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"Secondly you must realize that if you go there as a first officer that is all you will be"
So it would be nice to announce at the interview.I have read somewhere:
The canditade is going to be dismissed in case of misleading the Company bla,bla,bla.......
I think it is quite fair,if this things works vice-versa.....at least this is my opinion.
So it would be nice to announce at the interview.I have read somewhere:
The canditade is going to be dismissed in case of misleading the Company bla,bla,bla.......
I think it is quite fair,if this things works vice-versa.....at least this is my opinion.
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I would really appreciate, if You gave me some information about the interview and the sim screening after finishing it. I heard that they screen You on B737 or B747 depending on sim availability. I have appllied for FO Position there about 4 weeks ago and I have simlar experience status ( 4500 hrs turboprop! ) ! Thanx for any help!
I would really appreciate, if You gave me some information about the interview and the sim screening after finishing it. I heard that they screen You on B737 or B747 depending on sim availability. I have appllied for FO Position there about 4 weeks ago and I have simlar experience status ( 4500 hrs turboprop! ) ! Thanx for any help!
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Me thinks your two bits worth has been in to many of the local girls and that is starting to affect your judgment!
"There are a lot of younger Taiwanese guys that are now captains who did not learn to fly in the military (normally the states or Australia) and as a result speak good English and have good CRM."
If you consider getting into the left seat of a 744 with 4000hrs TT of which all of it is on the same aircraft flying ILS to ILS while spending 1/2 of that time sleeping in the bunk then have fun sleeping on your crew rest brutha! Heh but I am sure you probably purchased your command from Jetsgo!
"Sure some old dragons still lurk around but overall once you are through the training the line flying is not too bad"
I never had a problem flying the line with anyone at CAL except once. But the problem is not the line! It is the amount of hours being pushed on crews! The real problem in CAL lies in the training department! (LACK OF TRAINING DEPARTMENT)
This is a career step upwards which mostly Canadians dont seem to appreciate cause they generally bitch the most - and forget that back home in Canada some companies even make the pilots clean up the cabin after a flight in some small turboprop from one frozen wasteland to another and then pay them CA 2500$ a month.
Funny I spent the better part of 7 years in Canadian aviation.......I would gladly fly a Beech 1900D over a CAL 744. Just for the record I made about 60,000 a year in Canada flying a turbo-prop and that is not far off what most of you clowns signed on for at CAL. Remember I know exactly what you make on the 744 and yes you only pay 20% tax but the bottom line is youre selling yourself to fly a 744 which is the largest reason that Airline pilots wages are in the dumper! Do not try to justify the selling of your own worth because of what goes on in Canada. Canadian pilots are generally some of the most sought after contract pilots in the world. We are among the most professional, culturally diverse, and highly adaptable drivers around ..Dont you forget that!
"I'd much rather fly a brand new 400 around the world thanks. Even if the captain occasionally turn out to be a prick"
Again you sell yourself for about 40% of what your seat commands at a real airline.
"As an expat FO there I and many others see this for what it is and so should you. It is not a career company, but a stepping stone"
The only statement you wrote that I have to agree with.......get your time and get out before someone gets hurt!
"Taiwan might in some ways still be semi 3rd world. But if you have an open mind and are easy going you will have a good time here. The locals like to party and the girls are friendly.."
Taiwan is no where near third world! Next home leave you should get on a plane and travel to a third world country before you make such a loose statement. Taipei is a typical industrial Asian city. I liked Taipei and I generally enjoyed working with the people at CAL. However, unlike a lot of the expats working there, when the first time CAL lied to me about my Cruise Command it became apparent that I had gambled and lost. I decided to quit and move on! So I did!!!
I was Chev29 roommate in Taipei and we generally enjoyed our time there..........however like he stated. If you have a job and you are making a decent wage then steer the course as flying a 737 for a reputable company ANYWHERE is better that flying a 744 for CAL. If you are flying a large turbo prop and you enjoy your job I would stay as well! The 744 is a great airplane but it is just that.........an airplane! What is much more important in your life and your happiness!
