Clark Aviation 12 month MPL program -not achievable????
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keep the faith
Ive been watching from the side for nearly a year now... without ever saying anything. untill now
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To all cadets just remember to keep the faith, sure the school has gone through its ups and downs but one thing is for sure the CA will not let us down. At the end of the day we have invested our time and money with them and they have invested quite a sum of money time reputation and efford to build the first A320 MPL school in the world. So just keep the faith and trust the mgment,they have nothing but the best of interest in their minds for each and every student. Things will work out, and yes each and every one of us will have a brilliant future thanks to CA...
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Stay away from people like mike and the people that are paying him to riun not the school but yes our future..and those students that seem to have nothing better to say than bad things about CA...
Remember this.. MPL is approved her in the phil. this is a fact.
ingat to all the students at CA and be proud of the school.
PS hahahaha nice to see mike the snake removing some of his posts..haha..so start playing nice mike...thats my recomendation to you as a friend of course hahahaha
.To all cadets just remember to keep the faith, sure the school has gone through its ups and downs but one thing is for sure the CA will not let us down. At the end of the day we have invested our time and money with them and they have invested quite a sum of money time reputation and efford to build the first A320 MPL school in the world. So just keep the faith and trust the mgment,they have nothing but the best of interest in their minds for each and every student. Things will work out, and yes each and every one of us will have a brilliant future thanks to CA...
.Stay away from people like mike and the people that are paying him to riun not the school but yes our future..and those students that seem to have nothing better to say than bad things about CA...
Remember this.. MPL is approved her in the phil. this is a fact.
ingat to all the students at CA and be proud of the school
.PS hahahaha nice to see mike the snake removing some of his posts..haha..so start playing nice mike...thats my recomendation to you as a friend of course hahahaha
Rick Norman had the guts to identify himself in a "no-holds-barred" forum(almost, anyway). If I were to complain about a person I'd write to him directly, or see him personally.
Nobody's perfect - I've made mistakes, and people under my supervision have made mistakes as well. I hate to state this but it seems necessary to establish credibility: I'm a widebody captain,
In those few occasions my chief pilot would call me to his office and I'd get my well-deserved dressing-down - but behind closed doors. In turn, my erring first officer gets his measure of constructive criticism - but only with the two of us in the flight deck (I send the second officer out)... I do the same with cabin attendants, behind a closed flight deck door.
Nobody's perfect - I've made mistakes, and people under my supervision have made mistakes as well. I hate to state this but it seems necessary to establish credibility: I'm a widebody captain,
In those few occasions my chief pilot would call me to his office and I'd get my well-deserved dressing-down - but behind closed doors. In turn, my erring first officer gets his measure of constructive criticism - but only with the two of us in the flight deck (I send the second officer out)... I do the same with cabin attendants, behind a closed flight deck door.
How I wish more people can be level headed as you sir. Hopefully you don't get to train with these 70 hour stick and rudder wonders, if you do I will leave it to you to judge their handling and scanning sir.
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From FourStripes: "Hopefully you don't get to train with these 70 hour stick and rudder wonders, if you do I will leave it to you to judge their handling and scanning"
Thank you for your comment, FourStripes. I've done miracles with low-time students, chopper pilots, hard-headed characters, high-time pilots with bad habits, etc. and somehow qualified them on twin- and quad-jets. All of my students made it, I'm proud to say.
The 70-hour wonders are something else and I'll welcome the opportunity to handle at least a set. I'll know within the first two or three sessions if they can make it within the specified number of sim hours. The fast learners will likely make it with no extension. In my book this is about 5-10% of an average batch.
The key here is not to wait too long between the end of the 70-hour course and the start of the simulator phase. The school has to have enough equipment to keep the momentum ... CBTs, FMGS trainers, FTDs, and of course flight simulators.
Since it appears this is not the case, I suggest you MPL pioneers study the FCOMs/CBT, stick those instrument panels on the wall and bunk-fly with a partner regularly, train your instrument scanning with the A320 Flight Simulator on the PC. That's what my 200-hour students did, and they all made it. With 70 hours under your belt you'll have to try harder, with blood sweat and tears, but I'm certain if you do your part you can make it.
Take care and keep cool. Good luck and God bless you fellows.
Thank you for your comment, FourStripes. I've done miracles with low-time students, chopper pilots, hard-headed characters, high-time pilots with bad habits, etc. and somehow qualified them on twin- and quad-jets. All of my students made it, I'm proud to say.
The 70-hour wonders are something else and I'll welcome the opportunity to handle at least a set. I'll know within the first two or three sessions if they can make it within the specified number of sim hours. The fast learners will likely make it with no extension. In my book this is about 5-10% of an average batch.
The key here is not to wait too long between the end of the 70-hour course and the start of the simulator phase. The school has to have enough equipment to keep the momentum ... CBTs, FMGS trainers, FTDs, and of course flight simulators.
