Air Macau-money trouble
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Air Macau New Pilot Pay
Is it true that with all the training costs involved in being a new hire FO you only take home about 8000mop (1000USD) per month for the first year or there abouts?
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Does anyone know what happened in the famous meeting where all the shareholders were going to meet and save the day. Now no word from anybody, even the newspapers in Macau run by Portuguese mercenaries. Did Mr CEO pay them to shut up or is it all over.
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It was postponed due to lack of interest from the current management (or should I say lack of options on what to put forward as a possible solution to the current crisis).
No new date has been set yet. Most likely they are hoping that Air China will be too busy until after the Olympic Games for a new meeting.
However, by that time it will be probably too late for recovery.
Even though fuel prices have been decreasing world wide - in China the government has decrease the fuel subsides which does not help NX.
Regarding the promised new routes to save money, that would only cover a few of NX flights (towards PVG area) and that would not make a big impact in the overall situation of the company.
No new date has been set yet. Most likely they are hoping that Air China will be too busy until after the Olympic Games for a new meeting.
However, by that time it will be probably too late for recovery.
Even though fuel prices have been decreasing world wide - in China the government has decrease the fuel subsides which does not help NX.
Regarding the promised new routes to save money, that would only cover a few of NX flights (towards PVG area) and that would not make a big impact in the overall situation of the company.
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...after that brazilian Instructor resign, one portugese F/O , one Brazilian F/O and now this french F/O (text message confirm from a Captain) in the last week, Air Macau will die: not due to the fuel cost, not due to the straight flights, not due to the bad management, but only due to a lack of crew!
We know, more and more guys will run from AMU...
AMU is hoping to get a wet lease from Air China, AMU is getting , for sure, one more airplane from Qatar (S/n 520 or earlier)....
It's time to ....run or die!
We know, more and more guys will run from AMU...
AMU is hoping to get a wet lease from Air China, AMU is getting , for sure, one more airplane from Qatar (S/n 520 or earlier)....
It's time to ....run or die!
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Cp Leaving Soon
NEW INFORMATIONS STATE THAT OUR CP IS GETTING TIRED OF FIGHTING AGAINS PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO FIX PROBLEMS....
DOES ANYONE HEAR ABOUT THIS? I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF US GET TOGHETER AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP OURSELVES, CAUSE BLAMING EACH OTHER OR DIVIDING THE GROUP AS PORTUGUESES, OR BRAZILIANS OR WHATEVER IS NOT HELOING AT ALL... AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CRAPS COME FROM ALL NATIONALITIES... I ASK ALL OF YOU TO USE THIS FORUM TO DISCUSS AND FIND SOLUTIONS, INSTEAD OF OFFENDING EACH OTHER... AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT, AND IT'S FROM AIR MACAU THAT OUR FOOD GETS TO OUR TABLES. A GOOD START IS NOT RENEWING CONTRACTS OF THOSE EVERYBODY KNOWS ARE TROUBLEMAKERS... LET'S GET TOGHETER PEOPLE, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. CONGRATULATIONS TO CP,VPFO,MAINTENANCE AND MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AVIATORS THAT ARE HOLDING THIS THING TOGHETER, DESPITE THE BAD WEATHER WE ARE IN...SHAME ON THOSE WHO ONLY COMPLAINS BUT FOR SOME REASON DON'T LEAVE...
DOES ANYONE HEAR ABOUT THIS? I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF US GET TOGHETER AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP OURSELVES, CAUSE BLAMING EACH OTHER OR DIVIDING THE GROUP AS PORTUGUESES, OR BRAZILIANS OR WHATEVER IS NOT HELOING AT ALL... AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CRAPS COME FROM ALL NATIONALITIES... I ASK ALL OF YOU TO USE THIS FORUM TO DISCUSS AND FIND SOLUTIONS, INSTEAD OF OFFENDING EACH OTHER... AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT, AND IT'S FROM AIR MACAU THAT OUR FOOD GETS TO OUR TABLES. A GOOD START IS NOT RENEWING CONTRACTS OF THOSE EVERYBODY KNOWS ARE TROUBLEMAKERS... LET'S GET TOGHETER PEOPLE, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. CONGRATULATIONS TO CP,VPFO,MAINTENANCE AND MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AVIATORS THAT ARE HOLDING THIS THING TOGHETER, DESPITE THE BAD WEATHER WE ARE IN...SHAME ON THOSE WHO ONLY COMPLAINS BUT FOR SOME REASON DON'T LEAVE...
