For MAS Pilots ONLY Pt.2
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Yea yea young chickos who spot turn on their main wheels.
The main grouses of the older generation is the ungrateful atitude of some of these young punks.
On the 400 already eh...let see how long you last before your next major foul-up.
The main grouses of the older generation is the ungrateful atitude of some of these young punks.
On the 400 already eh...let see how long you last before your next major foul-up.
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Clearly Retarded And Pointless, is more appropiate! CRM? You gotta be joking man. Look at what goes on some of these cockpits, and some of the trainers, who lead by example. This has been discussed ad nasium before, so I wont elaborate any further, as you well know!
Top it off with some allegedly dodgey licenses practises, where, in any other country you would go to gaol for exam fraud.
Now who owes them/me a living? Those that fraudulently obtained their's, others by conceptional accident perhaps and finally the CRM gurus, who blast, intimidate and shout their way through training sessions, or even regulah flightslah. Just to mention a few. Credit awarded, where credit is due. So please stand up, if you need an award!
Top it off with some allegedly dodgey licenses practises, where, in any other country you would go to gaol for exam fraud.
Now who owes them/me a living? Those that fraudulently obtained their's, others by conceptional accident perhaps and finally the CRM gurus, who blast, intimidate and shout their way through training sessions, or even regulah flightslah. Just to mention a few. Credit awarded, where credit is due. So please stand up, if you need an award!
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All the major Fcuk ups were done by you oldies anyway. LHR, MEL, HKG, SZB to name a few. So what are you on about?
F.inally L.eaving at 60.0's and Droopy's main grouses originate from the withdrawal symptoms of not getting enough, when even the IFSs and CSs aren't paying attention to them folks anymore and soon to be chucked out of the seat, therefore no longer able to scream, shout and intimidate the more virile, viagraless replacements. Now they can practice all those at home and have everyone there grateful to them. Can you imagine? Boy, I'd hate to be in their household.
None of you put rice in my bowl, so why should I lick your a$$? I am however very grateful to MAS for the chance I was given to fly some really heavy stuff with all the mods and cons, the works. It's a dream come true for me, but that's beside the point. Yous two aren't interested in flying but yous should really go and join DAP or some political party with a big stick up the back alley.
How about other airlines? Do yous have problems with old and cranky bus thirds like in MAS? Well, to be fair, there are only a few as these couple have demonstrated. All they bloody do in the seat is read newspapers and grumble about the airline and the girls they had, some 20 odd years ago. Jeez, get a life..
F.inally L.eaving at 60.0's and Droopy's main grouses originate from the withdrawal symptoms of not getting enough, when even the IFSs and CSs aren't paying attention to them folks anymore and soon to be chucked out of the seat, therefore no longer able to scream, shout and intimidate the more virile, viagraless replacements. Now they can practice all those at home and have everyone there grateful to them. Can you imagine? Boy, I'd hate to be in their household.
None of you put rice in my bowl, so why should I lick your a$$? I am however very grateful to MAS for the chance I was given to fly some really heavy stuff with all the mods and cons, the works. It's a dream come true for me, but that's beside the point. Yous two aren't interested in flying but yous should really go and join DAP or some political party with a big stick up the back alley.
How about other airlines? Do yous have problems with old and cranky bus thirds like in MAS? Well, to be fair, there are only a few as these couple have demonstrated. All they bloody do in the seat is read newspapers and grumble about the airline and the girls they had, some 20 odd years ago. Jeez, get a life..
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Alright, alright! Necks, wind them in, all of you.
Arguing around who's licence is better, who's exams are harder and now much better my generation than yours is is is entirely pointless, and we've heard it all before.
The best part is, everyone is wrong, and everyone is right. Now get on with it.
Arguing around who's licence is better, who's exams are harder and now much better my generation than yours is is is entirely pointless, and we've heard it all before.
The best part is, everyone is wrong, and everyone is right. Now get on with it.
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Thanks for testing the water....FL600.
Now we know who these two urns are, none other than the young Talibans in MAS.
