lacs or so pm and much more during the hey days ?
your post made interesting reading. would also like to know the exact role
the ' management pilots ' play in managing the company. what kind
of managerial roles do they play -these aggrieved management pilots who went on strike . of all the questions that u have asked,
are any addressed to these management pilots who may have been
part of all this mismanagement or at least privy to these wrong
doings but kept quite because they were getting their share
of the loot - 10 lacs or so pm and much more during the hey days ?
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in addition the the 9 a/c that you mentioned that air india is flying. i would also like to add 2 more aircrafts. we also have an atr flying on the delhi-kanpur-allahabad route (not sure if wet or dry leased) and we also have a beechcraft 1900d aircraft wetleased. dont know where it flies to but it is there on the operators permit of indian airlines. added about 5 months back.
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Your Xenophobia Is Sickening
Jetstream and co…. (blind followers):
You are a little, little, little person of no honor let alone integrity. You have written a squabble of self serving opinionated “facts” yet your prejudices, xenophobic nature and obvious racism screams out your pathetic existence. Some points I will not argue with as I do agree but your attack on the foreigners is DESPICABLE. Why am I so annoyed? You have used this web site to launch a self absorbed scathing attack at AI and in particular the expat pilot community when either:
a) I will bet you are just as much to blame for AI’s woes as the next elitist AI arrogant sky-god; or
b) your slanderous comments about the expat pilots have left your true colors openly exposed.
The points I will comment on are from those raised by you, ie those I can comment on and not allow my disgust at the shear existence of AI to get in the way:
1) “Qualified” Indian co-pilots… WHAT? With 175 hrs and you want them to fly a 777, 747, A310/19/20/21… As I witnessed they can not even manually fly straight and level on downwind and ARE NOT PERMITTED to land the aircraft. So, pilot incapacitation? Autoland into BOM with a G/S of 3.30 deg? They may go for years without EVER taking off or landing the aircraft. Yeah, real safe you fool. Replace experienced and SAFE pilots with children unable or not permitted to even land the aircraft. Let’s ask the travelling public whom they want up the pointy end?
2) If the foreigners are not paid, they will walk out. They are professional and unified that is why. They are PROFESSIONAL and SUPPORT each other, not like the fractured self absorbed and self serving “executives” there at present. The foreigners have offered AI MANY solutions to a more efficient work pattern that would save MILLIONS of USD but your corrupt schedulers & "executive pilots" (which you support?) will not budge from having their back pockets lined and whiskey shelves filled. If they are paid more it is because they come with many, many years of experience and qualifications. Sorry, you want to rely on your 175 hr children in opposition. You naive and dangerous fool.
FOREGNERS WITH DUBIOUS QUALIFICATIONS?? What? Their many, many, many thousands of hours experience and tertiary credentials of some. They bring STANDARDS and EXPERTISE earnt over many years from all types of aviation including military, GA and the decades of international airline ops? You xenophobic, jealous idiot. Ask the FO’s and FA’s whom they prefer to fly with? The expat will give a qualified FO flying sectors while your Indian Cmdrs are so child-like that they take every sector. The expats respect the FA’s as a vital and integral part of the CREW while the nationals see them to be belittled and put down (even sacrifice an occupied flight deck to brawl with!): a means only to serve them meals and chai while being abused if arriving late with their order dare say a passenger’s needs were being attended to.
3) Any contract employee will never possess seniority over the latest full time employee anywhere in the world. You b!tch about the obvious. And foreigners or ANYONE having the skills and experience of the what the “foreigners” bring will always be preferred to a child of 175 hrs or a Cmdr who flies in his pajamas, smokes in the cockpit, keeps the cockpit door open, treats the FO and FA’s like scum and below his self believing God-like status, or gets into a physical fight with fellow crew members leaving the cockpit unattended…. Yeah… why bother with the professionals when AI have such a marvelous pool of talent! Contract employees are almost ALWAYS employed from an agency you idiot. The expats RESPECT seniority above all in a pecking order, unlike some whom I know bribe to climb above it at AI for promotion.
4) Expats have to pay tax or else their visa is cancelled let alone renewed. Research your facts idiot. And if they are able to set themselves up to avoid taxation legally, well who’s smarter?