Since it appears this is not the case, I suggest you MPL pioneers study the FCOMs/CBT, stick those instrument panels on the wall and bunk-fly with a partner regularly, train your instrument scanning with the A320 Flight Simulator on the PC. That's what my 200-hour students did, and they all made it. With 70 hours under your belt you'll have to try harder, with blood sweat and tears, but I'm certain if you do your part you can make it.
Take care and keep cool. Good luck and God bless you fellows.
Now, is it still possible for Clark Aviation to achieved that promised "12 month" program????? Nobody knows!!! Even the school administrator themselves are not transparent with their milestone
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But let us not forget the rescue effort of OMNI Aviation.
Even if OMNI has new aircraft for training. they will exceed the Flight Instructors duty time or in this case the max. allowable flgitht time in a day which is 8 hours.
Care to comment on this rq4globalhawk? If you were asked to be a consultant in the matter what will you advise Clark Aviation?
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new planes for OMNI
The new planes from OMNI has arrived but it will take about 2 months max before it can be used for training for both OMNI students and CA Cadets.
Atleast OMNI has gotten new planes, what about Clark Aviation?
Looks like a merger is in play, will Clark Aviation buy out OMNI?
So it is true that we can rename them Clark Institute of OMNI, or does Clark OMNI Institute of Aviation sound better?
Atleast OMNI has gotten new planes, what about Clark Aviation?
Looks like a merger is in play, will Clark Aviation buy out OMNI?
So it is true that we can rename them Clark Institute of OMNI, or does Clark OMNI Institute of Aviation sound better?
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I very much doubt CA will buy OMNI. Not unless CA is interested in the private strip. Otherwise it will just be a waste of company resources. Given that the CEO is facing several lawsuits. all the money is going to his lawyers instead of the school.
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Gulf Air Audit of Clark Aviation
FOQ0726-1
1 Three (3) different versions of organizational
chart exist in the current Clark Aviation
manuals, all differing from each other.
FOQ0726-2 1 The company structure is not clear in the
Operations Manual, including a clear
identification of the FTO/TRTO certificate
holder.
Three different entities are specified in the
Clark manuals:
chart exist in the current Clark Aviation
manuals, all differing from each other.
FOQ0726-2 1 The company structure is not clear in the
Operations Manual, including a clear
identification of the FTO/TRTO certificate
holder.
Three different entities are specified in the
Clark manuals:
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Alpha Aviation Group (this is the
parent/holding company)
parent/holding company)
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International Aviation Group Development
Corporation (this is the name of the
Operating company)
Corporation (this is the name of the
Operating company)
•
Clark Aviation (the name under which
IAGDC operates as a flight training
facility)
There is currently an “identity crisis” in the
documentary description and illustration of
the actual working relationship of these
entities, and of the manner in which the key
personnel involved conduct the required
management activities.
FOQ0726-3 1 This position is identified as a position, title
and name on two of the three organizational
charts. However, this person is not
IAGDC operates as a flight training
facility)
There is currently an “identity crisis” in the
documentary description and illustration of
the actual working relationship of these
entities, and of the manner in which the key
personnel involved conduct the required
management activities.
FOQ0726-3 1 This position is identified as a position, title
and name on two of the three organizational
charts. However, this person is not
permanently on-site at Clark Aviation. The
manner in which the responsibilities of the
Accountable Manager are conducted
remotely, or are delegated in his absence,
are not described in the Clark Aviation
manuals.
FOQ0726-4
Accountable Manager are conducted
remotely, or are delegated in his absence,
are not described in the Clark Aviation
manuals.
FOQ0726-4
1 There is a lack of clear identification, in some
of the relevant manuals, of holders of the
following key management positions:
of the relevant manuals, of holders of the
following key management positions:
•
Head of Training (currently carried out by
the Flight Operations Manager)
the Flight Operations Manager)
•
Chief Flying Instructor (this position is
currently unfilled)
currently unfilled)
•
Chief Ground Instructor
Quality Manager (this position is currently
Quality Manager (this position is currently
unfilled)
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Download GulfAir Audit Of Clark Aviation
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manina
Thank you for posting that.
Is the date of the audit Jan 05? If so it is a bit out of date really.
Aero
The only thing that any audit will do is highlight things the auditors believe to be lacking/at fault. It will not highlight 'good' things, therefore it is common that most audits read like a really good slagging off. There is nothing there that cannot be fixed without a bit of application. Often, the quality systems are so complex that operators are not aware of non-compliance until it is highlighted by an audit. Audits are there to improve systems, and different companies operate to different standards on their own audits.
Thank you for posting that.
Is the date of the audit Jan 05? If so it is a bit out of date really.
Aero
The only thing that any audit will do is highlight things the auditors believe to be lacking/at fault. It will not highlight 'good' things, therefore it is common that most audits read like a really good slagging off. There is nothing there that cannot be fixed without a bit of application. Often, the quality systems are so complex that operators are not aware of non-compliance until it is highlighted by an audit. Audits are there to improve systems, and different companies operate to different standards on their own audits.
