PAL Pilot Exodus

[ubing]

eatbulaga

but PAL has been the one feeding our families for years, decades to some!

As a professional you have to understand that it is you who has been feeding your family. Give yourself some self worth.

[srs78]

What it's all about

Money matters.
A lot of money matters a lot.
So even if you have tons of it
but still peers within and out of the country hardly raise an eyebrow
because they know how and from whom you amassed the mother load (FM),
and respect is hardly there,
it must be truly frustrating.
allied ----, fortune -------, asia -------, etc.
NAHHH...
BUT flagship companies,
simply because of the goodwill and RESPECTABILITY their name bring,
YES!!!!
Hence, Philippine Airlines!
Hence, Philippine National Bank!
For good measure,
Buy a school....
Get conferred a doctorate degree,
Honoris Causa!
I am now, respected DR.----- ---,
Owner- national air carrier
Owner-nation bank
Yes!
life IS good......
for ME that is.......

[eatbulaga]

@ubing:
i think you know what I mean, or do I still need to elaborate??? how many in this forum would dare say their employer doesn't provide for them anyway???
yes you provide for your family, BUT where do you get your money?

[parsifal]

self worth

i get my money from my sweat and toil. my airline company earns its profit from my sweat and toil. there is nothing to elaborate.

[arigato]

Slaves

For those who have been "SLAVES" for so many years now. Win back your "FREEDOM", ang get a "QUALITY LIFE", "DIGNITY", and "SELF-RESPECT". Divine Providence is greater in "DOING" than "WAITING". HAVE FAITH!!!

[ninetyeighter]

In 1998, I was there, right smack in the middle of it. I was caught by surprise and had to sell most of the things that I had just to get by. I even offered some of them (friends who were about to join the other side) a little of what I had left just to persuade them not to join the "dark side". Lived through it, was even willing to die for it.

Everybody knew that this was a fight not only for the pilots but for the future of the country's workforce. If we lose this battle, this will be the end not only for us, but all of the country's workforce. Di ba kuya we told you that if we lose, the union would be dissolved and nothing would stop management from doing what it wants? Di ba kuya we asked you not to go back? Di ba kuya we begged you not to betray the union? Di ba we asked you to choose between what is morally right and what is wrong? Di ba? Di ba? Di ba after twelve (12) years, these were the things that we warned you about?

A few years back I saw you people in ATO. Instead of giving you the cold stare, I was even cordial. I asked how you guys were with all sincerity and not an ounce of animosity (though some hardcore ALPAP brothers would disagree).

Now, twelve (12) years ago....we warned you....and you would'nt listen....now, you have the guts and the audacity to tell the public that management is after the pilots? choi! don't you feel that you're a little late for that? 12 years to be exact?

Remember, there are still ALPAP members who are out of work. Those positions (outside) will again be taken by those traitors who in '98 made their decision to stick it out with the "evil empire" and now, have decided to leave their beloved "airline". Folks, this is history repeating itself once again.

I kept my mouth shut for so long but I feel that this time, I need to just let it out.

ALPAP - Hardcore

[ubing]

elaborate?

i think you know what I mean, or do I still need to elaborate??? how many in this forum would dare say their employer doesn't provide for them anyway???
yes you provide for your family, BUT where do you get your money?

nothing is needing explanation or elaboration. what parsifal has said is more than sufficient.

[JayVai]

@ eatbulaga

You work for PAL? Any chance you can help me get in? PAL is my dream company... I hope you can help. Thank you!

[trailblazerpromdi]

Hello Ninetyeighter

IT TOOK YOU 12 YEARS TO CONCEAL YOUR ANGER.
very good in anger management.

we were together in 1998.
we tried to make both ends meet, sacrificed a lot, never knew what the future hold.
we were lucky our family supported us.

looking to our HARDCORE brothers who are jobless up to now. we were lucky( i presume) that we we landed a job for our family's welfare.

in fairness to these pilots who resigned, some of them were not yet ALPAP members in 1998.

it's typical PAL style, cover up their failures by creating mess, lugi daw, then attribute it to pilot's greed when the going gets rough and tough.

SAME OLD STORY.

if you note the column of Mr. Macasaet in Malaya,( a paper which supossedly known for truthfullness),

i am puzzled he calls the resignation as strike when in fact there is no PAL PILOT Union to speak of, which the PAL Mr. Jimmy Bautista acknowledged.
read also Mr. Macasaet interpretation of FASAP issue.

is Mr. Macasaet lawyering for PAL?

it only shows how supposedly a veteran media person/journalist ,DILUTE the facts,for whatever purpose he wants to achieve.
is Mr. Macasaet under the spell of LT?

these pilot's who resigned are fortunate that we have "BULATLAT" paper who are very unbiased in their reporting.