Me thinks your two bits worth has been in to many of the local girls and that is starting to affect your judgment!
"There are a lot of younger Taiwanese guys that are now captains who did not learn to fly in the military (normally the states or Australia) and as a result speak good English and have good CRM."
If you consider getting into the left seat of a 744 with 4000hrs TT of which all of it is on the same aircraft flying ILS to ILS while spending 1/2 of that time sleeping in the bunk then have fun sleeping on your crew rest brutha! Heh but I am sure you probably purchased your command from Jetsgo!
"Sure some old dragons still lurk around but overall once you are through the training the line flying is not too bad"
I never had a problem flying the line with anyone at CAL except once. But the problem is not the line! It is the amount of hours being pushed on crews! The real problem in CAL lies in the training department! (LACK OF TRAINING DEPARTMENT)
This is a career step upwards which mostly Canadians dont seem to appreciate cause they generally bitch the most - and forget that back home in Canada some companies even make the pilots clean up the cabin after a flight in some small turboprop from one frozen wasteland to another and then pay them CA 2500$ a month.
Funny I spent the better part of 7 years in Canadian aviation.......I would gladly fly a Beech 1900D over a CAL 744. Just for the record I made about 60,000 a year in Canada flying a turbo-prop and that is not far off what most of you clowns signed on for at CAL. Remember I know exactly what you make on the 744 and yes you only pay 20% tax but the bottom line is youre selling yourself to fly a 744 which is the largest reason that Airline pilots wages are in the dumper! Do not try to justify the selling of your own worth because of what goes on in Canada. Canadian pilots are generally some of the most sought after contract pilots in the world. We are among the most professional, culturally diverse, and highly adaptable drivers around ..Dont you forget that!
"I'd much rather fly a brand new 400 around the world thanks. Even if the captain occasionally turn out to be a prick"
Again you sell yourself for about 40% of what your seat commands at a real airline.
"As an expat FO there I and many others see this for what it is and so should you. It is not a career company, but a stepping stone"
The only statement you wrote that I have to agree with.......get your time and get out before someone gets hurt!
"Taiwan might in some ways still be semi 3rd world. But if you have an open mind and are easy going you will have a good time here. The locals like to party and the girls are friendly.."
Taiwan is no where near third world! Next home leave you should get on a plane and travel to a third world country before you make such a loose statement. Taipei is a typical industrial Asian city. I liked Taipei and I generally enjoyed working with the people at CAL. However, unlike a lot of the expats working there, when the first time CAL lied to me about my Cruise Command it became apparent that I had gambled and lost. I decided to quit and move on! So I did!!!
I was Chev29 roommate in Taipei and we generally enjoyed our time there..........however like he stated. If you have a job and you are making a decent wage then steer the course as flying a 737 for a reputable company ANYWHERE is better that flying a 744 for CAL. If you are flying a large turbo prop and you enjoy your job I would stay as well! The 744 is a great airplane but it is just that.........an airplane! What is much more important in your life and your happiness!
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Hey Pitotman
Firstly I am not a Canadian and my little mention of them bitchin was partly tongue in cheek. I trained in a class full of Jetsgo victims and they had very little good to say about current Canadian situation.
Secondly am married so unfortunately not able to take advantage of all the friendly girls..
BUT THE POINT I MADE IS: There are alot of foreign co pilots here that get the chance to fly a jumbo and build up some very valuable experience they would otherwise have had to wait for for many years. These guys join CAL with 3000 or so total time, only a few hundred on jets, at the age of 26 to 32 or so and they will never look back. For them - and that includes me - you are wrong in your argument about quality of life, selling yourself for an aircraft type and working for too little money.
Unlike you who got hired (with a lot of experience) as a cruise captain. You guys did get the short end of the stick and you have my sympathy. Us younger lesser experienced guys are here for different reasons. We realize CAL will not be our career - but a big help along the way. Never again can anybody in an interview go on about my lack of twin or multi engine,jet,wide body,glass,international,auto speedbrake,sleep in the bunk, long haul or what have you time.
