Expat Captains in SIA..!!
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And to add more salt onto any wound: It looks like Flt Ops has no intention of slowing down Captain upgrade training, and FO training too. I just had a cadet pilot (he told me that he's only a cadet, not even a SO) on observer duty. It was brought to both my FO & my attention that there's no sign of slowing in recruitment. The only thing is the back log is very very long. This bloke, he's still waiting for his SIM training since many months ago and there's no lesson planned in sight according to him. And the FO with me right away concurred that training department has no intention of holding off upgrade training for FOs too. And jokingly ( not knowing that I'm on my way out ) he said a new local Captain cost so much less than me. I have to admit, I couldn't argue that one out really.
What a fantastic opportunity once again SIA Flight Ops management has been presented with. I'm sure they will waste no time to engage next phase of firing; right after ALPAS being forced to accept more CNPLs.
What a fantastic opportunity once again SIA Flight Ops management has been presented with. I'm sure they will waste no time to engage next phase of firing; right after ALPAS being forced to accept more CNPLs.
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5,4,3,2, .....
I concur 101% with 777vs330 that they should pay us back for our sacrifices when the company is doing good.If cost cutting is a pre-emptive measure to prevent loss, then I'm all up for it. But if it's used as another mean to increase it's coffer and pay for some fools investing mistake, then F
K you.And the only way to prevent a misunderstanding there is to have a clause to compensate or reward us back if the company quarterly or annual profit makes it to a mutually agreed target . And wasn't the purpose of AWC, MVC to allow flexibilty in our pay during bad times ?
Frankly speaking, ALPA-S, MOM and any workers' union in Singapore are just toothless tigers. This "mediation" is just going through the motions for the inevitable. SQ has learned from its bloody PR mess it made out of the 2003 retrenchments and has seemed to choreograph its every move( VNPL, CNPL, paycut) to the T for the "spring cleaning". It would seem that they did everything they could to prevent it when it was planned all along. This order seems to come from high above( outside ALH ). Expat and locals alike, we are losers in this one way or another. The real winner is ......
And an interesting piece of article i found on Anet. ( Not directly related to topic)
Is Temasek Holdings Plundering Singapore Airlines? — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
K you.And the only way to prevent a misunderstanding there is to have a clause to compensate or reward us back if the company quarterly or annual profit makes it to a mutually agreed target . And wasn't the purpose of AWC, MVC to allow flexibilty in our pay during bad times ?Frankly speaking, ALPA-S, MOM and any workers' union in Singapore are just toothless tigers. This "mediation" is just going through the motions for the inevitable. SQ has learned from its bloody PR mess it made out of the 2003 retrenchments and has seemed to choreograph its every move( VNPL, CNPL, paycut) to the T for the "spring cleaning". It would seem that they did everything they could to prevent it when it was planned all along. This order seems to come from high above( outside ALH ). Expat and locals alike, we are losers in this one way or another. The real winner is ......
And an interesting piece of article i found on Anet. ( Not directly related to topic)
Is Temasek Holdings Plundering Singapore Airlines? — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
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Retrenchment reminder..
Retrenchments are just an exercise to remind everyone who is 'king'.
And the 'king' requires regular 'sacrifice' and 'affirmation'.
And the time has come for recurrent training and Base-check.
Crap! my license is expiring soon...
And the 'king' requires regular 'sacrifice' and 'affirmation'.
And the time has come for recurrent training and Base-check.
Crap! my license is expiring soon...
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BoeingDream, Suggest you go onto the Alpas site and read the latest on the round of talks. Might calm you down abit. With more Capts leaving all the time, the no's will improve slowly and before you know it, we're short.
Just hope we haven't taken that pay cut, because they'll never give it back.
Just hope we haven't taken that pay cut, because they'll never give it back.
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BoeingDream, Suggest you go onto the Alpas site and read the latest on the round of talks. Might calm you down abit. With more Capts leaving all the time, the no's will improve slowly and before you know it, we're short.Just hope we haven't taken that pay cut, because they'll never give it back.
Just hope we haven't taken that pay cut, because they'll never give it back.
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Why am i so certain that the MOM is going to impose at least 2/3 days cnpl.And why are they mixing up the issues of SI and AVC?
Well,lets wait and see.
Well,lets wait and see.
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While on the same topic it would be interesting to compare the take home salaries of say a local 777 captain working for SIA with that of an expat 777 captain.Just a thought to see what the difference might be.