FACTS WILL ALWAYS BE FACTS.

hopefully, renowned columnists in"PHILIPPINE DAILY TRIBUNE" and " PHILIPPINE DAILY INQUIRER" will follow suit.

to give all well meaning journalist a clue,

a respected individual now in the government regulatory body, who was former PAL management pilot, will tell you that as per judicial orders or amicable settlement or whatever it is.
"REDUNDANT" meant to this respected individual MILLIONS of pesos in damages.

Respected JOURNALISTS , kindly chech your archives.

We knew then in 1998 , that if we fail, OUR ALPAP will be busted , which PAL were successful,then PAL will be willing and able to IMPOSE their will on ALL PAL employees.

12 years is so short a time that all of our INSECURITIES then are REALIZED.

GOOD LUCK to ALL of YOU WHO WILL HAVE THE COURAGE to do what is MORALLY RIGHT.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE LIFE AFTER PAL.

[tsuper]

get a life

Get a life. Most of these mid level A320 pilots were not even with PAL in 1998. Most of those who were there in 1998 are now flying wide body aircraft

[ninetyeighter]

PAL bus drivers

This may come as a surprise to you, but I do have one and i'm proud to say that it's a "life outside PAL" and "I feel gooooood" (with James Brown's strut).

You mentioned that this mid-level A320 pilots were not even part of the strike in '98, i agree to some extent but the point is this....if it were not for those pilots on the wide bodied aircraft (which you gallantly involved in this discussion), these A320 pilots would have a better chance of getting what they want which is also exactly what we fought for in '98...which was....job security. would it be improper if I again tell you that this is "history repeating itself"?

@PAL bus drivers - there is life outside of PAL. Remember, we as pilots belong to a very select few, a brotherhood moulded in honor and tradition. Don't ever hesitate to ask my brothers, you know where to find us.

@tsuper - thanks for the reply

[trailblazerpromdi]

REJOINDER to NINETYEIGHTER

"HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF"

finally an investigative journalist who is publishing factual and detailed chronological events in PAL

Please visit link

raissarobles.com

very interesting

[ninetyeighter]

thanks trailblazepromdi

very interesting. thanks for the link trailblazerpromdi. there was a time when we sat side by side with "buzz lightyear" up there in his most precious of collections. somewhere, somehow he found us "redundant" and instead, made us sit beside "mr. potatohead"....

[nona]

hello

ninetyeighter, you pathetic looser, even if u r now working with whatever ailine, i see u still carry 98 strike burden in ur heart. i was part of it too, just like you, but i let it go long time ago.

the new breed of pilots has just shown us how to fight citi hall, not the way we did. this kids, before they faught, they have weapons and used their minds. look who is winning. im sure they will not carry in their hearts what you have been storing for 12 years. who is the loser now and who is the winner. now, enough of you pathetic loser....

as i noticed today, no more headlines or news re pal, temporary reprieve will be followed by whatever the smart guys in makati decides to do, theres one thing for sure they know, just like what the new breeds did, the pilots have the choice to leave just like that. take care of the contract later. it can be paid. LT's motto! tax evasion!

i salute the twentyfivers! thumbs down to ninetyeighters!

[ninetyeighter]

thumbs up for the twentyfivers

@nona - noted. well done sir. thanks for the comment.

[Laker]

Nona,

Did you cross a picket line? Why would you call someone who sacrificed his job for the good of his fellow pilots a "pathetic loser?"

[tea_gas]

I once hated the management back during the strike and several years after. With old age comes wisdom, you learn there is more to life than linger in angst.

To the NEW BREED, BRAVE 25 aviators who moved on, you had good reason and guts of facing whatever lies ahead I stand on your side boys, I was once on your boat and this time around since then - we gave them a real GOOD kick in the BUTT. Goodluck on your journey, life is good!

TG

[arigato]

Rule on Survival

"STAY ALIVE AND KICKING". You need to win back your life and start a new one.

It doesn't matter whether you are a "HARDCORE", a "SCAB" or "NEITHER". There is always a life after a "STORM" regardless of who you are.