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thanks for posting manina, it is certainly damaging in clark av's part, but i guess this is what they need in order to push their organization to do what is right in accordance to ATO and other regulatory standards.
A sort of waking them up!!!! But i believe it's hard to waken-up those who are pretending to be asleep...
Nice one manina!!!
A sort of waking them up!!!! But i believe it's hard to waken-up those who are pretending to be asleep...
Nice one manina!!!
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Yeah Right!
the people who run this place aren't your typical Philippine college yearbook editor who'll run away with everyone's money.
I invite Colin,Matt,Rick,Anthony, even the CEO to debate on this issue!!!!
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It looks as if CIA has a bad management!
Reading through all of this and hearing what the locals over there in the Philippines are saying it looks like a real big booboo or just another "money making" venture without delivering the services contracted for.
Judging from the posts here and in other forums this venture seems to be a dying one until such time Cebu Pacific does not really step in hard.
I guess one of their directors is better in running pubs and night joints than running a serious business like a professional aviation school.
Let's wait and see what will happen there. Maybe some more insights would be great and could maybe open the eyes of the management of CIA.
Judging from the posts here and in other forums this venture seems to be a dying one until such time Cebu Pacific does not really step in hard.
I guess one of their directors is better in running pubs and night joints than running a serious business like a professional aviation school.
Let's wait and see what will happen there. Maybe some more insights would be great and could maybe open the eyes of the management of CIA.
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I am new to this forum, and have just moved to the area. I do not know Clark Aviation, but here are a few unbiased observations.
There seems to be a lot of vitriol posted on this thread concerning CA, but it is coming from the same few posters, and looking at the style of language used, some of those posters are using a number of different 'handles' on this thread.
ads1963
How can it be a moneymaking venture? First launches into aviation businesses are not money making they are more than often money loss situations. With the high amount of investment required to start such a venture, it is normally 3 - 4 years before a business like this can hope to even break even and show any return on investment.
Manina
Be careful. You say these things with anonymity, make sure that you remain anonymous. This is a public forum and you are on very thin ice if the laws of slander and defamation of character are applied. Why should the Directors of any company debate their business on an open forum anyway?
As for the post concerning the link/contents of the audit, whilst interesting you are again playing with fire. Speaking from experience these things are very confidential. There will be two parties interested here, CA and Gulf Air. In order to carry out any audit, the company conducting the audit would be tied in to a pretty thorough confidentiality agreement. This has now been broken one way or another. If I were management in Gulf Air i would hire every geek i could lay my hands on to trace the person who has leaked the document, and then sue their asses off before CA sued my ass off. If the leak was from within CA then the individual concerned should themselves be concerned. The damage is done now, I am sure all concerned have hard/electronic copies of appropriate pages and will already be pursuing the matter.
Before you ask, I am nothing to do with CA, just a professional aviator who sees the normal banter and moaning i normally read on Jetblast and the Mil Forum turned into real vitriol on this thread.
Nobody is anonymous on an anonymous forum
I am amazed the Mods have let this thread go so far
safe flying
There seems to be a lot of vitriol posted on this thread concerning CA, but it is coming from the same few posters, and looking at the style of language used, some of those posters are using a number of different 'handles' on this thread.
ads1963
How can it be a moneymaking venture? First launches into aviation businesses are not money making they are more than often money loss situations. With the high amount of investment required to start such a venture, it is normally 3 - 4 years before a business like this can hope to even break even and show any return on investment.
Manina
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the people who run this place aren't your typical Philippine college yearbook editor who'll run away with everyone's money.
I beg to disagree.....
I invite Colin,Matt,Rick,Anthony, even the CEO to debate on this issue!!!!
the people who run this place aren't your typical Philippine college yearbook editor who'll run away with everyone's money.
I beg to disagree.....
I invite Colin,Matt,Rick,Anthony, even the CEO to debate on this issue!!!!
As for the post concerning the link/contents of the audit, whilst interesting you are again playing with fire. Speaking from experience these things are very confidential. There will be two parties interested here, CA and Gulf Air. In order to carry out any audit, the company conducting the audit would be tied in to a pretty thorough confidentiality agreement. This has now been broken one way or another. If I were management in Gulf Air i would hire every geek i could lay my hands on to trace the person who has leaked the document, and then sue their asses off before CA sued my ass off. If the leak was from within CA then the individual concerned should themselves be concerned. The damage is done now, I am sure all concerned have hard/electronic copies of appropriate pages and will already be pursuing the matter.
Before you ask, I am nothing to do with CA, just a professional aviator who sees the normal banter and moaning i normally read on Jetblast and the Mil Forum turned into real vitriol on this thread.
Nobody is anonymous on an anonymous forum
I am amazed the Mods have let this thread go so far
safe flying
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