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Old 3rd Mar 2009, 09:43
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Korean Air

"Korean Air is currently increasing their numbers of Expat First Officers, this is a great opportunity to join a World Class airline and become part of the established community of Expat First Officers currently enjoying the benefits of this commuting contract. Home bases are available in the UK, US and other worldwide locations."

Anybody has some advice? Interview gauges, basic salary, etc...

anything will be appreciated!

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Old 3rd Mar 2009, 09:52
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Where did you find that info? There is a lot of info on this forum, but its all about ex-pat captains. A lot on the 777 and 74. What kind of time are they asking for, for F/Os?
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Old 3rd Mar 2009, 10:01
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Old 3rd Mar 2009, 10:31
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If you apply with Rishworth or Direct personell, after they get your CV and they consider you qualified, then they send you the details.
It is roughtly 6500$ month plus max 1000 per diem, overtime over 65 but you not often overtime. 18 days on tour there in korea and nearby countries and 10 days home, with 2 days travel to and from you home. they pay for it on a confirmed basis. Business to go to work, economy to come back.
Insurance available to be taken from your basic salary that i showed above.
They are looking, but the FOs already in arent flying yet, the process is slow.
They put their minimum hours request way down since last year, dont know why, i guess the prospect to be FO forever with them with no upgrade isnt good for most.

that is all i know.

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Old 5th Mar 2009, 04:28
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If you apply to KAL,2 agencies are above the others .GAP and CCLaviation and forget the rest.They are both really helpfull during the selection process and THEREAFTER as well.Good luck..
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Old 5th Mar 2009, 15:36
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do you have any useful gauges for the KAL interview?

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Old 5th Mar 2009, 15:56
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Is there any KAL 777 pilots who have successfully passed KAL requirements in the last 3 months on this forum?
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Old 5th Mar 2009, 19:35
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I know someone, close friend, passed the interview and the 777 course then failed the the fcl. Said the line indoc was supid and the Kal check and trainers were a big joke ( very full of themselves ).
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"Said the line indoc was supid and the Kal check and trainers were a big joke (very full of themselves)".
With this kind of attitude, it must be easy for him to get a better job...
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Old 6th Mar 2009, 06:57
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would you recommend KAL to your best friend?
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Old 6th Mar 2009, 17:24
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Is there anyway of applying to KAL without having to use a recruitment agency ?

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Old 7th Mar 2009, 00:14
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would you recommend KAL to your best friend?"

Yes I would. It is the best commuting job available anywhere. All you have to do is try to understand (and respect) the cultural differences, especially during training. Once you're finished it is just as any other airline (and probably better than many).

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Old 7th Mar 2009, 03:57
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I have just finished the sim/med/interview.
330 FO are paid 7000 US a month and that is after your insurance.
777 FO are paid 8000 and 747 are paid 9000. 737get 6200 or so.
You get 9 days off at home and you can add 2 vacation days to that.
I agree that if you just make a effort with the culture you will do fine.
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Old 7th Mar 2009, 07:47
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To my knowledge, most all of the former SIA capt's that have left Singapore and gone to KAL (for the great US/Canada commuting contract) have made it thru their training process successfully while watching several other western airline only experienced captain classmates fail. Having a similar asian training experience and the subsequent flying under your belt is almost mandatory to make it thru KAL it seems. Those leaving SIA for KAL included several former DAL guys and they did fine while other DAL guy's with identical western flying backgrounds but no asian experience have had a miserable time getting past the KAL training. Food for thought.....
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Old 8th Mar 2009, 01:28
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Hello to the KAL guys, I have an interview for a B737 PIC position in April through CCL and have a few questions about how the contract works to those who are in the know.

I am currently flying a BBJ, G-IV, and a Challenger for a private company that is shutting down their flight department like most of them here in the US. I have 1500 hours as a PIC on the BBJ. I was laid off from Delta way back in 2001 and have not been interested in working for an airline again, but the KAL contarct is rather appealing to me. I would get more time off than I get now, and I enjoy flying in Asia, and have experience in that part of the world.