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Excellent idea, we could use this forum to list the names of all those that complain, bad mouth others, but when the time comes to prove their ability they whimper away and disappear.
We all know a few examples over the years:
1. There was one that enter alpha lock but didn't know how to get out of it.
2. Squawk 7500 for passenger not getting off the aircraft.
3. Demanding the tower to allow him to land on RWY 34 when the wind component would exceed the 10 kts limitation, even against the F/O wishes.
These same Captains also have a dedicate group of admiring F/O who look up to them and hope to be like them when they become Captains......not.
We all know a few examples over the years:
1. There was one that enter alpha lock but didn't know how to get out of it.
2. Squawk 7500 for passenger not getting off the aircraft.
3. Demanding the tower to allow him to land on RWY 34 when the wind component would exceed the 10 kts limitation, even against the F/O wishes.
These same Captains also have a dedicate group of admiring F/O who look up to them and hope to be like them when they become Captains......not.
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Air Macau fired 7 staff today in Taipei station telling them it was do to poor performance after most of the had been there 2 years. Of course they want them to stay till OCT10 when the high season is over. Also in Macau all the airport staff in 2 at a time we requierdedto go to HQ so they could right the names of 3 staff they like and 3 staff they hate so they can decide who to fire as well.
Great people management skills once again.
Great people management skills once again.
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Air China 2007 profit 4bn RMB. So lets say 2.5bn for 2008 with the fuel price and earthquake. NX losing 500m RMB. So NX=25% of Air China profits this year. Oops. So actually, the real Air China number will now be nearer 2.0bn due to NX.
Air China board meeting was on 26th. If they put money in, they have to cut the airline in half. If so, Mr F and VPFO were probably told this week they have until end Sep to get rid of half of all staff. So previous post about staff losses look about right. It will be an interesting few weeks.
Get your bucket and spade ready...
Air China board meeting was on 26th. If they put money in, they have to cut the airline in half. If so, Mr F and VPFO were probably told this week they have until end Sep to get rid of half of all staff. So previous post about staff losses look about right. It will be an interesting few weeks.
Get your bucket and spade ready...
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And ??? Arrowhead you got this snippet of info from where. Not sure
how your calculations came about. Anyway I am sure it will please you to see them fall.. By the way Alitalia have filed for Bankruptcy today but expect you knew that and the possible restructuring of that company too
hmmm
how your calculations came about. Anyway I am sure it will please you to see them fall.. By the way Alitalia have filed for Bankruptcy today but expect you knew that and the possible restructuring of that company too
hmmm
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Silversurfer. The CEO has placed a hiring freeze at Air Macau for all but pilots. Why. 10 pilot resignations in August alone. Thats why they are hiring. When you lose 10 percent off your active pilot force in a month it says something. In Sept NX will lose another 10 pilots and they better pray that Qatar doesnt start hiring DEC Again because there gonna be in for a big surprise.
As far as the downsizing it has already started, layoffs in Taipei station and Macau airport in progress, the staff in HR is looking into goverment jobs,cabin crews leaving like flys. Koreans and Taiwanese going to Cathy Pacific and chinese girls looking for husbands in J class.
At the end the following will stay.
1. The macanese/chinese there at home and its there airline
2. The Filipinos are close to home.
3. Guys who cant get a medical elseware and who love to eat.
4.Guys whose engilsh is a second language and barely get a 4 on the Icao english test.
5. Guys with extended learning curves.
6. Guys with world famous bad reputations.
7. Guys with less than 1500 hours total time.
8.Guys with extensive real estate investments in Macau and can retire early.
As far as the downsizing it has already started, layoffs in Taipei station and Macau airport in progress, the staff in HR is looking into goverment jobs,cabin crews leaving like flys. Koreans and Taiwanese going to Cathy Pacific and chinese girls looking for husbands in J class.
At the end the following will stay.
1. The macanese/chinese there at home and its there airline
2. The Filipinos are close to home.
3. Guys who cant get a medical elseware and who love to eat.
4.Guys whose engilsh is a second language and barely get a 4 on the Icao english test.
5. Guys with extended learning curves.
6. Guys with world famous bad reputations.
7. Guys with less than 1500 hours total time.
8.Guys with extensive real estate investments in Macau and can retire early.
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So finally, there is no proof ,anywhere, about any money invest by Air China (400m MOP) nor any peanuts given by the Macanese Governement.
