If you want to work in China..!!
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Droste:
Run, do not walk, to the door. Run from the airline. Run from the contract agency. Do not look back at either.
Chinese airlines are "sniping" pilots from other Chinese airlines, at great cost. They are paying the airline to "release" their license to work for them. I have heard this is between 1-2 million RMB, 130,000 to 260, 000 USD. They are paying expats 3-6 months to sit and do nothing to get them qualified to fly. The fee you are referring to is a scam. Maybe it is a company, or contract agency, trying to recoup some of their money. Or most probably, just a scam.
No foreign pilot pays a dime to work here. Unless of course they get a QAR. LOL
Run. As fast as you can.
Run, do not walk, to the door. Run from the airline. Run from the contract agency. Do not look back at either.
Chinese airlines are "sniping" pilots from other Chinese airlines, at great cost. They are paying the airline to "release" their license to work for them. I have heard this is between 1-2 million RMB, 130,000 to 260, 000 USD. They are paying expats 3-6 months to sit and do nothing to get them qualified to fly. The fee you are referring to is a scam. Maybe it is a company, or contract agency, trying to recoup some of their money. Or most probably, just a scam.
No foreign pilot pays a dime to work here. Unless of course they get a QAR. LOL
Run. As fast as you can.
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Never in over 5 years of flying in the middle kingdom (at two companies) have i heard of a pilot paying money for the licence verification. When i applied to the UK CAA, i had to pay the UK CAAC about 14UK pounds, to get a letter saying my licence was real and giving the CAAC (china) permission to contact the CAA to check- upon giving the airline the receipt for 14 UK pounds the company gave me the money back as expenses. I paid nothing in China, the airline should and does pay for anything you need to do in China that is licence, training or visa related.
Which airline and agency is it? Name and shame!!
Which airline and agency is it? Name and shame!!
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Chinese/China Work Visa
I have queries about applying China work visa. Do we really need to produce no criminal conviction record?For those who recently applied work visa, do you need to produce medical report in your home country prior for visa application?Next, if I were to enter China using Chinese business visa, can my visa be converted to work visa?
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Hi Droste,
Yes, you must produce original copy of no criminal record certificate notarized by the Chinese Embassy in your country. Generally the VISA Medical is done in China after your arrival, but you'll have to check with the Chinese Embassy in your country.
Not sure about the business visa (F vsa), you'll need to check with your airline.
Yes, you must produce original copy of no criminal record certificate notarized by the Chinese Embassy in your country. Generally the VISA Medical is done in China after your arrival, but you'll have to check with the Chinese Embassy in your country.
Not sure about the business visa (F vsa), you'll need to check with your airline.
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Originally Posted by stevieboy
Yes, you must produce original copy of no criminal record certificate notarized by the Chinese Embassy in your country.
Originally Posted by stevieboy
Generally the VISA Medical is done in China after your arrival, but you\'ll have to check with the Chinese Embassy in your country.
Originally Posted by stevieboy
Not sure about the business visa (F vsa), you\'ll need to check with your airline.
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Originally Posted by Droste
Thank you for enlightening. May I know are they going to keep my original copy of no criminal record certificate?
Thank you for enlightening. May I know are they going to keep my original copy of no criminal record certificate?
The Chinese embassy requires work visa applicants to undergo visa medical. Therefore, I have to bare the medical cost (it is costly) and company is unlikely to foot the bill.
I have heard that some people have done this (converting to Z visa) without leaving China.
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Just a pilot
My friend,
There is a airline company named Vietnam Airlines that offer a chance to first office up grade to captain at the end of the first contract. You can try it via parcaviation.com or rishworthaviation.com. Good lock
Just a pilot
There is a airline company named Vietnam Airlines that offer a chance to first office up grade to captain at the end of the first contract. You can try it via parcaviation.com or rishworthaviation.com. Good lock
Just a pilot
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Hi pilots/jobfighters in China,
Will you guys (and maybe womens) recommend foreigners to take their Flight Training in China? It is really booming business over there, so it is quite growing! Very fast too! If a foreigner wants to fly in China, for a major (is the goal of the student), will you guys recommend to take the flight training over here in China?
I did find a lot of Flight Training centrums over there, but de CAFUC sounded the most attractive to me! It was one of the academies showing a little bit of professionalism, and I have read that is 'the best' Flight Academy in China..
You guys can give some of the wannabes advice for China?
Thankss!!
Will you guys (and maybe womens) recommend foreigners to take their Flight Training in China? It is really booming business over there, so it is quite growing! Very fast too! If a foreigner wants to fly in China, for a major (is the goal of the student), will you guys recommend to take the flight training over here in China?
I did find a lot of Flight Training centrums over there, but de CAFUC sounded the most attractive to me! It was one of the academies showing a little bit of professionalism, and I have read that is 'the best' Flight Academy in China..
You guys can give some of the wannabes advice for China?
Thankss!!
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I have a question.
I applied to an airline recently and I was told to pay RMB10,000 for foreign licence verification fee. (Those who have applied should know which airline I am referring to)
May I know is this a norm for airlline to do this?
This is a scam for sure!
I have a question.
I applied to an airline recently and I was told to pay RMB10,000 for foreign licence verification fee. (Those who have applied should know which airline I am referring to)
May I know is this a norm for airlline to do this?
This is a scam for sure!
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Originally Posted by captain.weird
Will you guys (and maybe womens) recommend foreigners to take their Flight Training in China?
