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Regarding the dinner get together, I am not suprised it has been cancelled. No one in my intermediate circle said they care about it. Local captains are just tired of hearing the same motivational/inspiring talk and jokes over and over again. The Indonesians are fed up with the prolonged and stalled PR issue. I'm not sure if the cadet group took up the invitation after the suprise 'new year gift' last week. Everyone just doesn't care about any new year dinner. I don't think there was enough 'quorum' for it to be held at such a classy place. Or maybe we AirAsia pilots are just not used to going to those swanky Bangsar places Tony. We can't afford it. Not all of your employees own pubs or are descendents of pilots.
AirAsia moving to Subang?
AirAsia moving to Subang?
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Full loads up and down for AK123/124. It's quite a feat in getting the route really so good job to everyone. Did anyone hear any big announcement yesterday or was the email about some big news all hogwash? I couldn't be bothered and waste my petrol to come. Please enlighten us of any news.
To those interested, go check out the EY pilot assessment in KUL. Or if you fear any backlash, just go to the other cities.
Traders Hotel
Kuala Lumpur City Center
50088 Kuala Lumpur
7th February 2008/ 10am - 6pm
8th February 2008/ 10am - 2pm
Full schedule of the roadshow.
To those interested, go check out the EY pilot assessment in KUL. Or if you fear any backlash, just go to the other cities.
Traders Hotel
Kuala Lumpur City Center
50088 Kuala Lumpur
7th February 2008/ 10am - 6pm
8th February 2008/ 10am - 2pm
Full schedule of the roadshow.
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Cant Understand Chrome Said Why There Should There Be A Backlash For Going To An Ek Talk.
I Heard That Tf Does A Scare And Fear Approach To His Pilots.
Come On Tf And Airasia Management Should Realise That Ak Cant Compare On Any Fronts With Emirates,eitihad,qatar,cathay Or Even Vietnam....when It Comes To Salary,benefits And On Job Conditions..
The Way I Think A Ambitious Young Pilot In Airasia Will Always Have A Dream To Fly For A Proper Airline With A Good Career..ak Management Have To Accept This Fact..
Somebody Should Tell Tf Malaysia Is Not A 3rd World Communist Country,where You Can Treathen Your Pilots For Going For A Talk Or Planning To Leave Ak...
Come On Guys If You Can Afford The Cut Throat Bond That Tf Has Put On You..just Pay That And Walk Out His So Called Office With No Doors In Style!!!
I Heard That Tf Does A Scare And Fear Approach To His Pilots.
Come On Tf And Airasia Management Should Realise That Ak Cant Compare On Any Fronts With Emirates,eitihad,qatar,cathay Or Even Vietnam....when It Comes To Salary,benefits And On Job Conditions..
The Way I Think A Ambitious Young Pilot In Airasia Will Always Have A Dream To Fly For A Proper Airline With A Good Career..ak Management Have To Accept This Fact..
Somebody Should Tell Tf Malaysia Is Not A 3rd World Communist Country,where You Can Treathen Your Pilots For Going For A Talk Or Planning To Leave Ak...
Come On Guys If You Can Afford The Cut Throat Bond That Tf Has Put On You..just Pay That And Walk Out His So Called Office With No Doors In Style!!!
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Hi guys, proper Queen's English please! Manglish....very painful to the eyes besides making us Malaysian professional pilots look like riffraffs in this public forum. TF...ticky fella, ha ha ha!
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ok guys first and foremost,
1. Air Asia is NOT a sinking ship. totally agree with "std". its just the loads and loads of unfairness thats going on is becoming absolutely unbearable and even captains are feeling uncomfortable despite the high-ER pay.
2. well as for the big news,tf declared the 1st of feb a public holiday for all ak staff (office guys). hip hip hooray!
Dual input must be an ak pilot haha. and so called hinted about bonus pay out this year...if and when that happens
3.as for tf doing the scare and fear approach,its true as i have heard about it too...and yes its totally uncalled for. ppl have the right to choose! pilots are the product and he is the consumer.
my advice to pilots is this based on the example above...especially the co-pilots...
you guys know what you signed for now as unhappy the "new years gift" was,the fact is you guys signed it. of course the bonds are heavy and its a huge weight on those who wanna leave but it should never be a barrier. as long as you are in AK,honour your contract and be a proffesional when it comes to work. Improve yourself as a product,because as the product's quality increases,the demand increases,hence the price tag on it. and then companies all over the world will pay big money to get you,maybe even your bond. but for this to happen,professionalism has to be there. now when to fight back,and if you do please do it smartly and not like the PHD holder who talks a lot,but think things through rationally. and there are times where you should know to keep your mouth shut and play yr cards right and work on that poker face so no one can guess yr hand.