6) On what authority do you have to state aircraft economics? The carriers you state often operate the -200LR with the -115 engines where AI use the -110, but of course you knew that didn’t you… Or are you again just MAKING UP STORIES to sell your imbecilia?
15) “Artificially escalating pilot training costs”… well when AI BUY 4 hours of sim time at Jet Airways but use perhaps 1.5 hrs due the instructor can’t be bothered to arrive on time for the scheduled briefing, let alone start time then, hey! Blame management for their incompetence and lack of professionalism!! TRE’s and TRI’s passing pilots that should have been failed, OR failing them and then being reprimanded by the “executive / management” pilots for doing so??! FACTS! And I have the evidence to prove it.
So, your ICAO Cat II status investigations have been well earnt by you all. Then again, you’ll blame those damn foreigners for that won’t you? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, AI / Indian aviation is the LAUGHING STOCK of world aviation. You exist in a self created cesspit of systematic, beaurocratic and structured quagmire.You blame everyone else for the situation but fail to acknowledge any part the YOU may have in the prodcut AI so pathetically offer.
Self absorbed, self opinionated idiots like you will promote AI to the lower doldrums of world disgust.
You are a little, little, little person of no honor let alone integrity. You have written a squabble of self serving opinionated “facts” yet your prejudices, xenophobic nature and obvious racism screams out your pathetic existence. Some points I will not argue with as I do agree but your attack on the foreigners is DESPICABLE. Why am I so annoyed? You have used this web site to launch a self absorbed scathing attack at AI and in particular the expat pilot community when either:
a) I will bet you are just as much to blame for AI’s woes as the next elitist AI arrogant sky-god; or
b) your slanderous comments about the expat pilots have left your true colors openly exposed.
The points I will comment on are from those raised by you, ie those I can comment on and not allow my disgust at the shear existence of AI to get in the way:
1) “Qualified” Indian co-pilots… WHAT? With 175 hrs and you want them to fly a 777, 747, A310/19/20/21… As I witnessed they can not even manually fly straight and level on downwind and ARE NOT PERMITTED to land the aircraft. So, pilot incapacitation? Autoland into BOM with a G/S of 3.30 deg? They may go for years without EVER taking off or landing the aircraft. Yeah, real safe you fool. Replace experienced and SAFE pilots with children unable or not permitted to even land the aircraft. Let’s ask the travelling public whom they want up the pointy end?
2) If the foreigners are not paid, they will walk out. They are professional and unified that is why. They are PROFESSIONAL and SUPPORT each other, not like the fractured self absorbed and self serving “executives” there at present. The foreigners have offered AI MANY solutions to a more efficient work pattern that would save MILLIONS of USD but your corrupt schedulers & "executive pilots" (which you support?) will not budge from having their back pockets lined and whiskey shelves filled. If they are paid more it is because they come with many, many years of experience and qualifications. Sorry, you want to rely on your 175 hr children in opposition. You naive and dangerous fool.
FOREGNERS WITH DUBIOUS QUALIFICATIONS?? What? Their many, many, many thousands of hours experience and tertiary credentials of some. They bring STANDARDS and EXPERTISE earnt over many years from all types of aviation including military, GA and the decades of international airline ops? You xenophobic, jealous idiot. Ask the FO’s and FA’s whom they prefer to fly with? The expat will give a qualified FO flying sectors while your Indian Cmdrs are so child-like that they take every sector. The expats respect the FA’s as a vital and integral part of the CREW while the nationals see them to be belittled and put down (even sacrifice an occupied flight deck to brawl with!): a means only to serve them meals and chai while being abused if arriving late with their order dare say a passenger’s needs were being attended to.
3) Any contract employee will never possess seniority over the latest full time employee anywhere in the world. You b!tch about the obvious. And foreigners or ANYONE having the skills and experience of the what the “foreigners” bring will always be preferred to a child of 175 hrs or a Cmdr who flies in his pajamas, smokes in the cockpit, keeps the cockpit door open, treats the FO and FA’s like scum and below his self believing God-like status, or gets into a physical fight with fellow crew members leaving the cockpit unattended…. Yeah… why bother with the professionals when AI have such a marvelous pool of talent! Contract employees are almost ALWAYS employed from an agency you idiot. The expats RESPECT seniority above all in a pecking order, unlike some whom I know bribe to climb above it at AI for promotion.