I talk with the CP before he went in HK, and he says that he'll not resign...YET!!!
If he do so I hope that Mr Okton will stop immediatly the promotion of Capt F as next CP.
Otherwise, it's going to be a big mess!!!
Capt F phone's will be On around 2pm (after chop-chop), he will forget that he has a flight or a meeting, maybe he will be in a meeting in a casino, or doing a massage.
He will implement new personal SOP, or even worst, new IFR rules....
I hear he ask, during a sim session, the colors of the rain repellent, or the de-Icing product...One day he'll ask the colour of the CEO underwear or the DRH (some can answer for sure).
One good one was about the T/O flex temperature for one engine take off (nothing to do with a V1 cut)!
Please Mr Okton, you are our last barrier before the desaster! Save our asses!
I need to get 300h, more, on type before resigning!
I hear one young Captain resign, to join Jetstar... some new f/os already passed the screening with Qatar, Gulf,Tiger,...
They just wait for the date ! And for sure more Captains!
Mr D, don't inform the pilots about the situation of the company, and you'll get more resignation letter on your desk every morning.
But you look still ,not suprised.
I'm just waiting for airplane grounded and flight cancel due to a lack of crew...and will see you face.
CP will not be able to stop this and he will , for sure , resign.
...more 300h!!!!! Mr Okton don't forget me!
I talk with the CP before he went in HK, and he says that he'll not resign...YET!!!
If he do so I hope that Mr Okton will stop immediatly the promotion of Capt F as next CP.
Otherwise, it's going to be a big mess!!!
Capt F phone's will be On around 2pm (after chop-chop), he will forget that he has a flight or a meeting, maybe he will be in a meeting in a casino, or doing a massage.
He will implement new personal SOP, or even worst, new IFR rules....
I hear he ask, during a sim session, the colors of the rain repellent, or the de-Icing product...One day he'll ask the colour of the CEO underwear or the DRH (some can answer for sure).
One good one was about the T/O flex temperature for one engine take off (nothing to do with a V1 cut)!
Please Mr Okton, you are our last barrier before the desaster! Save our asses!
I need to get 300h, more, on type before resigning!
I hear one young Captain resign, to join Jetstar... some new f/os already passed the screening with Qatar, Gulf,Tiger,...
They just wait for the date ! And for sure more Captains!
Mr D, don't inform the pilots about the situation of the company, and you'll get more resignation letter on your desk every morning.
But you look still ,not suprised.
I'm just waiting for airplane grounded and flight cancel due to a lack of crew...and will see you face.
CP will not be able to stop this and he will , for sure , resign.
...more 300h!!!!! Mr Okton don't forget me!
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Sorry Bunch
OK GUYS, I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT YOU ARE ALL CRAZY... YOU BETTER SEEK FOR MEDICAL ADVISE...YOU ARE WORSE THAN LAVADEIRAS... AND I AM TALKING ABOUT ALL OF YOU... YOU KNOW WHAT, ? I HOPE THIS COMPANY SHUT DOWN SO I CAN SEE YOU SELLING BIBLES OR ENCYCLOPEDIAS, CAUSE YOU ARE NOT AVIATORS, BUT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS FOFOQUEIROS...
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Marsu Bestana,
I beleive the bunch of idiots is compose by you only!
Medical attention...good for you!
We just mention here real things, that's it!
But anyway, I never tought about selling bibles...May be a good business!?
Cheers mate!
I beleive the bunch of idiots is compose by you only!
Medical attention...good for you!
We just mention here real things, that's it!
But anyway, I never tought about selling bibles...May be a good business!?
Cheers mate!
