Kingfisher rising like a phoenix
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wow99- the question is who is buying????
also the drama the fia did, was revealing - showing no direction no cooperation amongst the airlines.
meanwhile, anyone knows how many ar training in lhr for the a330 for singapore and hk?
does vjm lose his lhr spot if he withdraws from blr and does not start another sector/
also the drama the fia did, was revealing - showing no direction no cooperation amongst the airlines.
meanwhile, anyone knows how many ar training in lhr for the a330 for singapore and hk?
does vjm lose his lhr spot if he withdraws from blr and does not start another sector/
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maybe they should be allowed to serve Liqour on board flights, den that way they can make extra money with the delicious kingfisher beer. Only problem is, the pilots might drink all the profits FIRST. hehe. 
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Kingfisher might be going the Ryan air way!!!
Kingfisher Red may start charging for food - Corporate News - livemint.com
Kingfisher Red may start charging for food - Corporate News - livemint.com
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Airlines FDI investment on hold: Not good for Kingfisher.
Foreign airlines' FDI bid fails to take off- Policy-Economy-News-The Economic Times
Also Air India opposes Kingfisher to fly Delhi - London route.
Delhi-London route: Nacil opposes Kingfisher - Corporate News - livemint.com
NEW DELHI: Security concerns have forced the government to put on hold a proposal allowing foreign airlines to invest in domestic carriers. proposal by the civil aviation ministry to permit foreign airlines to pick up a 25% stake in domestic carriers is currently under the consideration of a committee of secretaries (CoS).
Also Air India opposes Kingfisher to fly Delhi - London route.
Mumbai: State-owned National Aviation Co. of India Ltd (Nacil), which runs flag carrier Air India, has written to the ministry of civil aviation asking it not to allow Kingfisher Airlines Ltd to operate on the New Delhi-London route, said two Nacil executives familiar with the matter.
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Looks like two things:
1) Air India is spending more time trying to combat the competition rather then clean up their completely inefficient airline. They are overstaffed, underqualified, and unorganized...more so then any airline in the world. The pilots and flight attendants are good chaps/gals and hard working too. Hopefully they will privatize it, allowing more room for competitors to actually compete!
2) Kingfisher is going from one unprofitable route to another? Sell the damn LHR slot...they'd make money of it! Jet was cancelled one of their flights, and sold it for more money then they had lost on that sector.
Now, I've seen on Kingfisher's wikipedia page they have 135 orders. I know they have xld alot...does anybody have any Idea how many orders they have?
Despite all this abrupt stop and backwards movement in the industry, boeing is still predicting massive growth and airlines still have tons of orders? Is this because they simply can't get rid of the orders, or do they actually expect to become profitable?
I believe KF was suppose to be profitable by 2007 (ha), I don't think they envisioned this mess!
A wise man once said: You want to become a millionaire? Start with a billion dollars, then start an airline. I believe it was the great Richard Bronson. I think Vijay just missed that when he was sippin his whisky with old chap Richard!
By the way, somebody give me a job!!!!!!!!!!
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1) Air India is spending more time trying to combat the competition rather then clean up their completely inefficient airline. They are overstaffed, underqualified, and unorganized...more so then any airline in the world. The pilots and flight attendants are good chaps/gals and hard working too. Hopefully they will privatize it, allowing more room for competitors to actually compete!
2) Kingfisher is going from one unprofitable route to another? Sell the damn LHR slot...they'd make money of it! Jet was cancelled one of their flights, and sold it for more money then they had lost on that sector.
Now, I've seen on Kingfisher's wikipedia page they have 135 orders. I know they have xld alot...does anybody have any Idea how many orders they have?
Despite all this abrupt stop and backwards movement in the industry, boeing is still predicting massive growth and airlines still have tons of orders? Is this because they simply can't get rid of the orders, or do they actually expect to become profitable?
I believe KF was suppose to be profitable by 2007 (ha), I don't think they envisioned this mess!
A wise man once said: You want to become a millionaire? Start with a billion dollars, then start an airline. I believe it was the great Richard Bronson. I think Vijay just missed that when he was sippin his whisky with old chap Richard!
By the way, somebody give me a job!!!!!!!!!!
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Never trust the Indians! They will talk you in to coming over by promising the World, and then fire you without even batting an eye lid. Happened to a French guy at KF. Left his job and came over. 2 weeks after he arrived in India, was given the pink slip. This is the way India is ...
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They will talk you in to coming over by promising the World, and then fire you without even batting an eye lid
Hmmm yes this is a very Indian thing to hire and fire, infact it us the Indians who developed it. I have never heard of anyone ever from any other country doing this. Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting!
Wetdrops in case you have not sensed the sarcasm
...........This is business. Maybe the expat was a moron, I am sure the fine print in the contract allowed him to be "laid off" or he would have gone screaming to court for compensation. And oh yes he did quit his other job for more money and he is above 18 and a mature adult, so that was his choice.Always read the fine print and stop pointing a finger at others cause the other 3 point back at you
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he would have gone screaming to court for compensation.