Hope you moved on to something better - we all will.
( oh and by the way I did contract in AFRICA and Afghanistan so know all about the third world - did'nt see too many Canadians there.)
Firstly I am not a Canadian and my little mention of them bitchin was partly tongue in cheek. I trained in a class full of Jetsgo victims and they had very little good to say about current Canadian situation.
Secondly am married so unfortunately not able to take advantage of all the friendly girls..
BUT THE POINT I MADE IS: There are alot of foreign co pilots here that get the chance to fly a jumbo and build up some very valuable experience they would otherwise have had to wait for for many years. These guys join CAL with 3000 or so total time, only a few hundred on jets, at the age of 26 to 32 or so and they will never look back. For them - and that includes me - you are wrong in your argument about quality of life, selling yourself for an aircraft type and working for too little money.
Unlike you who got hired (with a lot of experience) as a cruise captain. You guys did get the short end of the stick and you have my sympathy. Us younger lesser experienced guys are here for different reasons. We realize CAL will not be our career - but a big help along the way. Never again can anybody in an interview go on about my lack of twin or multi engine,jet,wide body,glass,international,auto speedbrake,sleep in the bunk, long haul or what have you time.
Hope you moved on to something better - we all will.
( oh and by the way I did contract in AFRICA and Afghanistan so know all about the third world - did'nt see too many Canadians there.)
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Pitot,
Emirates/Cathay/Etihad/JALways/SIACargo/NCA/GulfAir/Qatar/SriLankan/Eva/Jade/etc,etc...
...will all take a second look at you with heavy glass time v. polar prop time...(I am not recommending all of them however)
Chill out man - CI is what you make of your TEMPORARY stay.
To the guys out there that get it, don't listen to a person who tells you to hold the line on behalf of the profession - do everything to reach your objective because no one will join you in sticking your finger in the hole in the dyke.
fliion
Emirates/Cathay/Etihad/JALways/SIACargo/NCA/GulfAir/Qatar/SriLankan/Eva/Jade/etc,etc...
...will all take a second look at you with heavy glass time v. polar prop time...(I am not recommending all of them however)
Chill out man - CI is what you make of your TEMPORARY stay.
To the guys out there that get it, don't listen to a person who tells you to hold the line on behalf of the profession - do everything to reach your objective because no one will join you in sticking your finger in the hole in the dyke.
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well,
still no invitation after my phone-interview...but waiting...they said that thereīs a seniority-list considering the invitations, priority will be given to all those who have heavy jet-hours, then jet-hours and then,at the very end, prop-hours...guess that says it all...
...prop-riders, be patient!
our time will come...
still no invitation after my phone-interview...but waiting...they said that thereīs a seniority-list considering the invitations, priority will be given to all those who have heavy jet-hours, then jet-hours and then,at the very end, prop-hours...guess that says it all...
...prop-riders, be patient!our time will come...
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@Wingman
I would really appreciate, if You gave me some information about the interview and the sim screening after finishing it. I heard that they screen You on B737 or B747 depending on sim availability. I have appllied for FO Position there about 4 weeks ago and I have simlar experience status ( 4500 hrs turboprop! ) ! Thanx for any help!
I would really appreciate, if You gave me some information about the interview and the sim screening after finishing it. I heard that they screen You on B737 or B747 depending on sim availability. I have appllied for FO Position there about 4 weeks ago and I have simlar experience status ( 4500 hrs turboprop! ) ! Thanx for any help!
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Hey wingmaaaan!
I hope You will get an invitation with China Airlines. At the moment I still didnīt even get a phone interview. Do You have turboprop hours on 20+kg aircrafts? It seems to me they prefer a jet pilot with a hundred hours than a turboprop pilot with 2000. I donīt have a clue why this is.
Good Luck to You !!!
