An epileptic pilot could be flying in India??
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media is doing there job to fill the paper with spice.
civil aviation doing there job by making flying safe.
india follows ICAO medical health standreds strictly.
if some body is flying with lower medical standreds that means he/she flying on his countries licence and not indian licence.
recently civil aviation had English competency test introduced, and now it looks to be Psychometry soon.
i don"t know what prompted you to reprint a Newspaper article.
without understanding/knowing circumctances and fects of civil aviation in the region.
when short on information best is not to count others kidneys,not to look others plate and eat what you have in your plate.
civil aviation doing there job by making flying safe.
india follows ICAO medical health standreds strictly.
if some body is flying with lower medical standreds that means he/she flying on his countries licence and not indian licence.
recently civil aviation had English competency test introduced, and now it looks to be Psychometry soon.
i don"t know what prompted you to reprint a Newspaper article.
without understanding/knowing circumctances and fects of civil aviation in the region.
when short on information best is not to count others kidneys,not to look others plate and eat what you have in your plate.
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Getsetgo--I normally would not dignify your reply with a response but I feel that in light of what you have stated I probably should. First off, PPrune forums are for exchange of ideas, information, dialogue etc. You don't always have the same point of view but you can voice your opinion with respect and integrity. When I came across the article I found it to be rather bizarre, almost unbelievable. Therefore I thought it would be on interest to Ppruners.
Apparently some of you thought it was in poor taste, and I acknowledge that.
You will find that I even posted an apology to those I may have offended. There is not much else I can do. When I posted the article I had no idea who there were talking about. Now ofcourse NGexpat has said that he is one of the parties mentioned. If NGexpat & his family have no issue with my post, then I don't see why you should continue with these comments.
And by the way I am quite familiar with civil aviation (been in it over 25 years). I have also flown all over the world and lived in countries you cannot spell. I hope that you are not a pilot because your spelling and command of the english knowledge is a disgrace. Let me list some of your spelling errors: there job, civil aviation there job, standreds, fects, circumcstances. You may pass the psychometry test but I doubt you will make it through the english!
Have a nice life.
Apparently some of you thought it was in poor taste, and I acknowledge that.
You will find that I even posted an apology to those I may have offended. There is not much else I can do. When I posted the article I had no idea who there were talking about. Now ofcourse NGexpat has said that he is one of the parties mentioned. If NGexpat & his family have no issue with my post, then I don't see why you should continue with these comments.
And by the way I am quite familiar with civil aviation (been in it over 25 years). I have also flown all over the world and lived in countries you cannot spell. I hope that you are not a pilot because your spelling and command of the english knowledge is a disgrace. Let me list some of your spelling errors: there job, civil aviation there job, standreds, fects, circumcstances. You may pass the psychometry test but I doubt you will make it through the english!
Have a nice life.
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Navrekar…when I saw your topic (cut and paste job) as a layman I understood it as some body is trying to malign his own fellow worker at his work place.
I hope your job helps the ppruners. At the same time I wish it is also helpful for your fellow colleagues.
From some of the replies in the thread what I understand that many others read the newspaper articles but they refrained to do the way you did.
And they are equally updated with the newspapers, your working environment
And other means of information.
Certainly with 25 years in the job nobody will put his fellow buddies in cut and paste manner, and then get away by saying sorry to them, some times its not the just individual and his immediate family but all who are in the same profession are like one family.(mostly).
With due respect to your 25 years in the job and working in so many countries like a rolling stone, it can happen if the employer is not liking the attitude and fires, then no choice but to move to next country.
As far as my spelling check…..this job is done by my secretary.
And I am typing from a keyboard which does not have English characters keys.
(So it’s hard to catch-up with proper words)
This keyboard is different and is another language which you won’t understand.
Your thought is very positive to help ppruners, but action not really so,
And if it was substantiated with some substance and that would have really be nice.
Because newspapers every body reads.
I hope your job helps the ppruners. At the same time I wish it is also helpful for your fellow colleagues.
From some of the replies in the thread what I understand that many others read the newspaper articles but they refrained to do the way you did.
And they are equally updated with the newspapers, your working environment
And other means of information.