4) Expats have to pay tax or else their visa is cancelled let alone renewed. Research your facts idiot. And if they are able to set themselves up to avoid taxation legally, well who’s smarter?
6) On what authority do you have to state aircraft economics? The carriers you state often operate the -200LR with the -115 engines where AI use the -110, but of course you knew that didn’t you… Or are you again just MAKING UP STORIES to sell your imbecilia?
15) “Artificially escalating pilot training costs”… well when AI BUY 4 hours of sim time at Jet Airways but use perhaps 1.5 hrs due the instructor can’t be bothered to arrive on time for the scheduled briefing, let alone start time then, hey! Blame management for their incompetence and lack of professionalism!! TRE’s and TRI’s passing pilots that should have been failed, OR failing them and then being reprimanded by the “executive / management” pilots for doing so??! FACTS! And I have the evidence to prove it.
So, your ICAO Cat II status investigations have been well earnt by you all. Then again, you’ll blame those damn foreigners for that won’t you? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, AI / Indian aviation is the LAUGHING STOCK of world aviation. You exist in a self created cesspit of systematic, beaurocratic and structured quagmire.You blame everyone else for the situation but fail to acknowledge any part the YOU may have in the prodcut AI so pathetically offer.
Self absorbed, self opinionated idiots like you will promote AI to the lower doldrums of world disgust.
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FACTS!
Indian Aviation Indian airlines: Not safe enough? - eTurboNews.com
Indian flights to US score low on safety - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India
But hey! Get rid of the damn foreigners because you have these highly trainined pilots climbing the ranks to take their place:
All flunk pilot licence exam - Mumbai - City - NEWS - The Times of India
From your own press and illustrious DGCA FACTS and FIGURES.
Your aviation industry is a SICKENING JOKE played on the unsuspecting travelling public.
Indian flights to US score low on safety - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India
But hey! Get rid of the damn foreigners because you have these highly trainined pilots climbing the ranks to take their place:
All flunk pilot licence exam - Mumbai - City - NEWS - The Times of India
From your own press and illustrious DGCA FACTS and FIGURES.
Your aviation industry is a SICKENING JOKE played on the unsuspecting travelling public.
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I think Jet's thoughts on the management and leasing of air craft are good points and definitely point to the rot in the IA system. Also having such diverse equipment is probably a maintenance nightmare.
From the look of it it seems most if not all pilots seem to have or at least turn to flogging the expat issue as they feel it invokes nationalistic pride etc amongst all. This is where all these emotional 175 hr to 20000 hrs guys seem to loose the drift.
Sorry buddies that argument does not fly with an increasing aware (Indian) public. Hey many of us have been expats in other countries so please don't do us a dis service as we might get kicked out or kicked around in our jobs. (hmm it is already happening in Australia so i wonder if there is more than meets the eye there).
So if you keep screaming kick the expats out then please be ready to leave your country of work and return to Mother India and then slug it out at 30,000 feet with your FA's.
And economics 101 lesson. Free trade involves movement of both goods and skills across borders unhindered. India is a WTO member so stop pissing in your chadis.
Also repeated clarifications on tax not being paid by expats. Well as said do your homework. Tax is paid by them however instead of being deducted from salary etc etc as an Indian resident it is deposited directly by the company with the govt at a much higher rate as mandated by the Indian tax code. Based on country of residence and dual tax treaties they can claim refunds in their country, something you can also do so if you are an expat in a treaty company (refer WTO etc etc). So if you want to raise the tax issue next time when a co worker is smuggling in above his quota of duty free or you purchase a house and under invoice do raise the tax issue internally in a country with a parallel economy larger than it's actual. Tax evasion is as rampant as bad driving in this country so lets not start pointing fingers.
As a foot note, I am an Indian have been an expat, have availed of above concessions and have employed expats in India and continue to want to keep that option open. I am quite confident they will not shut my business down at the drop of a hat or beat my co workers up for whatever reasons.
Long live capitalism! Piss of socialist mindsets
From the look of it it seems most if not all pilots seem to have or at least turn to flogging the expat issue as they feel it invokes nationalistic pride etc amongst all. This is where all these emotional 175 hr to 20000 hrs guys seem to loose the drift.