And when you do leave,even though this stupid TF and gang has a flair for holding back pay the very second you submit yr resignation letter,bite the bullet and leave in peace,as it only makes you a better person and improves yourself as a "product" as ppl shall remember you, and of course rubs **** on TF's face as of course he is expecting you to rebel.
But never allow yourselves to be pushed around.
If you do this,you shall succeed.
PS: The indons have got their PR's. after 5 bloody years! they got it yesterday...... and the roadshows are around the corner........
IRONIC????
1. Air Asia is NOT a sinking ship. totally agree with "std". its just the loads and loads of unfairness thats going on is becoming absolutely unbearable and even captains are feeling uncomfortable despite the high-ER pay.
2. well as for the big news,tf declared the 1st of feb a public holiday for all ak staff (office guys). hip hip hooray!
Dual input must be an ak pilot haha. and so called hinted about bonus pay out this year...if and when that happens3.as for tf doing the scare and fear approach,its true as i have heard about it too...and yes its totally uncalled for. ppl have the right to choose! pilots are the product and he is the consumer.
my advice to pilots is this based on the example above...especially the co-pilots...
you guys know what you signed for now as unhappy the "new years gift" was,the fact is you guys signed it. of course the bonds are heavy and its a huge weight on those who wanna leave but it should never be a barrier. as long as you are in AK,honour your contract and be a proffesional when it comes to work. Improve yourself as a product,because as the product's quality increases,the demand increases,hence the price tag on it. and then companies all over the world will pay big money to get you,maybe even your bond. but for this to happen,professionalism has to be there. now when to fight back,and if you do please do it smartly and not like the PHD holder who talks a lot,but think things through rationally. and there are times where you should know to keep your mouth shut and play yr cards right and work on that poker face so no one can guess yr hand.
And when you do leave,even though this stupid TF and gang has a flair for holding back pay the very second you submit yr resignation letter,bite the bullet and leave in peace,as it only makes you a better person and improves yourself as a "product" as ppl shall remember you, and of course rubs **** on TF's face as of course he is expecting you to rebel.
But never allow yourselves to be pushed around.
If you do this,you shall succeed.
PS: The indons have got their PR's. after 5 bloody years! they got it yesterday...... and the roadshows are around the corner........
IRONIC????
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Well said 420!! Could't disagree at all. 
As pilots maintain professionalism and enhance your aviation knowledge from all the retired heavy duty Captains you fly with and NOT only be used by them to for the routine. As for tf...
he's used to achieving glamy in the media etc and great for writing letters to new employers who may be his competitatives, holding back salaries, EPF, tax money and all the nonsense. For him its a buisness world..
Lastly not last...FLY SAFE!!
As pilots maintain professionalism and enhance your aviation knowledge from all the retired heavy duty Captains you fly with and NOT only be used by them to for the routine. As for tf...
he's used to achieving glamy in the media etc and great for writing letters to new employers who may be his competitatives, holding back salaries, EPF, tax money and all the nonsense. For him its a buisness world.. Lastly not last...FLY SAFE!!
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While tf is doing what he need to do...to keep his pilots heard his protergie Chandra Mohan now is having parties encouraging guys to leave AK. What a turn around..
Well done ex - DFO!!!
heard his protergie Chandra Mohan now is having parties encouraging guys to leave AK. What a turn around.. Well done ex - DFO!!!
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I would like to change the phrase "You pay peanuts, you get monkeys" (not true if you work for airasia...some great guys working here) " You pay peanuts, you slave labour (child labour) in some cases.
I would like to change the phrase "You pay peanuts, you get monkeys" (not true if you work for airasia...some great guys working here) " You pay peanuts, you slave labour (child labour) in some cases.
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Fruitless :
its spelt "PROTEGE" !
