IndiGo Airlines - Sunita the Snake and her dog named Blue
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WOW! The last couple of years have been complete eye openers. Trust me these guys that get trashed around here, are the same guys we'd worship when we started off in IC in the early 90's. They are reliable pilots and excellent teachers. However, I guess it takes more than that to make a good management person. I only hope that all that's being written here is a miscommunication of some sort (hoping against hope). Maybe they should've been left to flying rather than make them deskhogs.
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Well the truth is if ever you are part of the management or you are a training captain , rest assured that you really won't be high on the popularity list , especially when the people under you don't get their way....and then of course there will be the not so successful peers who out of jealousy start various stories....facts of life my friend.
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Flying a desk not the same
Airlines where management pilots actually fly on line,are more likely to have at least a few "popular" ones.(Doesn't seem to be the case at "i fly--a desk now")
Likewise, training capts who actually have(as against,think they have) and are willing to share their expertise,can be quite popular with new line pilots(and a lot of low experience folks flying nowadays) keen to learn the ropes.
This is what defines an airlines "culture".
Likewise, training capts who actually have(as against,think they have) and are willing to share their expertise,can be quite popular with new line pilots(and a lot of low experience folks flying nowadays) keen to learn the ropes.
This is what defines an airlines "culture".
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The problem in India and other countries in that part of the world is corruption. it doesn't matter what the rules say, there is always a way round it .
To call this a democracy is obviously an over statement, why otherwise do you need an interview by DGCA if you want to change jobs ?
Please explain, if anybody can defend this policy!
I'm not bitter, as i havn't or ever will work for an indian carrier, but have been flying into and out of india for some time and see what's happening in this country.
Hope situation improves soon, though it is very unlikely!
To call this a democracy is obviously an over statement, why otherwise do you need an interview by DGCA if you want to change jobs ?
Please explain, if anybody can defend this policy!
I'm not bitter, as i havn't or ever will work for an indian carrier, but have been flying into and out of india for some time and see what's happening in this country.
Hope situation improves soon, though it is very unlikely!
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DGCA raps Kingfisher airlines for directive misuse - India Business - Business - The Times of India
this is what i was trying to explain 6 months notice is only for state run companies.
private companies missused it.
DGCA raps Kingfisher airlines for directive misuse - India Business - Business - The Times of India
this is what i was trying to explain 6 months notice is only for state run companies.
private companies missused it.
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Blue is back
Anyone know whether Blue got any pilots from wherever he went.
How many KF pilots have joined. What is the contract these pilots have signed.
Hear there is a new contract for Indian pilots in the pipeline. Any News.
Come on chaps, me included, please keep some Indigo forum alive to exchange news.
How many KF pilots have joined. What is the contract these pilots have signed.
Hear there is a new contract for Indian pilots in the pipeline. Any News.
Come on chaps, me included, please keep some Indigo forum alive to exchange news.
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Pilot and Bonuses
Sorry to be missing for a long time.
No bonus till now> Indigo makes more money by denying you your bonus than by keeping you happy. We don't want to organise ourselves (so many read pprune, but don't feel like contributing on an anonymous site, do you think they will organise and expose themselves), we want to save fuel for the company by doing decelerated approaches even when the company says do stabilised approaches, we want to be environmentally conscious goody goody green boys and girls. Do you think you deserve a bonus. Even in this time of recession most companies have paid out bonuses and sops and raises, maybe smaller ones than usual so that they can retain people for the time when the markets improve and people have more oppurtunities to jump ship (if you read The Economic Times regularly you would know what I am talking about). But IndiGo knows that we don't deserve a bonus or any thing else.
The reason you don't get a yearly pay hike is that you are not permanent employees of the company but are on contract. However, my contract is open ended, i.e., it does not have to be renewed every few years unlike the expat contract. So doesn't this make me permanent. There have been more so called permanent employees who have left the company than the contractual ones. We all know the turnover on the ground is much faster than for us. Expats and others, correct me if I am wrong, but when you join Emirates, Ethihad or any other airline are you not on contract. Then why do they get a raise every year and not IndiGo pilots. By the way even the expats do not get a yearly raise in IndiGo.
Blue went to SE Asia and got ZERO pilots for Indigo. Rumour is that he is also likely to go.
If Skybus had not closed down we were a whisker from getting a raise. But first Skybus and now Doc Mallya have again screwed us. If Indigo keeps on getting pilots they will do nothing to our pay.
Another thing about loyalty. Indigo does not want it. A loyal employee stays for more time which eventually increases his cost to the company. Do you think that this company, which wants to save money by not putting on taxi lights during daytime, would like to increase its costs by having to pay employees gratuity and bonuses.
I don't know about the new contract being implemented or not. Eleven weeks on, two weeks off (ask the expats how many times they have had to change their leave plans. It might be Ok for the expats. They go back to see thier families, would you like to sit at home with your kids at school and the good wife at work), flying six days a week, no golden offs to plan for your requirements (you know what asking rostering for an off is like, so don't think that you will be able to manage it once the roster is out, and then why should you beg and plead), a pay increase of Rs 25000 but with a catch. You get it in a lumpsum if you stay in the company for 5 years or more after signing the new contract, what about the time you have already spent with the company. Give me the money and let me invest it as I think fit. Doesn't seem too nice and remember Indigo finally always has an upper hand when it comes to contractual issues. I would be very circumspect and cautious and wary.................
I am sure there are people out there who have more experience and information to share, please do take advantage of being on a no names forum.