I do know that the expat is paid a house rent allowance that probably the local is not...and a certain part of his kids tution fees are catered for.Any input as to the rosters of the two pilots.I would like to think that the local pilot makes the best of stations as a 'compensation' towards his 'lack' of income.Maybe not....just wondering...
I do know that the expat is paid a house rent allowance that probably the local is not...and a certain part of his kids tution fees are catered for.Any input as to the rosters of the two pilots.I would like to think that the local pilot makes the best of stations as a 'compensation' towards his 'lack' of income.Maybe not....just wondering...
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King...didn't you already say you were an "Expat" Capt with SIA...if so you would already know the pay scenarios between the two groups...if you don't then you must be a quiet fellow at work...it doesn't take much to find out what the diffs are...so who are you really?
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King, please this is an honest and sincere request...please if SIA does not renew your contract or if retrenchment becomes a reality please do not come over to the ME especially QR.
Are you insinuating that a local pilot gets a better roster consistently then an expatriate? Over here we are all the same so please take your xenophobic views and go home to wherever you came from.
Are you insinuating that a local pilot gets a better roster consistently then an expatriate? Over here we are all the same so please take your xenophobic views and go home to wherever you came from.
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You claim to be from singapore whilst u simultaneously say"come over"with reference to QR and the other's lost in the sand.Make up ur muddled mind boy.
LC,
I don't go around asking personal q's to other pilots,be they expats or locals or for that matter from any other airline.Its un ethical to say the least! I obviously assume that u do it on a regular basis.Ethics seems far from ur post.Pls vent ur frustrations some other place.Mebbe the sandpit would be a good start.
And yes,I have it from good authority that the singaporean buys have a much much better roster than the expats.If somebody wants proof of the pudding we could get it for you.Will take some effort but possible nevertheless....
Digest that...
You claim to be from singapore whilst u simultaneously say"come over"with reference to QR and the other's lost in the sand.Make up ur muddled mind boy.
LC,
I don't go around asking personal q's to other pilots,be they expats or locals or for that matter from any other airline.Its un ethical to say the least! I obviously assume that u do it on a regular basis.Ethics seems far from ur post.Pls vent ur frustrations some other place.Mebbe the sandpit would be a good start.
And yes,I have it from good authority that the singaporean buys have a much much better roster than the expats.If somebody wants proof of the pudding we could get it for you.Will take some effort but possible nevertheless....
Digest that...
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King...easy there fella...Sorry if I hit a sore spot...simply interested in what you might be thinking. I actually know more about the SQ situation than you might think. To react the way you have makes many wonder why you feel that the "Local" pilots at SIA get a better deal? Let me help, they get a better deal because they are from SINGAPORE! Standard expat rule all over the world...get used to it. Locals win...expats are cannon fodder. BTW, the scheduling program used by SQ is programmed to balance hours, route qualifications, and other such CAAS requirements. Hours go to those who need training first, training pillots get rostered by those requirements. There is no "seniority list" so to speak, and as such, no one may hog any COP's...But like any program, it can be altered. If you have a gripe, take it to your ALPAS guys, and keep it out of here. To throw your toys out of the crib, or toss an insult or two will only make you look more and more foolish. Ethically speaking? Whatever... What's that old saw...? It's better to keep one's mouth closed and let them think you are an idiot, than to open it and prove it...(paraphrased...)
Have good day!
Have good day!
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Oh and @ 4PW,
Quote: "Who the eff is this guy?"
Talk about a lame question.Therefore u are insinuating in one statment that you know everybody on Pprune.
Wow,u must go places boy! Surely not into aviation...
LC,
"It's better to keep one's mouth closed and let them think you are an idiot, than to open it and prove it...(paraphrased...)"
You couldn't have put it better.So as the big boys would say......shut up!!
And save what little grace u have left after your last few posts.
You just proved yourself that you are after all.........an idiot!
Now back to the topic at hand...
Quote: "Who the eff is this guy?"
Talk about a lame question.Therefore u are insinuating in one statment that you know everybody on Pprune.
Wow,u must go places boy! Surely not into aviation...
LC,
"It's better to keep one's mouth closed and let them think you are an idiot, than to open it and prove it...(paraphrased...)"
You couldn't have put it better.So as the big boys would say......shut up!!
And save what little grace u have left after your last few posts.
You just proved yourself that you are after all.........an idiot!
Now back to the topic at hand...
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Left Coaster - You are right, the roster is 'balanced' to make sure everyone gets similar hours and therefore money. What isn't balanced is who gets to be 'in command' out of SIN, with no STBY and who gets to go to London and who gets the crap.