Well, anyway he could have waited another 100 light years for the decision and would have been happy if the result was in his favor.
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You are very generous with the court date. I would have made it double your estimate. Point I was trying to make however was that a contract drawn up is thoroughly vetted by the carriers lawyer to ensure if they pull a stunt like this they can get away scott free. Expat probably went to a lawyer (not knowing the Indian system) and realized nothing is coming of it.
Point I am making, is buyer beware clause. Read the fine print and make an informed decision and then don't cry when the consequences do not work out. On a flip side he could have joined, Delhi Belly did not agree with him, he missed his green pastures i France and bolted overnight. What would the airline have done in this case????
You are very generous with the court date. I would have made it double your estimate. Point I was trying to make however was that a contract drawn up is thoroughly vetted by the carriers lawyer to ensure if they pull a stunt like this they can get away scott free. Expat probably went to a lawyer (not knowing the Indian system) and realized nothing is coming of it.
Point I am making, is buyer beware clause. Read the fine print and make an informed decision and then don't cry when the consequences do not work out. On a flip side he could have joined, Delhi Belly did not agree with him, he missed his green pastures i France and bolted overnight. What would the airline have done in this case????
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Well, one area where they are definitely expanding is grounding of aircrafts. I just saw VT-KFH parked up in DEL and its engine, under-carriage nicely wrapped in plastic. That makes three in DEL !!!!
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Arigold,
No personal insult was intended or directed. Unfortunately, this is the truth that most of the Expats faced at KF. You may try to hide it, but there are 30-40 odd expat pilots that were sent home, after so many promises were made.
It indeed is an ugly situation. Specially, when some of those expats that were laid off, gave up secure, well paying jobs to be part of the good times!
As for arrogance ... that should have been nipped in the bud (ie .. during assesment and interview). Airlines screen their candidates in many areas. They are not offered employment just because they have a flying license and experience. This is the professional way of sourcing pilots.
Sadly, in todays aviation environment, contracts keep changing. For the expat pilots as well as for the Indian pilots. I would like to remind you of the Indian DGCA ruling regarding 6 months notice to your Employer, if you are to vacate post. What happened to that?? There was clear evidence that the Employer had violated many of the contracts and the notice period was reduced to 30 days.
If you decide to work for a foreign airline, would you not want to be treated fairly and justly? How would you feel if your Employer broke every single promise that they made, after you joined the Company? Or are you a person who enjoys seeing people being thrown out on to the streets??
Think about it?? The truth unfortunately hurts and I do not want any pilot (French, Indian or any other nationality) to go through what that poor French guy went through!!
No personal insult was intended or directed. Unfortunately, this is the truth that most of the Expats faced at KF. You may try to hide it, but there are 30-40 odd expat pilots that were sent home, after so many promises were made.
It indeed is an ugly situation. Specially, when some of those expats that were laid off, gave up secure, well paying jobs to be part of the good times!
As for arrogance ... that should have been nipped in the bud (ie .. during assesment and interview). Airlines screen their candidates in many areas. They are not offered employment just because they have a flying license and experience. This is the professional way of sourcing pilots.
Sadly, in todays aviation environment, contracts keep changing. For the expat pilots as well as for the Indian pilots. I would like to remind you of the Indian DGCA ruling regarding 6 months notice to your Employer, if you are to vacate post. What happened to that?? There was clear evidence that the Employer had violated many of the contracts and the notice period was reduced to 30 days.
If you decide to work for a foreign airline, would you not want to be treated fairly and justly? How would you feel if your Employer broke every single promise that they made, after you joined the Company? Or are you a person who enjoys seeing people being thrown out on to the streets??
Think about it?? The truth unfortunately hurts and I do not want any pilot (French, Indian or any other nationality) to go through what that poor French guy went through!!
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The question is - why is this an INDIAN phenomenon ?
(Not that I'd mind any expat reading this and deciding not to join. More jobs for locals and all that....)
A light year is a unit of distance. 
The question is - why is this an INDIAN phenomenon ?
(Not that I'd mind any expat reading this and deciding not to join. More jobs for locals and all that....)
Well, anyway he could have waited another 100 light years for the decision and would have been happy if the result was in his favor.
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Well guys , what goes around comes around.Wetdrops is right no other nation changed the terms and conditions as fast as the airline companies in India.And there are many who should take the blame for that.But as I said....what goes around.....many Indian pilots have been given in the boot is SQ and MI.Why don't you ask them what it feels like to be shown the door when you have a lot riding on that job...maybe then you'll understand what the expats here went through.At the end of the day we are pilots , we should ensure that the right guys get in and stay in,there's no place for the colour of the skin.