Sorry buddies that argument does not fly with an increasing aware (Indian) public. Hey many of us have been expats in other countries so please don't do us a dis service as we might get kicked out or kicked around in our jobs. (hmm it is already happening in Australia so i wonder if there is more than meets the eye there).
So if you keep screaming kick the expats out then please be ready to leave your country of work and return to Mother India and then slug it out at 30,000 feet with your FA's.
And economics 101 lesson. Free trade involves movement of both goods and skills across borders unhindered. India is a WTO member so stop pissing in your chadis.
Also repeated clarifications on tax not being paid by expats. Well as said do your homework. Tax is paid by them however instead of being deducted from salary etc etc as an Indian resident it is deposited directly by the company with the govt at a much higher rate as mandated by the Indian tax code. Based on country of residence and dual tax treaties they can claim refunds in their country, something you can also do so if you are an expat in a treaty company (refer WTO etc etc). So if you want to raise the tax issue next time when a co worker is smuggling in above his quota of duty free or you purchase a house and under invoice do raise the tax issue internally in a country with a parallel economy larger than it's actual. Tax evasion is as rampant as bad driving in this country so lets not start pointing fingers.
As a foot note, I am an Indian have been an expat, have availed of above concessions and have employed expats in India and continue to want to keep that option open. I am quite confident they will not shut my business down at the drop of a hat or beat my co workers up for whatever reasons.
Long live capitalism! Piss of socialist mindsets
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Thanks TOPTUP, you have taken the exact words out of my mouth, only i would never have been able to say it half as well. I was trying to draw this imbecilic child of Indian aviation out into the open.
His post reflects the national culture of ....I first,......I....second,......you last. He has laced this disgraceful trait with a rant against his company.
One thing the recent events have shown is that no one in his right mind should only have local pilots.
The way forward, is to teach the young Indian pilots as much as you can, in flying and aviation. They are smart enough to see the difference. As for the stupid nationalistic fools, they will dig their own graves as Indian aviation matures. The world is littered with idiots who try to stop others seeing the big picture for their own self advancement.
His post reflects the national culture of ....I first,......I....second,......you last. He has laced this disgraceful trait with a rant against his company.
One thing the recent events have shown is that no one in his right mind should only have local pilots.
The way forward, is to teach the young Indian pilots as much as you can, in flying and aviation. They are smart enough to see the difference. As for the stupid nationalistic fools, they will dig their own graves as Indian aviation matures. The world is littered with idiots who try to stop others seeing the big picture for their own self advancement.
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Excellent post and eloquently put!
jetsreams
To maintain any remaining dignity you have left on this site I would suggest your do some heavy handed editing of your post, or go for the delete button.
If I ever took a walloping like that on pprune I wouldn't post anymore for quite awhile!
Ah the medial examination! Well any Indian in their right mind will tell you it is way, way over the top. Anyone who is honest will tell you a lot of the expats would probably be pushed to pass the fighter pilot/space cadet/astronaut medical. So why washout your expertise because they maybe a little overweight etc? we are talking about a two crew operation here, are we not? May I remind you they are pilots we are referring to not astronauts, although looking at some of them swaggering around, one could be forgiven for mistaking them as such.
Before you close yourself down, maybe you could inform us all why the A.I.,cabin crew stay in different hotels than flight deck whenever possible? No? Well I'll tell them for you. A.I., have had so many sexual harassment cases logged against cockpit crews hassling the girls this was their answer. Some of these "elite" cant attract a women on merit, so they resort to the misuse of "power" hiding behind a uniform and the threat of recriminations it may bring, if the line is not towed.
On ya TopTup!
Excellent post and eloquently put!
jetsreams
To maintain any remaining dignity you have left on this site I would suggest your do some heavy handed editing of your post, or go for the delete button.
If I ever took a walloping like that on pprune I wouldn't post anymore for quite awhile!
Ah the medial examination! Well any Indian in their right mind will tell you it is way, way over the top. Anyone who is honest will tell you a lot of the expats would probably be pushed to pass the fighter pilot/space cadet/astronaut medical. So why washout your expertise because they maybe a little overweight etc? we are talking about a two crew operation here, are we not? May I remind you they are pilots we are referring to not astronauts, although looking at some of them swaggering around, one could be forgiven for mistaking them as such.