[srs78]

Above PAL's Media Manipulations

Corporate slavery
By Solita Collas-Monsod
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:42:00 08/06/2010

FROM THE initial stories that came out in the press, one got the impression that the pilots who had left PAL were the bad guys. The stories, sourced from PAL management, went that the pilots were earning oodles of money (by local standards anyway—P500,000 a month was the figure being given for a senior pilot). Their training (“costing millions”), which had made them so highly skilled and highly priced in the first place, had been paid for by the company. And yet they left for greener pastures, and with nary a by-your-leave or backward look to boot, leaving behind unpaid debts to the company, forcing the airline to cancel scheduled flights, causing the passengers great inconvenience, reducing tourism, thus jeopardizing the economy. Such greedy, ungrateful, thoughtless, unpatriotic wretches was the structural message of these tales.

The PAL management, on the other hand, were the good guys in this version of the story. Although the pilots had broken the law and their contracts, which required them to give a six-month notice before leaving, the company was willing to forgive and forget all and would not press any charges or impose any sanctions as long as the pilots would come back. Structural message: management was not only reasonable, but ready to bend backward for the national good.

Unfortunately for the PAL spinners, the story was too big to be controlled by the usual methods of “envelopmental” journalism and the threat of advertising withdrawal. So the “bad guys” were able to get their own version across.

In this version, the pilots left because they saw how PAL had treated some of their colleagues, and weren’t about to wait for the same treatment to be meted out to them. Specifically, they saw their colleagues, both senior and junior, arbitrarily declared “redundant” and therefore retrenched/terminated, at about the same time that a couple of PAL airplanes were turned over to Air Philippines (a sister company). The retrenched pilots were then offered jobs at Air Phil, but at markedly lower (reportedly half of their former pay) salaries, because they had lost their seniority and were considered new hires. When even more PAL planes were rumored to be readied for transfer to its sister company, the pilots scrambled for jobs being offered abroad.

At first, PAL management pooh-poohed this version, and said (I heard it myself in a TV interview) that the pilots in question were not terminated but merely assigned to Air Phil on a “temporary” basis. But in the face of the first-person accounts that were being presented to the public and in Malacañang, and the fact that more and more pilots are planning to join their colleagues abroad, PAL presumably had to change its tune. So that yesterday’s headline was “PAL vows to stop moving pilots to Air Philippines.”

The above example of mendacity does not seem to be unique. The P500,000 a month salary figure quoted above—which fed the impression that pilots are greedy sons-of-bitches—is equally spurned by the pilots themselves. I talked to three pilots of varying seniority, who shared with me what they earn at PAL, and the figures, all in, averaged P350,000. Furthermore, their training, “costing millions,” turned out to be P1.9 million, but since this is a figure given in a PAL contract, the pilots feel that even this is an exaggeration, for which they are required to give five years of service.

Then there is the matter of the pilots leaving without the requisite notice, as claimed by PAL. If they did, it may be because of any or all of these reasons (again, from first-person accounts under similar circumstances): one is that PAL refused to accept their letter of resignation on the grounds that only a 30-day notice was given (per the Labor Code) and not the 180 days specified in their contract. (Anyone who reads that contract will see how onerous the terms are.) The pilots point out that the 180-day notice requirement is not a law (contrary to what was originally stated in the media, presumably courtesy of PAL). I checked this out with Labor Secretary Rosalinda Baldoz, asking her to cite the law. There is none. What is there is a memorandum circular from the POEA Board citing critical mission skills as reason for the 180-day notice—and she elaborated that this is binding only for pilots who are recruited in the Philippines—which is presumably why these pilots signed their contracts abroad.

A second reason is that PAL allegedly makes the lives of the pilots who give requisite notice a living hell: they are given the worst assignments, and their pay is withheld, supposedly while the company is making a determination of how much the pilot may be owing the company—which leaves the pilot, who has a family to support, in dire financial straits.

Apparently, if the pilots’ stories are to be believed (and I will take their word over management’s any time), PAL does not hesitate to use this time to undermine the pilot’s status with his prospective employer (what one may call a negative letter of reference), which has sometimes resulted in the withdrawal of the offer of employment; and/or to level some complaint against the pilot to “cooperative” immigration authorities or to the POEA or the NBI that will effectively stop his departure.

Let’s get real here. If the labor problems of PAL are limited to its pilots, maybe, just maybe it could be the pilots’ fault. But PAL has problems with its flight crews and ground crews as well. Corporate family? Corporate slavery, more like it.

[srs78]

Media Manipulator

The newest media manipulator of pal is a former newscaster CIELO VILLALUNA of the pal learning center.
Watch and hear her do her master's bidding with relish.