I hope You will get an invitation with China Airlines. At the moment I still didnīt even get a phone interview. Do You have turboprop hours on 20+kg aircrafts? It seems to me they prefer a jet pilot with a hundred hours than a turboprop pilot with 2000. I donīt have a clue why this is.
Good Luck to You !!!
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Hi, bluepacific!
Please tell me what kind of problems I have. I really wanna know. Itīs that clear to me that airlines prefer pilots with hours ON TYPE.
But if You have pilots with no company-wanted type-rating, it is not comprehensible why just a fractional amount of jet hours outrival turboprop hours.
I think turboprop pilots are well underestimated , arenīt they!?
Please tell me what kind of problems I have. I really wanna know. Itīs that clear to me that airlines prefer pilots with hours ON TYPE.
But if You have pilots with no company-wanted type-rating, it is not comprehensible why just a fractional amount of jet hours outrival turboprop hours.
I think turboprop pilots are well underestimated , arenīt they!?
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Mate, if you can't work out the fact that jet time is better than turbo prop time then there is something wrong. Anyway, if you didn't think that you wouldn't be chasing a jet job.
Of course it would depend on an individual basis, and alot of variables.
BP
Of course it would depend on an individual basis, and alot of variables.
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Hi, bluepacific!
Now, You are at one with me in that. You are fully right jet time is more precious than turboprop time. I never said something else.
"Of course it would depend on an individual basis, and alot of variables."
I guess thatīs my point. Surely it depends on the single case and many different factors. In my posting I just wanted to point out that the measures of evaluation between jet time and turboprop time are not quite fair. There are some discrepancies between estimating the individual jet and turboprop experience levels. I hope to have made my attitude clearer to You. What do You think about it?
Now, You are at one with me in that. You are fully right jet time is more precious than turboprop time. I never said something else.
"Of course it would depend on an individual basis, and alot of variables."
I guess thatīs my point. Surely it depends on the single case and many different factors. In my posting I just wanted to point out that the measures of evaluation between jet time and turboprop time are not quite fair. There are some discrepancies between estimating the individual jet and turboprop experience levels. I hope to have made my attitude clearer to You. What do You think about it?
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Mac, who ever promised you airline recruitment would be "fair"? It's their trainset, they can play with it however they like. Sadly, at most airlines, that means many guys/girls who could do a great job will never even get an interview. I'm in the same boat! C'est la vie. best learn to deal with it and move on
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Hey,
At least we agree, I fly with some F/O's with heaps of hours, more than ample quality turboprop time (6000 pic ATR ) but some struggle and some fit in quite well, this is where it is should be based on an individual basis, but as turbolarger correctly put it, its their train set.
Cheers.
BP
At least we agree, I fly with some F/O's with heaps of hours, more than ample quality turboprop time (6000 pic ATR ) but some struggle and some fit in quite well, this is where it is should be based on an individual basis, but as turbolarger correctly put it, its their train set.
Cheers.
BP
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Hey, turbolager! Hey, bluepacific!
There is nothing to add to Your lines. Both of You are absolutely right.
"Sadly, at most airlines, that means many guys/girls who could do a great job will never even get an interview."
Well, unfortunately the job market enables airlines to request any applicant requirements, they wanna have. Itīs just a fact.
"I fly with some F/O's with heaps of hours, more than ample quality turboprop time (6000 pic ATR ) but some struggle and some fit in quite well, "
As we already said, it strongly depends on the individual basis. Some fit in, some donīt. Among many other factors age is one of the more affecting factors, I guess!
There is nothing to add to Your lines. Both of You are absolutely right.
"Sadly, at most airlines, that means many guys/girls who could do a great job will never even get an interview."
Well, unfortunately the job market enables airlines to request any applicant requirements, they wanna have. Itīs just a fact.
"I fly with some F/O's with heaps of hours, more than ample quality turboprop time (6000 pic ATR ) but some struggle and some fit in quite well, "
As we already said, it strongly depends on the individual basis. Some fit in, some donīt. Among many other factors age is one of the more affecting factors, I guess!