Certainly with 25 years in the job nobody will put his fellow buddies in cut and paste manner, and then get away by saying sorry to them, some times its not the just individual and his immediate family but all who are in the same profession are like one family.(mostly).
With due respect to your 25 years in the job and working in so many countries like a rolling stone, it can happen if the employer is not liking the attitude and fires, then no choice but to move to next country.
As far as my spelling check…..this job is done by my secretary.
And I am typing from a keyboard which does not have English characters keys.
(So it’s hard to catch-up with proper words)
This keyboard is different and is another language which you won’t understand.
Your thought is very positive to help ppruners, but action not really so,
And if it was substantiated with some substance and that would have really be nice.
Because newspapers every body reads.
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Getsetgo--I should have clarified. My living in many countries all over the world has nothing to do with aviation or being fired by employers as you have suggested. My father being a career diplomat for over 30 years was given assignments every 3 years as is customary. Most of my adult life was spent in the USA with airlines that provided me with international flying. PM me for any further exchanges.
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regarding medical issue for a pilot not meeting the requirements of the medical board at india.
pilot can make an appeal to the medical board though DGCA.
there after
Normally borderline cases are ok to fly on indian licence as well.
and recommended route to fly is consult DGCA approved spacialist,get the required checks done,After spacialist opinion & recommendation make an appeal to DGCA assesment board. thats all is required.
Non ETOPS route is keep away from your colegues
average life expectancy india is 50-60 years
hats off to DGCA and medical board who kept pilots healthy above 65 yrs.
pilot can make an appeal to the medical board though DGCA.
there after
Normally borderline cases are ok to fly on indian licence as well.
and recommended route to fly is consult DGCA approved spacialist,get the required checks done,After spacialist opinion & recommendation make an appeal to DGCA assesment board. thats all is required.
Non ETOPS route is keep away from your colegues
average life expectancy india is 50-60 years
hats off to DGCA and medical board who kept pilots healthy above 65 yrs.
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Well thanks to Manju V and Mr. Ranganathan, I have lost my job in India. The half truths and lies that were printed regarding me has caused the DGCA to lift my FATA and not allow me to fly.
The saddest part is that I somewhat trusted my airlines Indian management to get this matter put to bed. Wrong again....they dont have the balls to stand up to the DGCA. I have asked to see a copy of this decision in writing, but those requests go unanswered. As have the requests to apply for loss of license insurance.
They dont even have the courtesy to pay me for at least the 30 days that my contract calls for.
Word to those of you thinking about going to India......DO NOT do it.....if you think you are protected by your contract you are sadly mistaken. You might as well wipe your butt with it, because that is about all it is good for.
The saddest part is that I somewhat trusted my airlines Indian management to get this matter put to bed. Wrong again....they dont have the balls to stand up to the DGCA. I have asked to see a copy of this decision in writing, but those requests go unanswered. As have the requests to apply for loss of license insurance.
They dont even have the courtesy to pay me for at least the 30 days that my contract calls for.
Word to those of you thinking about going to India......DO NOT do it.....if you think you are protected by your contract you are sadly mistaken. You might as well wipe your butt with it, because that is about all it is good for.
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Word to those of you thinking about going to India......DO NOT do it.....if you think you are protected by your contract you are sadly mistaken. You might as well wipe your butt with it, because that is about all it is good for.
company here, I do have the same experience as NG Expat with Jet Lite formely Air Sahara, initially I have hope when Jet Airways take Air Sahara over but funniest things are they still hire the same management that bring Air Sahara down, so Jet Airways bought Air Sahara just only to change the name to Jet Lite, then all expat leave
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I'm so sorry to hear about you losing you job thanks to half truths and sloppy reporting, and your company not having the balls to back you up shows how indifferent to an employee they can be. A shameful day for aviation in India. I'll be sure and drink a cold beer to your good health on my next trip. FLCH
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Dear NG Expat,
I am really sorry to hear of your plight. The back stabbing mentality of the aviation community astounds and astonishes me. Just a poor bloke that wants to go flying and earn his daily bread. And, legally to boot.
I wish you every success in the future. Perhaps as one door closes a more promising door will open.
Regards,
Wooblah.
I am really sorry to hear of your plight. The back stabbing mentality of the aviation community astounds and astonishes me. Just a poor bloke that wants to go flying and earn his daily bread. And, legally to boot.