Charlie Mike and TF have the same damn attitude. except for the bonus fact which is charlie mike is the biggest ass kisser known to man has this classy impression of himself which makes others wanna
Jetjockey:
Well...i wouldn't say NO monkeys...would you? heheh. but definitely many talented ppl here. and slavery is true. but then again i feel its a point of view actually. we can always turn it around on TF. Use this "slavery" that he's putting us through for the best and gain all the valuable experience needed and dump him at his peak and leave. that would leave him in a total slump!
its spelt "PROTEGE" !
Charlie Mike and TF have the same damn attitude. except for the bonus fact which is charlie mike is the biggest ass kisser known to man has this classy impression of himself which makes others wanna
Jetjockey:
Well...i wouldn't say NO monkeys...would you? heheh. but definitely many talented ppl here. and slavery is true. but then again i feel its a point of view actually. we can always turn it around on TF. Use this "slavery" that he's putting us through for the best and gain all the valuable experience needed and dump him at his peak and leave. that would leave him in a total slump!
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Well it looks like that is going to happen very very soon 420. I've heard the stories and strong rumors the past few days. This week there will be visitors to Traders Hotel. And the ones leaving ARE leaving. Maybe the number won't be in the dozens but it WILL affect operations. Sad thing is it's the better ones that are going. And I thought it was AirAsia's goal to have high standard pilots to train more high standard pilots in our world class Academy?
Some of us have seen this happen before. Let's welcome back delays and retimes caused by insufficient crew, which will reduce guest perception of good service, lower satisfaction and ultimately reduce demand. You wanna save some money did you Tony? Let's see what reduced load factor brings to the balance sheet, share price and our market capitalization. And let's see what this situation will do to the ones that actually was stupid enough to be loyal and stayed but left with having to do extra sectors, experiencing rampant last minute duty changes and getting minimum rest. You can't continue treating professional pilots like this.
Last time this happened AirAsia wasn't publicly owned. Last time this happened company only had the JHB base to worry about. Last time this happened AirAsia has less than 12 aircraft. All 3 bases are on ngam-ngam crew as it is. Don't blame the recession, high oil prices, MAS, SIA, the middle management or someone's grandma. It was your doing.
Some of us have seen this happen before. Let's welcome back delays and retimes caused by insufficient crew, which will reduce guest perception of good service, lower satisfaction and ultimately reduce demand. You wanna save some money did you Tony? Let's see what reduced load factor brings to the balance sheet, share price and our market capitalization. And let's see what this situation will do to the ones that actually was stupid enough to be loyal and stayed but left with having to do extra sectors, experiencing rampant last minute duty changes and getting minimum rest. You can't continue treating professional pilots like this.
Last time this happened AirAsia wasn't publicly owned. Last time this happened company only had the JHB base to worry about. Last time this happened AirAsia has less than 12 aircraft. All 3 bases are on ngam-ngam crew as it is. Don't blame the recession, high oil prices, MAS, SIA, the middle management or someone's grandma. It was your doing.
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I Have Always Said This. What Tf Is Doing To His Pilots Is Modern Day Slavery At The Highest Order.
To Me For What Airasia Is Paying And How Tf Treats His Pilots The Turnover Or Pilots Leaving Airasia Is Still Low Compared To Others.
I Think Tf Is Smarts He Pays His Pilots Low Salary..and Puts Huge And Long Bonds..us$50k/5yrs For Type And Us$100k/15yr For Cadets (please Correct This Figure If Im Wrong).
So How Is A Fo Who Earn Us$2000 On A Good Month Can Afford $us50/100k Bond???????????
So Tf Has Got You By Your b@lls..
And The Best Part Tf Is Doing All This To His Pilots When The Times Are Good For Pilots..can You Imagine What Tf Will Do If The Times Are Bad??
And Most Airlines In The Middle East Will Want You To Settle Your Ak Bond Before You Join Them
So I Hope You Guys Can Teach Tf A Lesson..that He Shouldnt Treat Pilots Like The Way He Has Been Doing Over The Years..
So Come On Guys Teach This Bloodsucking Cheapskate A Lesson
To Me For What Airasia Is Paying And How Tf Treats His Pilots The Turnover Or Pilots Leaving Airasia Is Still Low Compared To Others.
I Think Tf Is Smarts He Pays His Pilots Low Salary..and Puts Huge And Long Bonds..us$50k/5yrs For Type And Us$100k/15yr For Cadets (please Correct This Figure If Im Wrong).
So How Is A Fo Who Earn Us$2000 On A Good Month Can Afford $us50/100k Bond???????????