Just a word of caution. be very careful about flaps 3 landings, especially in these hot and turbulent conditions near the ground. You are about two degrees of separation from a tail strike. So one check and let the aircraft settle down, let it be firm but be safe. Remember, if you are cost to company to Indigo, what happens. There are already bets being taken as to how many days to the first tail strike.
Happy landings till next time.
No bonus till now> Indigo makes more money by denying you your bonus than by keeping you happy. We don't want to organise ourselves (so many read pprune, but don't feel like contributing on an anonymous site, do you think they will organise and expose themselves), we want to save fuel for the company by doing decelerated approaches even when the company says do stabilised approaches, we want to be environmentally conscious goody goody green boys and girls. Do you think you deserve a bonus. Even in this time of recession most companies have paid out bonuses and sops and raises, maybe smaller ones than usual so that they can retain people for the time when the markets improve and people have more oppurtunities to jump ship (if you read The Economic Times regularly you would know what I am talking about). But IndiGo knows that we don't deserve a bonus or any thing else.
The reason you don't get a yearly pay hike is that you are not permanent employees of the company but are on contract. However, my contract is open ended, i.e., it does not have to be renewed every few years unlike the expat contract. So doesn't this make me permanent. There have been more so called permanent employees who have left the company than the contractual ones. We all know the turnover on the ground is much faster than for us. Expats and others, correct me if I am wrong, but when you join Emirates, Ethihad or any other airline are you not on contract. Then why do they get a raise every year and not IndiGo pilots. By the way even the expats do not get a yearly raise in IndiGo.
Blue went to SE Asia and got ZERO pilots for Indigo. Rumour is that he is also likely to go.
If Skybus had not closed down we were a whisker from getting a raise. But first Skybus and now Doc Mallya have again screwed us. If Indigo keeps on getting pilots they will do nothing to our pay.
Another thing about loyalty. Indigo does not want it. A loyal employee stays for more time which eventually increases his cost to the company. Do you think that this company, which wants to save money by not putting on taxi lights during daytime, would like to increase its costs by having to pay employees gratuity and bonuses.
I don't know about the new contract being implemented or not. Eleven weeks on, two weeks off (ask the expats how many times they have had to change their leave plans. It might be Ok for the expats. They go back to see thier families, would you like to sit at home with your kids at school and the good wife at work), flying six days a week, no golden offs to plan for your requirements (you know what asking rostering for an off is like, so don't think that you will be able to manage it once the roster is out, and then why should you beg and plead), a pay increase of Rs 25000 but with a catch. You get it in a lumpsum if you stay in the company for 5 years or more after signing the new contract, what about the time you have already spent with the company. Give me the money and let me invest it as I think fit. Doesn't seem too nice and remember Indigo finally always has an upper hand when it comes to contractual issues. I would be very circumspect and cautious and wary.................
I am sure there are people out there who have more experience and information to share, please do take advantage of being on a no names forum.
Just a word of caution. be very careful about flaps 3 landings, especially in these hot and turbulent conditions near the ground. You are about two degrees of separation from a tail strike. So one check and let the aircraft settle down, let it be firm but be safe. Remember, if you are cost to company to Indigo, what happens. There are already bets being taken as to how many days to the first tail strike.
Happy landings till next time.
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hi flying solo...i am begining to like your posts...consice and hitting the nail on the head..i am pretty well versed with Indigo and know their attitute..don't fret too much cause this too shall pass..market is sure to recover some time or the other...can you tell me a little more about this new contract that they have offered.
Don,t agree with you on flap 3 landings though..I am sure you know that airbus recommends flaps 3 in turbulence/windshaer like conditions.i feel they are equally safe...just takes some getting used to,,,. Most airlines in india flying the same equipment do flap 3 ldgs...Oh..BTW is indigo into single engine taxi yet or not?
Don,t agree with you on flap 3 landings though..I am sure you know that airbus recommends flaps 3 in turbulence/windshaer like conditions.i feel they are equally safe...just takes some getting used to,,,. Most airlines in india flying the same equipment do flap 3 ldgs...Oh..BTW is indigo into single engine taxi yet or not?
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flying solo!SET in has been on for quite a while now. People have got calls from higher up for not having done a SET at designated airports.
SET out rumored to be arriving soon.
Flap 3 + Reverse idle = Let's burn them brakes!!
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It's a dangerous culture that is being set from what I see.If you begin to pressurise crew into conducting Flap 3 and Reverse Idle landings , there could be a day when even if it is actually required to do a flap full and max reverse landing ,the crew may be reluctant to do it...they might fear being pulled up by the management.This generally leads to a situation wherein the crew stop thinking and just start following what's given to them blindly.I firmly believe that as a PIC , you should have the freedom to deviate from SOPs as and when required and not be pulled up for it.If a PIC does it repeatedly then he is wilfully violating company SOPs.But if it is a one of thing based on circumstance and safety has not been compromised , then the company should respect it.The same goes for deciding the fuel.Certain carriers around the world maintain a passive monitoring of a PICs fuel management through the year.He is only pulled up if his average is high.....hell why are we paid so much...we're there to make decisions in a dynamic environment
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F/O Command Upgrade
Any truth to the rumor that Indigo hired some 10 Indian F/O's with ATPL and 3000 Jet Time approx for Direct Entry Command Upgrade ?
No speculation , requesting only first hand info ..
Thank you ..
No speculation , requesting only first hand info ..
Thank you ..
new rumor in the air