I wish you every success in the future. Perhaps as one door closes a more promising door will open.
Regards,
Wooblah.
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I am equally saddened to hear of this event. It is important for management to take the high road on this issue. Leaving someone out to dry without a proper explanation, loss of license insurance and pay is not right.
It is very unfortunate that they have not done so.It's not about who's right but what is right. Speedwotten- My positive remarks about Spicejet and India are based on my very own experience thus far but I am painfully aware that not everyone shares the same sentiment. I only report what I am aware of or what I have experienced. My negative comments regarding Spicejet relate to rostering. They advertised a monthly schedule when I joined. It was very attractive at the time as I envisioned being able to make plans, travel and have social gatherings at home. That concept has been a flop show. The roster is a daily/hourly one and I work 6 days a week.The only way of knowing my day off is when I fly 6 days, and they have to give me the day off. But I realize that everyone (including locals) are flying 6 days a week. So I don't feel that special! NG expat--I wish you well and godspeed. You were targeted for some reason and it was shameful the way it was done. Shame on those responsible for your involuntary departure
As far as rostering, to be fair to Spicejet--They have tried to accomodate whenever possible in order for me to fulfill certain social/family obligations.
It is very unfortunate that they have not done so.It's not about who's right but what is right. Speedwotten- My positive remarks about Spicejet and India are based on my very own experience thus far but I am painfully aware that not everyone shares the same sentiment. I only report what I am aware of or what I have experienced. My negative comments regarding Spicejet relate to rostering. They advertised a monthly schedule when I joined. It was very attractive at the time as I envisioned being able to make plans, travel and have social gatherings at home. That concept has been a flop show. The roster is a daily/hourly one and I work 6 days a week.The only way of knowing my day off is when I fly 6 days, and they have to give me the day off. But I realize that everyone (including locals) are flying 6 days a week. So I don't feel that special! NG expat--I wish you well and godspeed. You were targeted for some reason and it was shameful the way it was done. Shame on those responsible for your involuntary departure
As far as rostering, to be fair to Spicejet--They have tried to accomodate whenever possible in order for me to fulfill certain social/family obligations.
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flash back
old thread ...........my view over this period of time.
as i see NG Expat is a very honest pilot.
what i guessed a year back ,its confirmed.
this act of cut and paste job is done by his own cowrker.
expat pilot no need to do indian medical ,but NG Expat was made to do by same people ,same company ,same jungle.
by now jungle is well cultivated.
what a shame.
as i see NG Expat is a very honest pilot.
what i guessed a year back ,its confirmed.
this act of cut and paste job is done by his own cowrker.
expat pilot no need to do indian medical ,but NG Expat was made to do by same people ,same company ,same jungle.
by now jungle is well cultivated.
what a shame.
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The EEG is archaic. It is a tool to induce an epileptic fit. When it does what is expected they pull the medical. (God there some brillant minds around that think this crap up). Well cool, the subject is not perfect. Anyone on the boards who is a perfect specimen? Of course not. We are all going to die, therefore not perfect. We all have cancer that will manifest itself at a later date if we live long enough, so let's all ground ourselves.
Why not introduce a test to induce cardiac arrest? Now there's an idea, what? Let's load the candidate up to the point he/she has a heart attach. Good catch that, then if they weren,t fit to fly before the test they certainly wont be fit to fly after the test.
India needs to get into the first world on this and not remain in the dark ages. India could learn a lot from our friends in the US. If you are old enough to remember, it was the Americans who put a man on the moon 40 years ago next year.
India is talking about putting a man on the moon by 2015 I believe. Well it wont happen. The reason being all the candidates will fail the medical!!! The medical standards are such that almost nobody is fit enough to operate an aircraft, multi crew, so it would be out of the question to find a perfect specimen suitable for space flight.
Why not introduce a test to induce cardiac arrest? Now there's an idea, what? Let's load the candidate up to the point he/she has a heart attach. Good catch that, then if they weren,t fit to fly before the test they certainly wont be fit to fly after the test.
India needs to get into the first world on this and not remain in the dark ages. India could learn a lot from our friends in the US. If you are old enough to remember, it was the Americans who put a man on the moon 40 years ago next year.
