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707...the short answer to why people are staying with an airline is: It is the perceived best job available for you at a given time, considering private life, salary, career outlook, challenges etc.
That goes for you, me and the rest of the guys, but we are all having different priorities, hence the different choices. You can have a secure job in a national or major flag carrier with a slow, steady carrier or you can apply for glitz and glamour in an upstart airline who has ordered 1000 A380s. Again, if it is within range of airlines available to you (and that may not include the really nice ones for various reasons).
Interestingly, nowhere else in the world have you ever seen pilots "shopping around" so intensely as in the last 10 years in India (hence the law) the reason being the tremendous devellopment in the Indian civil aviation. And never - not even in the haydays of jet aviation in the 60īs US - did you see pilots trying to shortcut the carreer ladder so fast on such limited experience as in India today. The IATA historical average for F/O time before command is 10years+ and some western countries have had a "waste" ratio (i.e. CPL holders who never got a permanent job) of 80%+.
So, compared to the rest of the world, you are SPOILED
, and the widespread dream of getting rid of the experienced (expat) pilots just illustrates exactly HOW spoiled you are. You may not have figured out yet that the reason KFA is upgrading the F/Os via the ATR is not to treat them unjust, but that it is the only way the company is able to man the left ATR seats once the expat captains are forced out. Why? Because it is considered undesirable for the local holder of a still wet ALTP to touch anything smaller than an A320 
(just read a few posts up)!
All this has also to do with the hopefully soon upcoming wetlease of a presently redundant A330. This lease is probably the single most important operational improvement of the current KFA situation and will require 16+pilots.
Do you for 1 second believe that the owners (not KFA) will allow their asset to be operated only by low-hours-on-type pilots who have never been outside India + Hounslow? And what can KFA do about it?? You try to figure that out. And the bunch of hustlers kindly known as "expat contract pilots" ?? Will they smell a suddenly improved negotiating environment?? U bet!! So you put yourself in the shoes of KFA management and give us the safe, cheap and lasting solution to this little problem and post it here, please..
. (Nooo, just kidding...Of course all the KFA WB TREs or whatever will love to fly to the worst asshole place in the world 24/7 and KFA can always hire a few more highly experienced captains on a local, Indian contract, no sweat..).
And btw, pls answer this: Now that you are a 707Lover, do you know where to find Lower 41, or are you just another Wannabe???
Brgds Capt. Turbo, Lower 41 with lovely Sasha
That goes for you, me and the rest of the guys, but we are all having different priorities, hence the different choices. You can have a secure job in a national or major flag carrier with a slow, steady carrier or you can apply for glitz and glamour in an upstart airline who has ordered 1000 A380s. Again, if it is within range of airlines available to you (and that may not include the really nice ones for various reasons).
Interestingly, nowhere else in the world have you ever seen pilots "shopping around" so intensely as in the last 10 years in India (hence the law) the reason being the tremendous devellopment in the Indian civil aviation. And never - not even in the haydays of jet aviation in the 60īs US - did you see pilots trying to shortcut the carreer ladder so fast on such limited experience as in India today. The IATA historical average for F/O time before command is 10years+ and some western countries have had a "waste" ratio (i.e. CPL holders who never got a permanent job) of 80%+.
So, compared to the rest of the world, you are SPOILED
, and the widespread dream of getting rid of the experienced (expat) pilots just illustrates exactly HOW spoiled you are. You may not have figured out yet that the reason KFA is upgrading the F/Os via the ATR is not to treat them unjust, but that it is the only way the company is able to man the left ATR seats once the expat captains are forced out. Why? Because it is considered undesirable for the local holder of a still wet ALTP to touch anything smaller than an A320 (just read a few posts up)!All this has also to do with the hopefully soon upcoming wetlease of a presently redundant A330. This lease is probably the single most important operational improvement of the current KFA situation and will require 16+pilots.
Do you for 1 second believe that the owners (not KFA) will allow their asset to be operated only by low-hours-on-type pilots who have never been outside India + Hounslow? And what can KFA do about it?? You try to figure that out. And the bunch of hustlers kindly known as "expat contract pilots" ?? Will they smell a suddenly improved negotiating environment?? U bet!! So you put yourself in the shoes of KFA management and give us the safe, cheap and lasting solution to this little problem and post it here, please..
. (Nooo, just kidding...Of course all the KFA WB TREs or whatever will love to fly to the worst asshole place in the world 24/7 and KFA can always hire a few more highly experienced captains on a local, Indian contract, no sweat..).And btw, pls answer this: Now that you are a 707Lover, do you know where to find Lower 41, or are you just another Wannabe???
Brgds Capt. Turbo, Lower 41 with lovely Sasha
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707lover,
don't be so condescending.
I don't have a problem, the providers do. They appreciate being paid for their services.
What former company are you talking about and where is here?
ZFT:At your age you should not be complaining
what's your problem about the "suppliers"
was is better in your former company?If yes,what are you still doing here??
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707, you are another wannabie... Aren't you??? Because a "professional pilot" would never say that...
I think, that at your age, it would be really nice if you think before you post here...
I think, that at your age, it would be really nice if you think before you post here...
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Saw VJ's 319 in Nice today!