1) What is the schedule like while you are on duty? Is it 6 on 1 off or something else? How are the schedules built? Do you get a reserve line for a bit, or do you get a real line right off the bat?

2) I plan to take the 11 days off option, how many days do they give you to commute? I will be using ATL as my base, and heard that you get 3 days, 2 to travel to work, a 1 to get home, but just want to get the real number from someone who knows.

3) I understand that they put you up at the Hyatt while at base, what types of ammenities do they offer if any? Do you guys get free breakfast, free internet? The Internet would be the best freebe

4) Does the company issue a cell phone for company use, or do you need to get one yourself? How do they normally contact you?

5) Who pays for the business class tickets? Does the cotractor (CCL) in my case pay for the ticket, or does KAL put you on a positive space business class ticket to/from your base? I ask this because I am interested if you guys collect FF miles, I am platinum medalion on Delta with about 900,000 miles in my account and am just wondering since KAL is a skyteam member. This would be a huge bonus to this contract, if not are there ways to get the miles?

Thanks for the answers in advance
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Old 8th Mar 2009, 01:42
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Don't you have recall rights at DAL via their contract? If you were a former DAL pilot but then furloughed, why not go back there instead of taking the risk of the training at KAL? A no-brainer....go back to DAL
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Old 8th Mar 2009, 07:09
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Its a no brainer that the pay at DAL would suck if I went back, and the fact that I would not upgrade for maybe another 10 years, going to KAL would be a NO BRAINER, why do you think that I have not gone back yet? I enjoyed the MONEY that I made at my current job, and domestic flying in the US is BORING, I was laid off the same year I was hired, do the math

Look, Please, only reply with an honest answer to my question, not some stupid remark like why I don't go back to DAL

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Old 8th Mar 2009, 10:52
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Let me see if I can help....

1) What is the schedule like while you are on duty? Is it 6 on 1 off or something else? How are the schedules built? Do you get a reserve line for a bit, or do you get a real line right off the bat?
We are now working almost every day with the statutory minimum of "24 hrs free of duty once every seven days".

2) I plan to take the 11 days off option, how many days do they give you to commute? I will be using ATL as my base, and heard that you get 3 days, 2 to travel to work, a 1 to get home, but just want to get the real number from someone who knows.
You get 2 days to commute, on the 737 fleet, 3 days on all other fleets

3) I understand that they put you up at the Hyatt while at base, what types of ammenities do they offer if any? Do you guys get free breakfast, free internet? The Internet would be the best freebe
Hyatt is correct. Nothing is FREE, but meals are discounted by 50%. The internet is available free in the crew lounges otherwise it is KRW5500 per 24Hrs (Approx. USD3.50). Most layover hotels the internet is free.

4) Does the company issue a cell phone for company use, or do you need to get one yourself? How do they normally contact you?
No the company doesn't issue cellphones. If they need to speak to you they will call you in your room, or normally they will call the FO who will then call you. Changes to your roster are rare, and I usually just tell them to put the change on the internet and I will check it.

5) Who pays for the business class tickets? Does the cotractor (CCL) in my case pay for the ticket, or does KAL put you on a positive space business class ticket to/from your base? I ask this because I am interested if you guys collect FF miles, I am platinum medalion on Delta with about 900,000 miles in my account and am just wondering since KAL is a skyteam member. This would be a huge bonus to this contract, if not are there ways to get the miles?
For the interview the company provide you with the tickets, and you pay any taxes and try and get them back. Once employed you are positioned to and from work in business class, upgradable to first. You travel as extra crew and are subject to the same conditions and limitations as if you were actually operating.

Hope that helps

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Old 8th Mar 2009, 11:20
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737 Fo

What are the chances to get interview for FO with 3000 TT plus with 600 hours on 737 EFIS
Thanks in Advance
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Old 8th Mar 2009, 11:38
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I believe 737 is 1000TT and 300+ on type. Check out the agencies to confirm, choices I think are CCL, GAP aviation, Rishworth, directpersonnel and there may be others.
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