Vietnam Airlines (info please)
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Cowboy, you seem to answer your own question, so not real sure what information you're asking.
Cadet, yes there are a few special circumstances where pilots were hired directly, almost zero chance that it would work for you though, and by the way, pilots working directly for VAC are on a local salary.
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Cadet, yes there are a few special circumstances where pilots were hired directly, almost zero chance that it would work for you though, and by the way, pilots working directly for VAC are on a local salary.
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777 FO roster
I'm seriously considering joining Vietnam Airlines as a FO on the 777.
I've read all the post, but not been able to find specific roster information for the 777.
I would really appreciate if someone could either post or PM me a full expat FO roster for the 777. A couple of months worth would be great, to get an idea of what to expect.
Thank you very much.
Regards
I've read all the post, but not been able to find specific roster information for the 777.
I would really appreciate if someone could either post or PM me a full expat FO roster for the 777. A couple of months worth would be great, to get an idea of what to expect.
Thank you very much.
Regards
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"almost zero chance that it would work for you though"
hi, thank you. btw, what exactly do you mean by this?
i have some hours on the bus, contract work is not to my taste.... i prefer permanent long term job.
thanks
hi, thank you. btw, what exactly do you mean by this?
i have some hours on the bus, contract work is not to my taste.... i prefer permanent long term job.
thanks
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PappyJ,
I've no idea what's wrong with you, but anyway, i removed the "baby" and "small" since you didn't like them. No point trying to argue.
gents, i really want to know if any foreigners get hired on permanent basis(directly by them).
I've no idea what's wrong with you, but anyway, i removed the "baby" and "small" since you didn't like them. No point trying to argue.
gents, i really want to know if any foreigners get hired on permanent basis(directly by them).
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Jeez pappy ... chill out ... everyone calls it a baby bus, including plenty of mega experienced captains at my last company, it's like a gesture of love and affection.
With regard to contract work malaysia-cadet, I don't think you understand how it works here ...
1) Locals get paid a LOT less than contractors. Many thousand US$ less.
2) If you are on a local contract you'd be paid in Vietnamese dong which is a non-convertible currency, so you can only spend it in Vietnam and can't take it back to Malaysia.
3) Locals lose out on a lot of other perks the contractors get, i.e. when we go out of base they have to stay in the old-skool company accommodation while the expats get the Sheraton, locals get no ID90s, etc etc.
Basically you'd be crazy to voluntarily want to be on a local contract if you qualify as an expat.
With regard to contract work malaysia-cadet, I don't think you understand how it works here ...
1) Locals get paid a LOT less than contractors. Many thousand US$ less.
2) If you are on a local contract you'd be paid in Vietnamese dong which is a non-convertible currency, so you can only spend it in Vietnam and can't take it back to Malaysia.
3) Locals lose out on a lot of other perks the contractors get, i.e. when we go out of base they have to stay in the old-skool company accommodation while the expats get the Sheraton, locals get no ID90s, etc etc.
Basically you'd be crazy to voluntarily want to be on a local contract if you qualify as an expat.
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777 fo roster
I'm seriously considering joining Vietnam Airlines as a FO on the 777.
I've read all the post, but not been able to find specific roster information for the 777.
I would really appreciate if someone could either post or PM me a full expat FO roster for the 777. A couple of months worth would be great, to get an idea of what to expect.
Thank you very much.
Regards
I've read all the post, but not been able to find specific roster information for the 777.
I would really appreciate if someone could either post or PM me a full expat FO roster for the 777. A couple of months worth would be great, to get an idea of what to expect.
Thank you very much.
Regards
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In 777, you fly about 60hrs in average. Currently the destination for expet, except Russian, r only CDG, FRA, ICN, HAN, and rarely SYD.
VA does issue monthly roaster at the beginning of the month, but it changes a lot and basically you only know your schedule for the next couple days by phone.
People are generally very nice to go along with; very relaxing life and company culture.
VA does issue monthly roaster at the beginning of the month, but it changes a lot and basically you only know your schedule for the next couple days by phone.
People are generally very nice to go along with; very relaxing life and company culture.
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Soundbarrier,
I agree parts of Africa(VN) are way behind, Libya(HAN) being one of them.
The problem is, everything is behind including their CAA(V). This means that the airlines are doing whatever they want - as another poster has stated the airline in question has had pilots failed by Expat TRI/TRE only to find out the decision has been reversed by a "local TRE" at the behest of the company.
The end result is that you have people who dont know what they are doing, flying in an environment that sets them up to fail, in an airline that only brings out the books and SMS system when overseas inspections are taking place.
You have brand new Airbus aircraft being operated in, what amounts to no more than a cowboy bush operation - sadly that a newly painted and shiny jet fools many people into thinking that this is a safe "European type operation". It is not... far from it.
Until the larger picture in Libya (VN) changes, put that Libyan (VN) pride aside and put the best people in the flight deck - irrespective of their nationality.
On the ground get good people that actually know the aircraft and want to work... people who bother to take their tools to SA and not just sit there for weeks on end collecting the money and not looking after the aircraft.
People who know how to change a wheel... and not try and say its fine to fly the aircraft with huge cuts running through the sidewall... people who will not try and tell a native English speaker the MEL says something else and it is ok to fly... when it quite clearly is not.
I know there are many problems in Africa (VN) I have seen them first hand... but this is NO excuse for a loss of life... It may or may not have played a part in this accident.
However it has in many others and left unchecked will continue to do so... So please don't use "this is Africa (VN)" as an excuse it just wont wash with me.
PT6A
I agree parts of Africa(VN) are way behind, Libya(HAN) being one of them.
The problem is, everything is behind including their CAA(V). This means that the airlines are doing whatever they want - as another poster has stated the airline in question has had pilots failed by Expat TRI/TRE only to find out the decision has been reversed by a "local TRE" at the behest of the company.
The end result is that you have people who dont know what they are doing, flying in an environment that sets them up to fail, in an airline that only brings out the books and SMS system when overseas inspections are taking place.
You have brand new Airbus aircraft being operated in, what amounts to no more than a cowboy bush operation - sadly that a newly painted and shiny jet fools many people into thinking that this is a safe "European type operation". It is not... far from it.
Until the larger picture in Libya (VN) changes, put that Libyan (VN) pride aside and put the best people in the flight deck - irrespective of their nationality.
On the ground get good people that actually know the aircraft and want to work... people who bother to take their tools to SA and not just sit there for weeks on end collecting the money and not looking after the aircraft.
People who know how to change a wheel... and not try and say its fine to fly the aircraft with huge cuts running through the sidewall... people who will not try and tell a native English speaker the MEL says something else and it is ok to fly... when it quite clearly is not.
I know there are many problems in Africa (VN) I have seen them first hand... but this is NO excuse for a loss of life... It may or may not have played a part in this accident.
However it has in many others and left unchecked will continue to do so... So please don't use "this is Africa (VN)" as an excuse it just wont wash with me.
PT6A
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I have read the detailed requirements on VNA's recruitment webpage but does anyone know or heard of them taking on fATPL F/Os with a self-funded A320 TR with zero hours on type ? (I realise that their A320s will be phased out in a couple of years' time.) Advice appreciated.
