BPIAA Rumor or Truth

[Hudson_Hawk]

it's over. everyone got their release letters. no more panam.

[Fareastdriver]

it's over. everyone got their release letters. no more panam.

That's a shame. One of the better threads on PPRuNE.

[BlueSkyLife]

RIP

R.I.P Beijing Panam International Aviation Academy.

Many memories to carry on for the BPA Family.

The Instructors and other staff had no choice as they all packed up and go to their respectable place of residence.

I say BPIAA has formed a solid foundation into the daily stress and irritable management we face for our future jobs.

BPIAA made many friends, marriages, families, sorrows, happiness, new jobs, heartbreaks, laughfter, pain, unforgiving thoughts, asles, memories, and Aisa at our finger tips.

Good Luck to you all out there, with or without Jobs.

Its a rough world out there!
Tighten your seatbelts, because its about to get worse, the cost of things are not getting any cheaper!!!!!

[spacepodlife]

I have just started a business as a fortune teller. It comes out that I am pretty good at foreseeing the future of aviation companies and their employees. If interested my itinerant kiosk will come soon to an entertainment park near you...

Peace

[aime]

haven't you learned...

Anything. That's: "Haven't you learned anything". I learned that much while walking in circles in the desert.

Namaste

[emb145gearslinger]

I am going to miss Pan Am.

[jbayfan]

To former Beijing Pan Am instructors, besides all the issues with management, what would you change about the operation if it was to be revived? What are your views on aircraft types used, the various bases (which to keep and which to close), the course structure etc?

[jbayfan]

Thanks to those who sent me info by PM. Does anyone know if the bases are still being maintained and where the aircraft are and how they are keeping them airworthy? How many staff are still "employed" by BPIAA?

Also, does anyone know what happened to the roughly 320 students who were training when the academy stopped operating?

Any info would be appreciate. We are considering reviving BPIAA but we need to understand what the problems were and what we are in for.

We are aware of the weather, ATC and fuel issues, as well as certain limitations with the DA40 as an ab-initio trainer.

What else do we need to know?

[Fareastdriver]

Is this thread going to get started again? I'm looking forward to that.

[stewie2010]

To jbayfan

Other than you do not know where the students are, you do not seem to know the difference between a bankrupt company and an abandoned one (you reference to" reviving it " ) and have no idea what the status of the aircrafts nor anything else and your business plan is based on asking ex-Bpiaa employees on pprune how to run a multi cultural international aviation business in a foreign country in which you do not speak the language...well,I guess you do not need to know anything else....all ready it seems

Please hurry..we are all looking forward your great success

[KAG]

as well as certain limitations with the DA40 as an ab-initio trainer.

Like what?

[stewie2010]

Da40 Limitations

Please Kag, do not ask silly questions to the great jbayfan...he has other things on his mind....he is about to make aviation history therefore your lack of aviation knowledge and understanding can only be your problem ...hahah..

[LaoWei]

as well as certain limitations with the DA40 as an ab-initio trainer.

Like what?

The DA40s at PanAm had the constant speed propeller, which was not certified for spin training. So PanAm had to address this problem, and they decided to buy some DA40s with the constant pitch prop (which was supposedly going to be certified for spins). By the time I left PanAm 2 years ago, there was no certification and the aircraft had sat on the ramp for months collecting dust. Maybe this is one of the issues.

[KAG]

The DA40s (FP) are certified for spin. Have a look at the pilot handbook.
It has been certified by the CAAC almost 2 years ago. Even before in north america.

[knee how]

Like what?

And what was the reason for having so many prop strikes? Wasn't there some investigation done by the company about that? I've never seen so many prop strikes in the one location before.

[jbayfan]

Stewie2010, what exactly qualifies you to comment on any aspect of my post? If you would like to list your qualifications then I will list mine and you can then go and hide in the hole you just crawled out of.

Anyway, who said that we wanted to operate BPIAA in China, or are you always so quick to make assumptions?

I guess you are one of the former "disgruntled" employees other helpful former instructors have warned me about.

Mod, any chance you can remove the probationer from this thread?

[jbayfan]

KAG, the DA40 used at BPIAA has a constant speed propeller and also has the Garmin 1000. For a student pilot this is an information and operational overload, and the DA20 would have been a better aircraft for the first 30 to 40 hours to be followed by the DA40 for advanced training. There is also the issue of the front seat not being adjustable and short students having problems with visibility in the flair and therefore the many prop strikes at BPIAA.

[KAG]

PANAM had several DA40 FixPitch (FP) the last year they "opperated".

Concerning the seat issue, it is true. Some DA40 students have to use a cushion (or something similar) to be able to see correctly.
For the prop strike, well, it didn' t only happen to the "short students"...
Is that a panam issue, or a DA40 issue? I don' t know.

Concerning the Garmin 1000, you can dim the light or switch off the PFD or MFD, you can even , by popping up certain circuit breaker, select the information you want. You can practice "partial panel" It is quite a flexible tool.

[stewie2010]

Panam will rise again (thanks to jbayfan)

I see...so,you want to "revive"Beijing Panam in a different country ...is this correct ? so, for example; Beijing Panam in south africa (BPISA ),yes,I see,very smart,taking the wonderful reputation of BPIAA and maybe shipping from China the well maintained flying machines( that you seem to know so much about..haha) also to south africa (everyone favorite destination ) and afterwards only having to convince Chinese airlines to retrieve their cadets from where ever they are and sending them to Africa which all Chinese admire for.....well,for not being to close to them..to a new flight school ( BPISA) that would be run by someone which great CV has brought all the way to a hole in Africa and getting his info and knowledge from ex-Panam employees that dont seem to know so much.....wow..its getting better and better..please tell me more..can invest ?Pleeeaaassseeee

And yes, tell me your qualifications..I want to make sure I dont end up like you by doing the same mistakes,thanks and for me " Crawling "back in my hole..well, my friend, I am not the one where you are...haha...and dont bother...your qualifications are very clear to everyone

Stewie2010 signing out (I do not plan on spending my life posting on pprune like some as I have a real job )but will keep an eye for the revived Panam

[nijiggajigga]

Not to bring an old topic back from the grave, but what are ex-pan amers using for reference to employers doing employment verification for contact info for BPIAA?