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ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE COMPANY, BECAUSE LATER ON WHEN YOU GO FIND ANOTHER JOB AND THEY ASK YOU WHERE YOU COME FROM, IT WILL BE VERY BAD TO SAY YOU COME FROM AN AIRLINE WHOSE PILOTS DISCUSS THEIR PROBLEMS IN A PLACE LIKE THIS. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT WE ALL SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, EITHER LEAVE, OR STRIKE, OR AT LEAST REQUEST A MEETING WITH THE CEO AND GIVE HIM OUR POINT OF VIEW/OPTIONS. BUT BEFORE WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DRAW A PLAN... BUT IT SEEMS NO ONE HAS BALLS TO DO ANYTHING BUT COMPLAIN AND SPREAD RUMORS IN HERE.... DO YOU THINK THIS IS CORRECT? DOES ANYONE HERE DOES? I AM NOT HAPPY AT ALL, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, AS SOON AS IT GETS TOO MUCH FOR ME, I LEAVE. MEANWHILE, I DON'T COMPLAIN, AND IF I DO SO, I GO TO HQ AND TALK TO VPFO OR CP. AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I CHOSE THIS NICK NOT TO OFFEND OUR COLEAGUE, BUT AS A COMPLIMENT, CAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE I SEE SAYING THINGS THAT MATTERS IN THE MEETINGS, THE ONLY ONE I SEE THAT HAVE BALLS. WHAT ABOUT YOU? DO YOU HAVE BALLS, ? CANN YOU LEAVE? ARE U GOOD ENOUGHT TO GET A GOOD JOB? OR YOU ARE ONE OF THE PILOTS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AVIATION BUT AIRMACAU? THINK OF THAT...
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I CHOSE THIS NICK NOT TO OFFEND OUR COLEAGUE, BUT AS A COMPLIMENT, CAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE I SEE SAYING THINGS THAT MATTERS IN THE MEETINGS
Have you not learned that it is absolutely pointless to talk in those meetings, that nothing will ever be decided in them, and they occur only for two reason.
1. to glorify the managers, they like to see that people still find them important enough to actually bother going to the meetings, hence they still feel important.
2. For the idiots that go to them to see that really nothing has happened since the last one.
In fact, the only change in the company in the last 3 years was the publication of the OM, which was basically a copy from a few others, but no doubt a much better than before and the huge debt the company if facing that its increasing probably faster than I'm typing.
Get off your high horse and go make some pizzas or smoke a pipe as these are probably the only friends of the neutered friends of yours.
I'll be leaving you all very soon, so I have made my decision with my brain and not with balls as you seem to prefer.
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Bigbadass...
You really kick some ass around here... Couldn't agree with you more...
Great post...
Best of luck wherever you might be going...
Marsu... Nice idol you picked....
You really kick some ass around here... Couldn't agree with you more...
Great post...
Best of luck wherever you might be going...
Marsu... Nice idol you picked....
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Air China is taking note of Air Macau's problems. And as I have said, Air China will likely push Taiwan to accept Air Macau doing some direct TAiwan/China routes.
ATW Daily News
Air Macau expects to be out of crisis via capital injection, aircraft leases
Thursday September 4, 2008 Air China subsidiary Air Macau plans to request a new capital injection from its stakeholders and lease three A320s/A321s to CA this month in order to alleviate its financial crisis, according to the Macau Daily News. The amount of the cash injection will be determined soon by a stakeholders' conference. CA holds a 51% stake in NX, whose other stakeholders include TAP Portugal's SEAP investment fund (15%), casino company Sociedade de Turismo e Diversoes de Macau (14%), the Macau government and EVA Air.
CA has noted that it would extend "special aid" to NX, including its support in an effort to secure routes across the Taiwan Strait when CAAC allows scheduled service next July. NX reported a first-half net loss in excess of MOP200 million ($24.4 million). Passenger traffic fell 6.4% year-over-year to 1.38 billion RPKs and boardings were down 11.9% to 1 million. Load factor dropped 5.3 points to 70.5% and cargo volume plummeted 34.9% to 53,000 tonnes.
ATW Daily News
ATW Daily News
Air Macau expects to be out of crisis via capital injection, aircraft leases
Thursday September 4, 2008 Air China subsidiary Air Macau plans to request a new capital injection from its stakeholders and lease three A320s/A321s to CA this month in order to alleviate its financial crisis, according to the Macau Daily News. The amount of the cash injection will be determined soon by a stakeholders' conference. CA holds a 51% stake in NX, whose other stakeholders include TAP Portugal's SEAP investment fund (15%), casino company Sociedade de Turismo e Diversoes de Macau (14%), the Macau government and EVA Air.
CA has noted that it would extend "special aid" to NX, including its support in an effort to secure routes across the Taiwan Strait when CAAC allows scheduled service next July. NX reported a first-half net loss in excess of MOP200 million ($24.4 million). Passenger traffic fell 6.4% year-over-year to 1.38 billion RPKs and boardings were down 11.9% to 1 million. Load factor dropped 5.3 points to 70.5% and cargo volume plummeted 34.9% to 53,000 tonnes.
ATW Daily News