Originally Posted by captain.weird
If a foreigner wants to fly in China, for a major (is the goal of the student), will you guys recommend to take the flight training over here in China?
Originally Posted by captain.weird
It is really booming business over there, so it is quite growing! Very fast too!
There are lots of cute jets, but I can assure you that these expensive toys are going to display in some expensive hangars for the next 5-10years.
Originally Posted by captain.weird
I did find a lot of Flight Training centrums over there, but de CAFUC sounded the most attractive to me! It was one of the academies showing a little bit of professionalism, and I have read that is 'the best' Flight Academy in China..
The entire sky is still controlled by the military. It will still be under control until further notice. There are rumours spreading for years and years that the low altitude will be available for flight training.
There are 1-2 schools conduct flight training, but the ab-initio recruitments are for the Mainlander Chinese not foreigners. The reason is, the airfield belongs to the Air Force.
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I see, but if the flight training in China is so f*cked up.. why are those schools asking $80,000 for the flight training? I've read that CAFUC does the training in 4 years, is that right?
And do foreigners have a chance to roll-in to major airlines as F/O's? Or are we unqualified for those great Chinese population?
And do foreigners have a chance to roll-in to major airlines as F/O's? Or are we unqualified for those great Chinese population?
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Originally Posted by captain.weird
I see, but if the flight training in China is so f*cked up.. why are those schools asking $80,000 for the flight training?
Believe me or not, the flight training schools in China are freaking slow! Inefficient at all.
Now, for the $80,000? It is a peanut to many Mainlander Chinese nowadays. They can easily come out with this sum of money.
You will be surprised, Mainlander Chinese students are flooding the expensive ivy league universities in United Kingdom and United States!
For your further info, There are schools (airlines affliated) in Australia and U.K. charging more than $80K.
Originally Posted by captain.weird
And do foreigners have a chance to roll-in to major airlines as F/O's?
Unfortunately, small airlines are not properly set-up, they have no idea how to do recruitment, how to convert licence, how to advertise, how to process work visa & etc.
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Thanks for the information Droste! I thought that China Southern send their cadets to France right, EPAG I thought..? But didn't they send their cadets to local schools in China?
$80k is nothing in Europe, I now flight training centers which want €100k+ for the flight training, because it is 'integrated', go f*ck yourself.
Thanks for the information, I really appreciate it! Maybe if I'm a workless captain on a day I maybe will apply for a position in China. Without a Chinese passport, forget to work as a F/O there.
$80k is nothing in Europe, I now flight training centers which want €100k+ for the flight training, because it is 'integrated', go f*ck yourself.
Thanks for the information, I really appreciate it! Maybe if I'm a workless captain on a day I maybe will apply for a position in China. Without a Chinese passport, forget to work as a F/O there.
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Application into small airlines
@captain.weird, Chinese Airlines sent their cadets all over the place. E.g. United States, Australia and etc.
Those small airlines are looking for pilots! It does not matter you are rated or not. The bad side is, small airlines do not have the resource to convert foreign licence for foreigners.
However, if you miracly has a CAAC Pilot's licence, I bet you are almost one foot step into their cockpit.
Your next question may be, how to get a CAAC Pilot's licence, right?
Those small airlines are looking for pilots! It does not matter you are rated or not. The bad side is, small airlines do not have the resource to convert foreign licence for foreigners.
However, if you miracly has a CAAC Pilot's licence, I bet you are almost one foot step into their cockpit.
Your next question may be, how to get a CAAC Pilot's licence, right?
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@ Droste
I wouldn't agree with you 100%; well, at least not yet.
I have a CAAC Comm. Multi Inst with 2,500TT, 1,000 ME but not turbine or type. Sent e-mails to recruiters and airlines directly, but haven't heard too much from them. I'm thinking about taking your advice and going knocking on their doors to see if that turns heads.
We'll just have to see.
I wouldn't agree with you 100%; well, at least not yet.
I have a CAAC Comm. Multi Inst with 2,500TT, 1,000 ME but not turbine or type. Sent e-mails to recruiters and airlines directly, but haven't heard too much from them. I'm thinking about taking your advice and going knocking on their doors to see if that turns heads.
We'll just have to see.
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Hi Droste, haha yeah the CAAC License, and that license you only gain of a local flight school which the professionals like you sir are saying that it isn't worth it.
The reason for me to check out the possibility in China is, because China is growing very, very fast. It is really booming business what I've already said. In the next couple of years their will be cheap flight training in China, and it will explode. I think, and read some stuff, that China is going to produce a lot of pilots in the coming 20+ years. So I thought, getting in to a (major) Chinese airline is a very big step. But that step, is for a foreigner like me, not really logical. But is it possible, after learning the language, to get accepted at a major airline?
But Mandarin, sir I have very much respect for you, but that language is
. F*ck*n* hard!!
What would you sir recommend to do? NO CHINA?
The reason for me to check out the possibility in China is, because China is growing very, very fast. It is really booming business what I've already said. In the next couple of years their will be cheap flight training in China, and it will explode. I think, and read some stuff, that China is going to produce a lot of pilots in the coming 20+ years. So I thought, getting in to a (major) Chinese airline is a very big step. But that step, is for a foreigner like me, not really logical. But is it possible, after learning the language, to get accepted at a major airline?
But Mandarin, sir I have very much respect for you, but that language is
. F*ck*n* hard!!What would you sir recommend to do? NO CHINA?