So Tf Has Got You By Your b@lls..
And The Best Part Tf Is Doing All This To His Pilots When The Times Are Good For Pilots..can You Imagine What Tf Will Do If The Times Are Bad??
And Most Airlines In The Middle East Will Want You To Settle Your Ak Bond Before You Join Them
So I Hope You Guys Can Teach Tf A Lesson..that He Shouldnt Treat Pilots Like The Way He Has Been Doing Over The Years..
So Come On Guys Teach This Bloodsucking Cheapskate A Lesson
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As we are talking here mainly on the relationship between T.F. and his pilot group, my question is a bit of topic. But, as AK pilots are on this forum, maybe one can answer this.
As per yesterday AirAsiaX is flying 5 times weekly to Hangzhou and were already flying 4 times weekly to Brisbane.
As they only have one aircraft, A330, they utilize it well over 400 hours per month.
Sure it can be done and they are doing it, but, with one aircraft only,
one snag, weather, tech, and the whole schedule goes to pieces for some time.
What would be the back up plan here, or is it gambling?
Just curious.
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As per yesterday AirAsiaX is flying 5 times weekly to Hangzhou and were already flying 4 times weekly to Brisbane.
As they only have one aircraft, A330, they utilize it well over 400 hours per month.
Sure it can be done and they are doing it, but, with one aircraft only,
one snag, weather, tech, and the whole schedule goes to pieces for some time.
What would be the back up plan here, or is it gambling?
Just curious.
Regards
E.B.
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It's not a big term really as it's done elsewhere in the world. How do you think they'd have thought of it? Retimes (if it happens) is a price for low cost travelling but they'll get you to your destination safely.
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fruitless i cant anwser your question...
how to teach tf a lesson im not sure..you have to ask ak pilots that are working there now..
what puzzles me is that tf goes around the world sponsoring man utd, EPL refs and F1 team which im sure is worth millionds of dollars..i know its all in the name of brand awareness...
but come on mate charity begins at home..you go half way around the world sponsoring millions of pounds on a football team which doesnt fly your airlines...who man utd fly on their tour to asia..???????...but when its comes to his pilots he he will squeeze them to their last cent...
to me yes airasia is a success in bussiness terms...but in term of aviation and pilots what tf has done is utter shambles..i rest my case
how to teach tf a lesson im not sure..you have to ask ak pilots that are working there now..
what puzzles me is that tf goes around the world sponsoring man utd, EPL refs and F1 team which im sure is worth millionds of dollars..i know its all in the name of brand awareness...
but come on mate charity begins at home..you go half way around the world sponsoring millions of pounds on a football team which doesnt fly your airlines...who man utd fly on their tour to asia..???????...but when its comes to his pilots he he will squeeze them to their last cent...
to me yes airasia is a success in bussiness terms...but in term of aviation and pilots what tf has done is utter shambles..i rest my case
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Yes, retimed, seen it happen. But that was not my curiosity.
As it is a long haul low cost operation as advertised, what happens with the passengers when, for example, the aircraft shows up 8 hours late into K.L. and same aircraft departs for Brisbane and arrives there 8 hours late etc.Ripple effect. Will the waiting passengers being left on their own, send home, sent to hotel, food and drinks? Who will pay for the inconveniences, AKX? From what budget, its low cost you know. Or the pax themselves, they will not be happy campers in that scenario and the sweet smell of low price will be long forgotten as the bitterness of dissapointment remains long thereafter.
You can retime all you want on short sectors but on long haul it will have more serious consequences, money wise, and using your one and only aircraft to the max? I think its a cunning plan, daring.
Hence my curiosity.
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As it is a long haul low cost operation as advertised, what happens with the passengers when, for example, the aircraft shows up 8 hours late into K.L. and same aircraft departs for Brisbane and arrives there 8 hours late etc.Ripple effect. Will the waiting passengers being left on their own, send home, sent to hotel, food and drinks? Who will pay for the inconveniences, AKX? From what budget, its low cost you know. Or the pax themselves, they will not be happy campers in that scenario and the sweet smell of low price will be long forgotten as the bitterness of dissapointment remains long thereafter.
You can retime all you want on short sectors but on long haul it will have more serious consequences, money wise, and using your one and only aircraft to the max? I think its a cunning plan, daring.
Hence my curiosity.
Regards
E.B.