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coolio545
am i able to work having PIO Card
for work nobody can stop you.
check up with your employer ,if you can get 2 years post dated cheques towards salary then you don"t have to worry about rules.
am i able to work having PIO Card
for work nobody can stop you.
check up with your employer ,if you can get 2 years post dated cheques towards salary then you don"t have to worry about rules.
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use it and abuse it
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I too was watching from the sidelines till now. First off, you paint with too wide a brush, my friend. Comparing aviation in the US to that in India is like comparing Tiger Woods to your local golf club buddy.The US has been and will always be a much more user friendly country for aviation.Even the Europeans acknowlege that.
FATA issued by DGCA is most user friendly.
No medicals,l exams etc. ALSO RTR and get onboard .
DGCA not knowing the authenticity of the licences has issued FATAs .
what it looks people are using it and abusing FATA.
AND THE SAME POSTERS IN THE THREAD CONTINUE TO WORK OR TRYING TO HOLD ON TO THE JOB AND TELLING OTHERS NOT TO COME SO THAT THEY CAN SURVIVE .
I too was watching from the sidelines till now. First off, you paint with too wide a brush, my friend. Comparing aviation in the US to that in India is like comparing Tiger Woods to your local golf club buddy.The US has been and will always be a much more user friendly country for aviation.Even the Europeans acknowlege that.
FATA issued by DGCA is most user friendly.
No medicals,l exams etc. ALSO RTR and get onboard .
DGCA not knowing the authenticity of the licences has issued FATAs .
what it looks people are using it and abusing FATA.
AND THE SAME POSTERS IN THE THREAD CONTINUE TO WORK OR TRYING TO HOLD ON TO THE JOB AND TELLING OTHERS NOT TO COME SO THAT THEY CAN SURVIVE .
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ALT 3
In fact it is a tribute to the professionalism and skill of all concerned:FAA, ATC, Pilots Dispatchers etc.If India had that kind of traffic, there would be many more smoking holes in the ground.
this region is not only handing domestic traffic but international traffic as well.
Go to the ATC you will see on the radar and understand the traffic from west (uk ,EU) And east (japan +) and also from other countries(
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its pure professionalism and dedication of all associated with aviation industry in the ICAO states
your transport department is handing mostly domestic traffic.
In fact it is a tribute to the professionalism and skill of all concerned:FAA, ATC, Pilots Dispatchers etc.If India had that kind of traffic, there would be many more smoking holes in the ground.
this region is not only handing domestic traffic but international traffic as well.
Go to the ATC you will see on the radar and understand the traffic from west (uk ,EU) And east (japan +) and also from other countries(
)its pure professionalism and dedication of all associated with aviation industry in the ICAO states
your transport department is handing mostly domestic traffic.
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Your transport department is handling mostly domestic traffic.
Getsetgo:
I won't even qualify that piece of your latest inanity and insanity with a response.
In fact, it is time for me to be the adult here and leave.
Alt3.
Getsetgo:
I won't even qualify that piece of your latest inanity and insanity with a response.
In fact, it is time for me to be the adult here and leave.
Alt3.
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ALT3
The only way the DGCA will wake up and smell the cofee, is when the GOI, is hit by economic sanctions by foreign countries. By that I mean a very restricted sanctions such as refusal for AI or Jet or anyone to land in the other countries. A bit extreme? Yes! But that is all that will get the Babus' attention and the corrupt heads might roll. If the expats complain loudly and frequently to their individual governments citing unfair practices, not following ICAO guidelines or whatever ,it might get some action.
Unfortunately,that will happen when it is a cold day in hell.The almighty dollar/pound/yen/yuan is much more powerful than a few hundred pilots.
Alt3.
ABOVE YOR POST
BE MENTALLY ADULT AS WELL
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/03katrina.htm
GOOD LUCK
The only way the DGCA will wake up and smell the cofee, is when the GOI, is hit by economic sanctions by foreign countries. By that I mean a very restricted sanctions such as refusal for AI or Jet or anyone to land in the other countries. A bit extreme? Yes! But that is all that will get the Babus' attention and the corrupt heads might roll. If the expats complain loudly and frequently to their individual governments citing unfair practices, not following ICAO guidelines or whatever ,it might get some action.
Unfortunately,that will happen when it is a cold day in hell.The almighty dollar/pound/yen/yuan is much more powerful than a few hundred pilots.
Alt3.