After engineering half of the old pilot out of their job in MAS now want to talk big already eh.. .Your time will come too....soon when MAS goes completely bankcrupt.
Kurang ajar punya biawak.
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Now we know who these two urns are, none other than the young Talibans in MAS.
After engineering half of the old pilot out of their job in MAS now want to talk big already eh.. .Your time will come too....soon when MAS goes completely bankcrupt.
Kurang ajar punya biawak.
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Allllright, you're right squid. But I wanna know, what did the goanna do?
I'd like to stop from this stupid and pointless discussion of who's license is better, who's char koay is bigger and longer and all this crap being brought up again and again by these dilapidating pests.Before that, let me explain something.
Oldspice is typical of people with scarcity mentality whom have a very difficult time sharing recognition and credit, power or profit-even with those whom have helped. They also have a very hard time time being genuinely happy for the success of other people, often harbouring hopes that others might suffer misfortune as well said by FL.
My original point to all this is: There are some cases whereby local pilots with the proper qualifications are able to obtain Aust ATPL, convert it and accepted by MAS. So, if other pilot out there are genuinely interested to know how, they can. But to simply shoot this knowledge down as if these twerps know it all is rather foolish, arrogant, very high-handed and conceited.
I digress.
"Assume Nothing, Challenge Everything and Defend Facts"
I'd like to stop from this stupid and pointless discussion of who's license is better, who's char koay is bigger and longer and all this crap being brought up again and again by these dilapidating pests.Before that, let me explain something.
Oldspice is typical of people with scarcity mentality whom have a very difficult time sharing recognition and credit, power or profit-even with those whom have helped. They also have a very hard time time being genuinely happy for the success of other people, often harbouring hopes that others might suffer misfortune as well said by FL.
My original point to all this is: There are some cases whereby local pilots with the proper qualifications are able to obtain Aust ATPL, convert it and accepted by MAS. So, if other pilot out there are genuinely interested to know how, they can. But to simply shoot this knowledge down as if these twerps know it all is rather foolish, arrogant, very high-handed and conceited.
I digress.
"Assume Nothing, Challenge Everything and Defend Facts"
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Time to be positive as Squid said.
If a 6 year old girl can fly plane what can't Malaysian do.
How about reducing the time for ex-cadet to be B747-400 commanders from 8 years to 6 years. Especially in these times of cutting corners for more profit margin.
So 1st year as co-pilot on B737 to get 500 hours.
Then spend 2 years on B747-400; 1 year as cruise copilot and the next as fully operational copilot.
Then 3 years as Capt on B737
Next stop Captain on B747-400.
Then Malaysia can declare we got the youngest B747 Captain in the world at the age of 25.. .It might even get to the Guiness Book of Records.
Civil Aviation of Malaysia can change the requirements like they do always to fix the criteria requirements.
This is BolehLand semua boleh.
As for safety....who cares it was never on the airline vocablary anyway.
If a 6 year old girl can fly plane what can't Malaysian do.
How about reducing the time for ex-cadet to be B747-400 commanders from 8 years to 6 years. Especially in these times of cutting corners for more profit margin.
So 1st year as co-pilot on B737 to get 500 hours.
Then spend 2 years on B747-400; 1 year as cruise copilot and the next as fully operational copilot.
Then 3 years as Capt on B737
Next stop Captain on B747-400.
Then Malaysia can declare we got the youngest B747 Captain in the world at the age of 25.. .It might even get to the Guiness Book of Records.
Civil Aviation of Malaysia can change the requirements like they do always to fix the criteria requirements.
This is BolehLand semua boleh.
As for safety....who cares it was never on the airline vocablary anyway.
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Hei chelaka lu FL600…mau lawan Taukeh kah. I'm the TopGun around here, what are you trying to do.
Remember what I told you about playing golf with your Boss. Always make it look you lost after a difficult try. This had always been the Malaysian feudalistic culture.
I learn that the hard way in the Air force when I outshoot my Wing Commander by 50% firing 4x30mm cannon in a live air to air banner shooting. That's why I never be a General if I had stayed on in the AF.