India is talking about putting a man on the moon by 2015 I believe. Well it wont happen. The reason being all the candidates will fail the medical!!! The medical standards are such that almost nobody is fit enough to operate an aircraft, multi crew, so it would be out of the question to find a perfect specimen suitable for space flight.
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Getsetgo,
Thank you for your kind words. Sometimes you truly amaze me. But please do not pick on Neverkar. He was doing nothing more than passing on a well publicized news story.
While last year at this time, I certainly failed to see much humor in the situation, I have since realized that the entire situation really was somewhat humorous.
An idiot Newspaper Reporter, taking some totally false information from another idiot who had been fired at Spice Jet. Talk about a lack of credibility on both sides!
As a side note, I am well employed with my "borrowed kidney." I always thought the word borrowed meant that at sometime you had to give it back!!
Thank you for your kind words. Sometimes you truly amaze me. But please do not pick on Neverkar. He was doing nothing more than passing on a well publicized news story.
While last year at this time, I certainly failed to see much humor in the situation, I have since realized that the entire situation really was somewhat humorous.
An idiot Newspaper Reporter, taking some totally false information from another idiot who had been fired at Spice Jet. Talk about a lack of credibility on both sides!
As a side note, I am well employed with my "borrowed kidney." I always thought the word borrowed meant that at sometime you had to give it back!!
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av8r76:
I thought that only applied to Earth. Rather than deporting us, they may just fire us off into space!
NGExpat:
Funny how things work out. If this hadn't happened you might be stuck in a less-desirable situation over here. You hit the trail at the right time. Manju and whats-his-name did you a favor, it seems.
Yeah, love the term "borrowed". What's the interest rate on a human organ?
sorry, decrees no expats after 2010
I thought that only applied to Earth. Rather than deporting us, they may just fire us off into space!
NGExpat:
I am well employed with my "borrowed" kidney
Yeah, love the term "borrowed". What's the interest rate on a human organ?
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It cost me a new Mercedes!!!
You could always trade the kidney back in for the car, but a Benz would look funny towing a dialysis machine around ...
Sorry, couldn't resist ...
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dear NG Expat
very good to see you are flying, and flying in a civilised world.
enjoy flying and i wish every thing best.
very good to see you are flying, and flying in a civilised world.
enjoy flying and i wish every thing best.
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if india becomes like US or dgca like FAA then pilot production will go up.
by 2010 too many will be siiting looking for jobs.
so enjoy the 3rd world.
some how in this thread NG Expat (expat pilot) was sent to do medical at dgca by expat management.
his expat friends did cut n paste job.
NG Expat passed the medical examination.
still he loose job n money due to him.(i guess)
medical is someones personal issue, even if the company knew this,it was very bad on part of the company to make it public in this manner and also send the pilot to dgca medical.
some one leaked company information.
when expats push expats for medical at dgca, dgca against wish has to do the needful.Even dgca didnot like spicejet sending expat for medical.
incredible india is just watching this circus, most of the rules are same for FATA etc.
dgca still follows old rules which are hard to change till 2037.
so enjoy FATA ,donot worry about medicals.
speedtwoton remarks above worth a note.
speedwoten
most of the complaints from passenger and pilots are from low cost operators, and they do not pay dues when you have left the company.
if india becomes like US or dgca like FAA then pilot production will go up.
by 2010 too many will be siiting looking for jobs.
so enjoy the 3rd world.
some how in this thread NG Expat (expat pilot) was sent to do medical at dgca by expat management.
his expat friends did cut n paste job.
NG Expat passed the medical examination.
still he loose job n money due to him.(i guess)
medical is someones personal issue, even if the company knew this,it was very bad on part of the company to make it public in this manner and also send the pilot to dgca medical.
some one leaked company information.
when expats push expats for medical at dgca, dgca against wish has to do the needful.Even dgca didnot like spicejet sending expat for medical.
incredible india is just watching this circus, most of the rules are same for FATA etc.
dgca still follows old rules which are hard to change till 2037.
so enjoy FATA ,donot worry about medicals.
speedtwoton remarks above worth a note.
speedwoten
most of the complaints from passenger and pilots are from low cost operators, and they do not pay dues when you have left the company.
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