I swear I saw the cabin chock full of drums of Jet A1! Or was it Formula 1 motor spirit! Or..........!
I wonder how he's going to get out of Nice when they present his bill for payment!
I swear I saw the cabin chock full of drums of Jet A1! Or was it Formula 1 motor spirit! Or..........!
I wonder how he's going to get out of Nice when they present his bill for payment!
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Kingfisher firms five-A350 order in otherwise bleak April
this happens to long haul plans
Kingfisher firms five-A350 order in otherwise bleak April
this happens to long haul plans
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Well I must say that Dr.VJM never ceases to amaze me.Can anyone fill me in on the latest goings on in KFA ????From the last I heard they face an exodus of crew and are returning quite a few aircraft....but was watching the IPL recently and saw the marketing blitz of KFA over there...watching that you get the impression that he's on some major expansion spree...
Cannot believe KFA has paid for anything.
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Brazilian authorities to lift foreign ownership cap on airlines
Rainer Uphoff (28May09, 14:01 GMT, 188 words)
Brazil is preparing to raise its current 20% cap on foreign airline ownership to 49% in a process which could become law before the end of this year.
A source from the defence ministry, which is politically responsible for civil aviation in Brazil, says a legislative proposal will be presented to the federal parliament "within a couple of months".
Initial drafts of the proposal have been tentatively accepted by the civil aviation administration, ANAC, and the defence ministry's consultative civil aviation secretary, SAC.
While no final date for the parliamentary hearings has yet been set, the ministry source expects no political resistance to the law.
"[It] allows Brazilian airlines to get better access to international capital while not giving up local control over a strategic sector," he says.
Brazil's airline industry has recently attracted a number of foreign, mainly US-based investors, some of which - such as US investment fund MatlinPatterson's acquisition of VarigLog and Varig - have faced legal problems.
Other recent investments in the sector include US carrier SkyWest's stake in TRIP Linhas Aereas and JetBlue Airways founder David Neeleman's involvement in start-up regional operator Azul.
This is the only way to salvage the Indian aviation industry...the Brazilians have made leaps and bounds in aviation..while the Indian aviation industry sits and collects dust...it needs to be opened up just like IT industry...
Rainer Uphoff (28May09, 14:01 GMT, 188 words)
Brazil is preparing to raise its current 20% cap on foreign airline ownership to 49% in a process which could become law before the end of this year.
A source from the defence ministry, which is politically responsible for civil aviation in Brazil, says a legislative proposal will be presented to the federal parliament "within a couple of months".
Initial drafts of the proposal have been tentatively accepted by the civil aviation administration, ANAC, and the defence ministry's consultative civil aviation secretary, SAC.
While no final date for the parliamentary hearings has yet been set, the ministry source expects no political resistance to the law.
"[It] allows Brazilian airlines to get better access to international capital while not giving up local control over a strategic sector," he says.
Brazil's airline industry has recently attracted a number of foreign, mainly US-based investors, some of which - such as US investment fund MatlinPatterson's acquisition of VarigLog and Varig - have faced legal problems.
Other recent investments in the sector include US carrier SkyWest's stake in TRIP Linhas Aereas and JetBlue Airways founder David Neeleman's involvement in start-up regional operator Azul.
This is the only way to salvage the Indian aviation industry...the Brazilians have made leaps and bounds in aviation..while the Indian aviation industry sits and collects dust...it needs to be opened up just like IT industry...
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That's a good post Left Wing and I fully agree.But if you recall , in the early 90s when the aviation sector was opening up in India, there was no clear policy on foreign airline ownership for Indian carriers and Jet Airways was 20% owned by Gulf Air and 20% owned by Kuwait Airways.It had a technical support agreement with Malaysia Airlines at that time.When TATA was planning to come in with a partnership with SIA , Jet lobbied for the rule to be implemented and it has remained that way since.Today both Jet Airways and KF desperately want the rule to be rewritten but if they it now , it would be disastrous for Air India....I doubt if the government will let that happen...we'll have to just wait and watch..
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there is already a cap of 49% FDI in the civil aviation sector in india... i believe since a while now. hasnt wilbur ross invested some $80 million in spicejet??
The difference here is that, foreign airlines are not allowed to invest in the domestic carriers. although, our airlines are lobbying the ministry to allow this, and looks like the new government has some plans to either increase fdi to the 70% range or even allow foreign airlines to invest in our debt ridden domestic low cost airlines...
The difference here is that, foreign airlines are not allowed to invest in the domestic carriers. although, our airlines are lobbying the ministry to allow this, and looks like the new government has some plans to either increase fdi to the 70% range or even allow foreign airlines to invest in our debt ridden domestic low cost airlines...
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as per my understanding goes the government previously did allow fdi upto 49% but international airlines were restricted to this. the new government has hinted to allowing foreign airlines now to get in on the 49% fdi . to be declared during budget....
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Yes the present regulations permit equity participation in Indian carriers to varying degrees based on wether it's a pax , cargo or chopper operation.But the part ownership of foreign carriers is still not permitted.The last attempt of a foreign airline investment in India was with the Indian governement blessings when SIA tried for 26% stake in Air India.That didn't happen for various reasons.However this time around if they do permit foreign airline ownership , that would almost certainly be the end of Air India as a government airline at least...