Anyway what I'm going to propose here to save MAS about RM50 million per annum will offset everything positive you had made.
Camel the Taliban proposed to save the airline RM25 million in 1993 and he was made the Director of Flight Operation or VP or VIP or whatsoever. That proposal ended up as the low fuel fiasco over London when they miscalculated the minimum fuel required. He was kick out towards the end of 1996.
If I make this proposal now in MAS I'll be guaranteed a GM job at least. Unfortunately I'm not in MAS but with a foreign carrier up north.
Gotta go for my golf now.....
-(to be continued)
Remember what I told you about playing golf with your Boss. Always make it look you lost after a difficult try. This had always been the Malaysian feudalistic culture.
I learn that the hard way in the Air force when I outshoot my Wing Commander by 50% firing 4x30mm cannon in a live air to air banner shooting. That's why I never be a General if I had stayed on in the AF.
Anyway what I'm going to propose here to save MAS about RM50 million per annum will offset everything positive you had made.
Camel the Taliban proposed to save the airline RM25 million in 1993 and he was made the Director of Flight Operation or VP or VIP or whatsoever. That proposal ended up as the low fuel fiasco over London when they miscalculated the minimum fuel required. He was kick out towards the end of 1996.
If I make this proposal now in MAS I'll be guaranteed a GM job at least. Unfortunately I'm not in MAS but with a foreign carrier up north.
Gotta go for my golf now.....
-(to be continued)
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Guys !! just take a look at what you have written and you will get some idea of why MAS is in deep S**T.
1) Bury the hatchet and work together.. .2) Think about your jobs, (NEWCO / MAS). .3) Think about saving your bankrupt airline.. .4) The reduced level of service.. .5) The regional & International competition.. .6) The crappy association M*PA and the damage they are doing. .7) The poor flying standards.. .8) The poorer management.
These are just a few points that are detrimental to your future survival in the industry.
The aviation industry as a whole has never ever ever made money. Just add up the the profits and subtract it from the losses and you will see that the industry as a whole is deeply in the red.
This should give you an Idea as to how competitive the aviation industry is.
Thus to be successful the company as a whole has to work together as a team with one goal in mind. Hence one team one mission.
You guys display all the negative attributes here. Thus it is inevitable that your airline will go bankrupt and you can all argue together about whose fault it was in the unemployment lines.
Ultimatly, it will be YOUR FAULT.
Think about it,
Captain Wooblah.
1) Bury the hatchet and work together.. .2) Think about your jobs, (NEWCO / MAS). .3) Think about saving your bankrupt airline.. .4) The reduced level of service.. .5) The regional & International competition.. .6) The crappy association M*PA and the damage they are doing. .7) The poor flying standards.. .8) The poorer management.
These are just a few points that are detrimental to your future survival in the industry.
The aviation industry as a whole has never ever ever made money. Just add up the the profits and subtract it from the losses and you will see that the industry as a whole is deeply in the red.
This should give you an Idea as to how competitive the aviation industry is.
Thus to be successful the company as a whole has to work together as a team with one goal in mind. Hence one team one mission.
You guys display all the negative attributes here. Thus it is inevitable that your airline will go bankrupt and you can all argue together about whose fault it was in the unemployment lines.
Ultimatly, it will be YOUR FAULT.
Think about it,
Captain Wooblah.
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Theres unemployment lines in Malaysia? I thought it was like every other SEA country where the government couldnt care a cr@p about its citizens: you starve!
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Wooblah, havin talked to MAS blokes in the past, theyve had all this "rah-rah!" rallying cr@p before, only to find things turn to sh!t in the end every time. So its no wonder it starts to wear thin on them. Even I would be negative and pessemistic after being screwed up the @rse so many times!
And exactley like here in communist Nam, Im told everything done to MAS is purely political and never anything practical. So how can it be THEIR fault when they have absolutley no democratic process to correct the excesses of a corrupt government that only survives by hiding behind a draconian Internal Security Act to ruthlessley suppress all forms of criticism and dissent?