ABOVE YOR POST
BE MENTALLY ADULT AS WELL
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/03katrina.htm
GOOD LUCK
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RHD
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A Texas woman who said she was forced to remove a nipple ring with pliers in order to board an airplane called Thursday for an apology by federal security agents and a civil rights investigation.
"I wouldn't wish this experience upon anyone," Mandi Hamlin said at a news conference. "My experience with TSA was a nightmare I had to endure. No one deserves to be treated this way."
Hamlin, 37, said she was trying to board a flight from Lubbock to Dallas on Feb. 24 when she was scanned by a Transportation Security Administration agent after passing through a larger metal detector without problems.
The female TSA agent used a handheld detector that beeped when it passed in front of Hamlin's chest, the Dallas-area resident said.
Hamlin said she told the woman she was wearing nipple piercings. The women then called over her male colleagues, one of whom said she would have to remove the jewelry, Hamlin said.
Hamlin said she could not remove them and asked whether she could instead display her pierced breasts in private to the female agent. But several other male officers told her she could not board her flight until the jewelry was out, she said.
this is the diffrence between aviation ,and the transport department.
And to drive LHD on RHD roads ,only possible .......here.
"I wouldn't wish this experience upon anyone," Mandi Hamlin said at a news conference. "My experience with TSA was a nightmare I had to endure. No one deserves to be treated this way."
Hamlin, 37, said she was trying to board a flight from Lubbock to Dallas on Feb. 24 when she was scanned by a Transportation Security Administration agent after passing through a larger metal detector without problems.
The female TSA agent used a handheld detector that beeped when it passed in front of Hamlin's chest, the Dallas-area resident said.
Hamlin said she told the woman she was wearing nipple piercings. The women then called over her male colleagues, one of whom said she would have to remove the jewelry, Hamlin said.
Hamlin said she could not remove them and asked whether she could instead display her pierced breasts in private to the female agent. But several other male officers told her she could not board her flight until the jewelry was out, she said.
this is the diffrence between aviation ,and the transport department.
And to drive LHD on RHD roads ,only possible .......here.
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Are they really stopping expat F/O's flying in India after 1st June? Have a read of this:
http://www.flightglobal.com/jobs/job...--10421031.htm
http://www.flightglobal.com/jobs/job...--10421031.htm
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The FAA medical is reasonable. I had a first class medical in Korea, now some of their procedures where a joke. I never hear that more pilots with an FAA medical die on final than with other countries medicals. So what is the issue??
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The TSA hired many of the unemployables in the USA. Fat, uneducated and absolutely no common sense. (I am talking about the supervisors, one can imagine the rest of them) It is just as frustrating to us as all foreigners coming to the US. It truly is a demonstration of the stupidity of some of our government heads
To make somebody remove nipple rings is insane. Unfortunately, we the taxpayers have to pay for the lawsuit.
It can only get better, I hope
To make somebody remove nipple rings is insane. Unfortunately, we the taxpayers have to pay for the lawsuit.
It can only get better, I hope
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OK Guys..FOR THE RECORD....I retract my statement about the FAA Medical and Exams being a Joke....There seem to be many who find solace in the FAA and how things work over there...so Happy Flying to you all...
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The TSA hired many of the unemployables in the USA. Fat, uneducated and absolutely no common sense. (I am talking about the supervisors, one can imagine the rest of them) It is just as frustrating to us as all foreigners coming to the US. It truly is a demonstration of the stupidity of some of our government heads
To make somebody remove nipple rings is insane. Unfortunately, we the taxpayers have to pay for the lawsuit.
It can only get better, I hope
passengers awareness about the security procedures ?
At security gate, people are doing the job as told to them to ensure safe aviation.
what can be done to improve passenger comfort and safety?
certainly tax payers has the right to inform the govt about the areas which need improvement.
in above situation what could have been done? and how in future such issues can be handled?
The TSA hired many of the unemployables in the USA. Fat, uneducated and absolutely no common sense. (I am talking about the supervisors, one can imagine the rest of them) It is just as frustrating to us as all foreigners coming to the US. It truly is a demonstration of the stupidity of some of our government heads
To make somebody remove nipple rings is insane. Unfortunately, we the taxpayers have to pay for the lawsuit.
It can only get better, I hope
passengers awareness about the security procedures ?
At security gate, people are doing the job as told to them to ensure safe aviation.
what can be done to improve passenger comfort and safety?
certainly tax payers has the right to inform the govt about the areas which need improvement.
in above situation what could have been done? and how in future such issues can be handled?