Before you close yourself down, maybe you could inform us all why the A.I.,cabin crew stay in different hotels than flight deck whenever possible? No? Well I'll tell them for you. A.I., have had so many sexual harassment cases logged against cockpit crews hassling the girls this was their answer. Some of these "elite" cant attract a women on merit, so they resort to the misuse of "power" hiding behind a uniform and the threat of recriminations it may bring, if the line is not towed.
On ya TopTup!
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*Why are the erstwhile and existing Minister of Civil Aviation, Secretaries of Civil Aviation and former CMDs not held accountable for all these acts of omission and commission?*
@wannabe_flyer
For the most part your points are indeed shocking and need to be exposed via a PIL.
The sad thing is people know (at least the insiders) but they just let it go.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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And when they strike, they really strike ... 
Report: Pilots Brawl With Crew Aboard Air India Flight - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com
Looks like the company will have a couple of openings soon.
Report: Pilots Brawl With Crew Aboard Air India Flight - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com
Looks like the company will have a couple of openings soon.
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Rat scare ground AI flight
...... and when these rodents strike .... ??? 
Did a rat scare ground AI flight?
4 Oct 2009, 2105 hrs ISTThe Air India flight 923 from Calicut to Riyadh was cancelled today after crew and passengers spotted a rat onboard the aircraft. However, airport officials played down the incident. The airport manager was quick to deny the rat scare and instead blamed the cancellation on technical reasons.
After disembarking the passengers, the flight was diverted to Mumbai and ordered to be fumigated.
This is the second such case that has been reported in the last two weeks.
Did a rat scare ground AI flight?- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
Did a rat scare ground AI flight?
4 Oct 2009, 2105 hrs ISTThe Air India flight 923 from Calicut to Riyadh was cancelled today after crew and passengers spotted a rat onboard the aircraft. However, airport officials played down the incident. The airport manager was quick to deny the rat scare and instead blamed the cancellation on technical reasons.
After disembarking the passengers, the flight was diverted to Mumbai and ordered to be fumigated.
This is the second such case that has been reported in the last two weeks.
Did a rat scare ground AI flight?- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
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Offtopic: Strike
Two pilots have been grounded after they allegedly left their cockpit mid-flight to trade punches with crew members in front of stunned passengers.
Without going into any enquiry to establish the reportage, if the PIC had left crew station without declaring emergency or delegating controls to another flight crew he must be fired not merely 'grounded'.
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My mentioning the 777 was not meant to try to impress you, but rather to identify me as part of a peer group that are all highly experienced, have flown for much better companies in the past and are for the most part riding in their last rodeo. The descriptions you cite are probably for the most part correct. You ask if in backing the pilots we would be willing to give up the job to which the answer would be yes if that was the final outcome.
I don't really know you so I won't ascribe to you the generalizations I am about to make. In looking around the industry it is pretty easy to see that conditions for pilots are not as good as previous times. What we do not want to do is be enablers or contributors to the continued erosion of the profession. It seems to me many of those who are following in our foot steps are not willing to do what is necessary to protect the profession for themselves or those follow. Quite frankly, I enjoy what I'm doing or I would not be here, but I or my peers are not going to enable or help a corrupt management make an unwarranted attack on the other AI pilots regardless of what they may think of us. I would expect there are many who would call us foolish (that doesn't bother me a bit), but we believe in integrity and will not participate in the attacks on the AI pilot group.
My mentioning the 777 was not meant to try to impress you, but rather to identify me as part of a peer group that are all highly experienced, have flown for much better companies in the past and are for the most part riding in their last rodeo. The descriptions you cite are probably for the most part correct. You ask if in backing the pilots we would be willing to give up the job to which the answer would be yes if that was the final outcome.
I don't really know you so I won't ascribe to you the generalizations I am about to make. In looking around the industry it is pretty easy to see that conditions for pilots are not as good as previous times. What we do not want to do is be enablers or contributors to the continued erosion of the profession. It seems to me many of those who are following in our foot steps are not willing to do what is necessary to protect the profession for themselves or those follow. Quite frankly, I enjoy what I'm doing or I would not be here, but I or my peers are not going to enable or help a corrupt management make an unwarranted attack on the other AI pilots regardless of what they may think of us. I would expect there are many who would call us foolish (that doesn't bother me a bit), but we believe in integrity and will not participate in the attacks on the AI pilot group.