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And exactley like here in communist Nam, Im told everything done to MAS is purely political and never anything practical. So how can it be THEIR fault when they have absolutley no democratic process to correct the excesses of a corrupt government that only survives by hiding behind a draconian Internal Security Act to ruthlessley suppress all forms of criticism and dissent?
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No Bob,
I left MAS some time ago, I am not MAS material, I believe in getting the job done! no tricks no politics. Just attack the market from a technical and financial point.
You need teamwork, and employees must know that they are valued regardless of race or creed or past accomplishments. The situation is constantly evolving thus the management needs to be dynamic and fluid.
I personally have no hard feelings toward MAS, hey it's a great company and she should be the pride of the nation.
It's the people that have messed it up. I guess we are all amazed as to how such choices are made and how such incompetence gains the helm time and time again.
I still stick to my guns and reiterate that much is in the hands of the employees. If management continues its present track the employees should take a firm stand.
Hey its hard nobody said that instigating change is ever easy, much sacrfice will be required, egos will have to be kept in check ect. But, alas it is a rightious path and possible.
Hey, you guys decide??
Wooblah..........
I left MAS some time ago, I am not MAS material, I believe in getting the job done! no tricks no politics. Just attack the market from a technical and financial point.
You need teamwork, and employees must know that they are valued regardless of race or creed or past accomplishments. The situation is constantly evolving thus the management needs to be dynamic and fluid.
I personally have no hard feelings toward MAS, hey it's a great company and she should be the pride of the nation.
It's the people that have messed it up. I guess we are all amazed as to how such choices are made and how such incompetence gains the helm time and time again.
I still stick to my guns and reiterate that much is in the hands of the employees. If management continues its present track the employees should take a firm stand.
Hey its hard nobody said that instigating change is ever easy, much sacrfice will be required, egos will have to be kept in check ect. But, alas it is a rightious path and possible.
Hey, you guys decide??
Wooblah..........
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Dear Login,
It's not about me running away or being enlightened. It's just about commen sense. MAS needs leadership and what I meant is that leadership should come from within. If the choosen leaders are useless then the employees should band together via established asociations and unions. Call for meetings with the establishment and voice out their concerns and the path that needs to be taken.
For example if a particular route is useless ie a 747 with 10 Pax then many people from customer services to pilots know about this. Thus it should be questioned why this service continues.. .If the answere is political reasons they should push further to their MP's and so on.
Employees sould be concerned as it is their jobs that ultimatly will be on the line, hence the time has come to be pro active. No point sitting on ones laurels and being helpless. Take a stand collectivly, be organised, have a plan, give suggestions and alternatives, write in to the bosses. petition senior management and the government. Give it a go before you just give up and blame those around you or percieve you are a victim of circumstance.
The fishermen petitioned the government on the rise of diesel prices after the PM said publicly no way. AND THEY WON.
Are you guys lesser than the fisherman.
It's in your hands boys or are you girls.
Wooblah.......
It's not about me running away or being enlightened. It's just about commen sense. MAS needs leadership and what I meant is that leadership should come from within. If the choosen leaders are useless then the employees should band together via established asociations and unions. Call for meetings with the establishment and voice out their concerns and the path that needs to be taken.
For example if a particular route is useless ie a 747 with 10 Pax then many people from customer services to pilots know about this. Thus it should be questioned why this service continues.. .If the answere is political reasons they should push further to their MP's and so on.
Employees sould be concerned as it is their jobs that ultimatly will be on the line, hence the time has come to be pro active. No point sitting on ones laurels and being helpless. Take a stand collectivly, be organised, have a plan, give suggestions and alternatives, write in to the bosses. petition senior management and the government. Give it a go before you just give up and blame those around you or percieve you are a victim of circumstance.
The fishermen petitioned the government on the rise of diesel prices after the PM said publicly no way. AND THEY WON.
Are you guys lesser than the fisherman.
It's in your hands boys or are you girls.
Wooblah.......