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OK Guys..FOR THE RECORD....I retract my statement about the FAA Medical and Exams being a Joke....There seem to be many who find solace in the FAA and how things work over there...so Happy Flying to you all...
whats your opinion about medical in icao states and IAM/CME?
as many posts in the thread are about medical issues and licencing .
OK Guys..FOR THE RECORD....I retract my statement about the FAA Medical and Exams being a Joke....There seem to be many who find solace in the FAA and how things work over there...so Happy Flying to you all...
whats your opinion about medical in icao states and IAM/CME?
as many posts in the thread are about medical issues and licencing .
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ICAO HAS MADE IT MANDATORY FOR PILOTS
AND AIR- TRAFFIC CONTROLLER TO SPEAK ENGLISH
Pilots and air-traffic controllers around the world must now be able to speak basic English after new rules to improve safety came in to effect yesterday (March 6, 2008).
The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has introduced a mandatory English exam for hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who control aircraft at international airports. It is hoped the rules will prevent accidents caused by poor communication, such as the death of 349 passengers in 1996 after a mid-air collision near Delhi between a Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing 747 and an Air Kazakhstan Ilyushin, because the pilots could not understand each other.
London's Telegraph reported that native English speakers will not have to prove their competence, but have been told by the Civil Aviation Authority to make sure they can be understood and refrain from the use of idioms, colloquialisms and other jargon.
ICAO officials said the organisation did not expect perfect English, but the ability to handle emergency situations and ensure that pilots and control towers throughout the world understand each other. David Learmount of Flight International magazine told the Telegraph the new English standard was an important step in improving air safety.
He said if anything "non-standard" happens it was not enough simply to know the technical words, the pilot had to be able to communicate the problem to air traffic controllers and understand them in return.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/pilots-airtraffic-controllers-face-english- tssts/2008/03/07/1204780017433.html
AND AIR- TRAFFIC CONTROLLER TO SPEAK ENGLISH
Pilots and air-traffic controllers around the world must now be able to speak basic English after new rules to improve safety came in to effect yesterday (March 6, 2008).
The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has introduced a mandatory English exam for hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who control aircraft at international airports. It is hoped the rules will prevent accidents caused by poor communication, such as the death of 349 passengers in 1996 after a mid-air collision near Delhi between a Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing 747 and an Air Kazakhstan Ilyushin, because the pilots could not understand each other.
London's Telegraph reported that native English speakers will not have to prove their competence, but have been told by the Civil Aviation Authority to make sure they can be understood and refrain from the use of idioms, colloquialisms and other jargon.
ICAO officials said the organisation did not expect perfect English, but the ability to handle emergency situations and ensure that pilots and control towers throughout the world understand each other. David Learmount of Flight International magazine told the Telegraph the new English standard was an important step in improving air safety.
He said if anything "non-standard" happens it was not enough simply to know the technical words, the pilot had to be able to communicate the problem to air traffic controllers and understand them in return.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/pilots-airtraffic-controllers-face-english- tssts/2008/03/07/1204780017433.html
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Hey DesiPilot...I agree with you man..the FAA guys are really pleasant to deal with and so are the American pilots..really nice guys to fly with...but have you taken time to really read through the history and statistics of accidents regarding FAA registered aircraft...On the GA scene it is really quite astounding and from the 70 - 90s you should do some reading into the accidents that occured in that part of the world...one thing you will notice is that almost all of them happened due to Pilot Error and the basic reason for that was the wrong guy was in the cockpit...their system allows people with no aptitude to fly...these days the technology on commercial aircraft does not allow for too many accidents...but that is what each licencing authority needs to do...create a system where only the right people get in....take a look at Indian aviation...IA has had it;s fair share of accidents....whatever was the reason ?? you had average guys making it into the flight deck...but that's not the worse part..when you have average guys sitting there and thinking that they are God's gift to commercial aviation and start flying like cowboys....dead bodies is what you get...
Keep in mind that the level of GA in the US is 5 times larger than the rest of the entire world.. which is to say, I would expect all but a small percentage of accidents in GA to be in the US. Moreover, as a flight Instructor working at a busy flight school in the late 90's in the Southern California area, over a period of 1 year there were 5 fatal accidents ALL involving either European or Indian students..