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India Today
India today ran an article on the strike and an analysis. A summary
1) Last major strike in 1991 was when IA pilots went on a strike to demand better pay. This lasted a month and was the straw that broke the camels back ie: governments decision to allow private players.
2) Before that almost weekly strikes of some department or the other.
Since then 15 years have passed and there have been no major strikes. Interestingly they have attributed it to the following
1) Pilots used to take to this career because of the love of flying. Now it is for money and money only.
2) Young guns cannot handle this life style especially as a lot of them are from small towns and from conservative back grounds. Cases of sexual harassment and other such issues including stealing of hotel supplies, duty free smuggling etc have been plaguing all airlines recently (I believe an earlier poster has also mentioned these here). This has reached alarming proportions and will cost all airlines huge amounts.
In a nut shell this is the tip of the iceberg and bigger problems to come in the future.
In my opinion, this is plaguing all industries in In India where the competitive nature of the schooling and pressure from family as well as the dual society a lot of middle India live in has resulted in this warped sense of I, me and myself.
The issues in the aviation sector and other areas are a manifestation of this and the lack of civic sense and proper primary school education in the entire country.
For crying out aloud try and get an Indian to stand in line or see how we drive on the roads and it will become clear as to what is the problem.
This still does not change my view that the only way to begin this reform is to give a shock and stick by it. As a tax payer I am increasingly going to refuse to let my money flow down the tube of AI and let them shut down. Shock of 30,000 people without jobs might actually wake some idiots up across the board.
1) Last major strike in 1991 was when IA pilots went on a strike to demand better pay. This lasted a month and was the straw that broke the camels back ie: governments decision to allow private players.
2) Before that almost weekly strikes of some department or the other.
Since then 15 years have passed and there have been no major strikes. Interestingly they have attributed it to the following
1) Pilots used to take to this career because of the love of flying. Now it is for money and money only.
2) Young guns cannot handle this life style especially as a lot of them are from small towns and from conservative back grounds. Cases of sexual harassment and other such issues including stealing of hotel supplies, duty free smuggling etc have been plaguing all airlines recently (I believe an earlier poster has also mentioned these here). This has reached alarming proportions and will cost all airlines huge amounts.
In a nut shell this is the tip of the iceberg and bigger problems to come in the future.
In my opinion, this is plaguing all industries in In India where the competitive nature of the schooling and pressure from family as well as the dual society a lot of middle India live in has resulted in this warped sense of I, me and myself.
The issues in the aviation sector and other areas are a manifestation of this and the lack of civic sense and proper primary school education in the entire country.
For crying out aloud try and get an Indian to stand in line or see how we drive on the roads and it will become clear as to what is the problem.
This still does not change my view that the only way to begin this reform is to give a shock and stick by it. As a tax payer I am increasingly going to refuse to let my money flow down the tube of AI and let them shut down. Shock of 30,000 people without jobs might actually wake some idiots up across the board.
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I have to ask about the commander quality in the cockpits here in India. Last night on the ramp at delhi there was a Airbus that got lost on the domestic apron and couldnt find their bay!!! HOW can you do this in Delhi, its easy man.
The follow me car came along and they were choosing to not follow it and instead turned off in the wrong direction...again, I think it took them nearly 45 minutes to park, we saw them taxi right past their bay not once but twice!...the commander at one stage even did his PA announcement on the ground frequency blaming the airport authority for the mix up in their bay(although in the 45 minutes a kingfisher pilot also did his PA announcement on the ground freq which impressed me, and in english and hindi to boot).... WTF I have only ever seen this type of stupidity here in India by Indian crews... this is a easy airport to find your way around people and its your home turf I would hate to see them in other parts of the world!
The follow me car came along and they were choosing to not follow it and instead turned off in the wrong direction...again, I think it took them nearly 45 minutes to park, we saw them taxi right past their bay not once but twice!...the commander at one stage even did his PA announcement on the ground frequency blaming the airport authority for the mix up in their bay(although in the 45 minutes a kingfisher pilot also did his PA announcement on the ground freq which impressed me, and in english and hindi to boot).... WTF I have only ever seen this type of stupidity here in India by Indian crews... this is a easy airport to find your way around people and its your home turf I would hate to see them in other parts of the world!