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Well done Capt Wooblah. But these pilots in MAS are no warrior after 3 decades of being 'yesman'. .It had adopted the culture of the 3 monkeys; I see nothing, I hear nothing and I say nothing. It will be hell to those who do otherwise. And they are a complacent lot, only too happy just to receive their end of month salary. Let's see how long this payout will last.
Who is going to 'bell' the cats.
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Who is going to 'bell' the cats.
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Wobbly,
Your RAH! RAH! is really good and all and easy, especially when you're on the outside looking in. Don't you forget how the situation was when you were still around. All this talk, I feel, should have been addressed back then when we can still look up to you and help guide us as a leader. It can only survive in an organisation when the system supports it and people sincere to achieve it. As you know, the culture is to take care of one's self, hence we have "good" people leaving for better money (not necessarily conditions) to the few up north and the one down south. So, if your talk is yay but the reward is nay, then essentially you have a losing programme in your hands.
If you want to achieve the goals and reflect the values in your statement, the reward system has to be aligned with the goals and values. If it isn't aligned SYSTEMatically, then you won't be walking your talk. Hence Mana Ada System will continue to rot, and to be proactive is to leave and make a better life for oneself if the conditions here aren't acceptable. Otherwise, life goes on and we'll continue to whinge here on the forum...
Some fishermen do make a decent living and I'm not sure if we are LESSER or more than them. I would not be the one to judge and wouldn't like to. I'll leave that to you. Are you higher than fishermen and if so, why? One things is for sure, there are only +-2000 of us versus 200,000+ of them. From the numbers alone, it's not hard to see who has more weight and say when it comes to elections.
To be proactive is great but the pieces must fit. I think I'm definitely a "girl" and will run away, just like you when my number is called upon. I hope to retire happy and not be bitter like you know who.. In summary, what you're saying is GOOD but it won't work. No matter how good the captain of the ship is, if the boat is crummy and slow, it will not win the race. Moreover, if the boat is sinking, then you have got to evac, don't you?
The swiss gov's bailout of collapsed Swissair is a similar example of national prestige taking precedence over financial sense. It is also a pointer to the difficulty in making CHANGE:>
Read Slasher's postings on this. In the end > all will turn to sh!t and we'll have the same story and bicker about the same things all over again.
Your RAH! RAH! is really good and all and easy, especially when you're on the outside looking in. Don't you forget how the situation was when you were still around. All this talk, I feel, should have been addressed back then when we can still look up to you and help guide us as a leader. It can only survive in an organisation when the system supports it and people sincere to achieve it. As you know, the culture is to take care of one's self, hence we have "good" people leaving for better money (not necessarily conditions) to the few up north and the one down south. So, if your talk is yay but the reward is nay, then essentially you have a losing programme in your hands.
If you want to achieve the goals and reflect the values in your statement, the reward system has to be aligned with the goals and values. If it isn't aligned SYSTEMatically, then you won't be walking your talk. Hence Mana Ada System will continue to rot, and to be proactive is to leave and make a better life for oneself if the conditions here aren't acceptable. Otherwise, life goes on and we'll continue to whinge here on the forum...
Some fishermen do make a decent living and I'm not sure if we are LESSER or more than them. I would not be the one to judge and wouldn't like to. I'll leave that to you. Are you higher than fishermen and if so, why? One things is for sure, there are only +-2000 of us versus 200,000+ of them. From the numbers alone, it's not hard to see who has more weight and say when it comes to elections.
To be proactive is great but the pieces must fit. I think I'm definitely a "girl" and will run away, just like you when my number is called upon. I hope to retire happy and not be bitter like you know who.. In summary, what you're saying is GOOD but it won't work. No matter how good the captain of the ship is, if the boat is crummy and slow, it will not win the race. Moreover, if the boat is sinking, then you have got to evac, don't you?
The swiss gov's bailout of collapsed Swissair is a similar example of national prestige taking precedence over financial sense. It is also a pointer to the difficulty in making CHANGE:>
Read Slasher's postings on this. In the end > all will turn to sh!t and we'll have the same story and bicker about the same things all over again.