Yes, at the PPL-Commercial level, and entry level, the US is not a hard place to get a license, but when you've attained 5000+ hours, and been hired and trained by 2 or 3 airlines, having accumulated 5 type ratings or more, and having acted as a captain for 1000 or more hours, you're probably a good pilot and a VERY low risk to hire.. why make it harder than it needs to be?
Hey DesiPilot...I agree with you man..the FAA guys are really pleasant to deal with and so are the American pilots..really nice guys to fly with...but have you taken time to really read through the history and statistics of accidents regarding FAA registered aircraft...On the GA scene it is really quite astounding and from the 70 - 90s you should do some reading into the accidents that occured in that part of the world...one thing you will notice is that almost all of them happened due to Pilot Error and the basic reason for that was the wrong guy was in the cockpit...their system allows people with no aptitude to fly...these days the technology on commercial aircraft does not allow for too many accidents...but that is what each licencing authority needs to do...create a system where only the right people get in....take a look at Indian aviation...IA has had it;s fair share of accidents....whatever was the reason ?? you had average guys making it into the flight deck...but that's not the worse part..when you have average guys sitting there and thinking that they are God's gift to commercial aviation and start flying like cowboys....dead bodies is what you get...
Yes, at the PPL-Commercial level, and entry level, the US is not a hard place to get a license, but when you've attained 5000+ hours, and been hired and trained by 2 or 3 airlines, having accumulated 5 type ratings or more, and having acted as a captain for 1000 or more hours, you're probably a good pilot and a VERY low risk to hire.. why make it harder than it needs to be?
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as a flight Instructor working at a busy flight school in the late 90's in the Southern California area, over a period of 1 year there were 5 fatal accidents ALL involving either European or Indian students..
why so many fatal accidents in usa only,there are so many schools arround the world doing flying training but accident percentage is low.
is it due to the training stds?
after all some body is learning to fly at a training school and school didnot impart sufficient training to handle the plane.
as a flight Instructor working at a busy flight school in the late 90's in the Southern California area, over a period of 1 year there were 5 fatal accidents ALL involving either European or Indian students..
why so many fatal accidents in usa only,there are so many schools arround the world doing flying training but accident percentage is low.
is it due to the training stds?
after all some body is learning to fly at a training school and school didnot impart sufficient training to handle the plane.
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DESI PILOT & MD DOG
I see three possible different issues you may be trying to address.
1. The Indian selection process for aviators
2. The DGCA vs FAA
3. The standard of the ICAO pilot vs FAA
Its a boom time for Indian aviation, and, everybody wants a slice of the pie, locals and expats. A lot of locals are venturing into previously unchartered waters, kept deliberately to the purview of a select few. This spells a boom time for flying schools around the world. Most flying schools will accept anyone with the almighty dollar, but the challenge will be for the CARRIERSto employ those with the aptitude. And to weed out those without.
In my opinion, the DGCA needs an overhaul. I do see that they are making changes in the right direction in terms of policy, which is good for the industry. However, the functionality, the day to day running, will take much longer to address.
ICAO vs FAA- there is talent, on both sides, definitely. The real depth of training only shows up when you're out of your comfort zone. Like flying into Central Asia or Africa on a dark night with an engine out, terrain & pissing purple. By virtue of a much wider range of experience operating into far flung regions around the world, as well as exposure to "foreigners" in the cockpit, ICAO.
Now, the can of worms are open.
I see three possible different issues you may be trying to address.
1. The Indian selection process for aviators
2. The DGCA vs FAA
3. The standard of the ICAO pilot vs FAA
Its a boom time for Indian aviation, and, everybody wants a slice of the pie, locals and expats. A lot of locals are venturing into previously unchartered waters, kept deliberately to the purview of a select few. This spells a boom time for flying schools around the world. Most flying schools will accept anyone with the almighty dollar, but the challenge will be for the CARRIERSto employ those with the aptitude. And to weed out those without.
In my opinion, the DGCA needs an overhaul. I do see that they are making changes in the right direction in terms of policy, which is good for the industry. However, the functionality, the day to day running, will take much longer to address.
ICAO vs FAA- there is talent, on both sides, definitely. The real depth of training only shows up when you're out of your comfort zone. Like flying into Central Asia or Africa on a dark night with an engine out, terrain & pissing purple. By virtue of a much wider range of experience operating into far flung regions around the world, as well as exposure to "foreigners" in the cockpit, ICAO.
Now, the can of worms are open.