Leaving CAL
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
The reality is pilots are expendible and in abundant supply
otherwise why would they continue this practice if it was a loss maker??
Then you should understand the thinking.
They'd rather have it done THEIR way, and lose a million , than to admit they were wrong, and save the coin.
Profit margins can be (and are) adjusted any way the company accountants are told to.
One of their chief-pilot was telling me : KAL is getting rid of all expat
CAL should do the same
Taxi drivers?!
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KAL? I ve found these on the Rishworth:
B747-400 Captains - Korean Airlines
Reference: 736
Duration: 5 year term, renewable
Start: As soon as possible!
Type: B747-400 Captains
Experience: 500+ PIC hours on type 3000+ hours total PIC time Under the age of 57 at date of joining Flown on type within last 2 years
Qualifications: As above
Benefits: Great terms and conditions: commuting contract, bonus payments, insurance, per diems, overtime & salary
Comments: Please register online and contact Nalisha Elia at [email protected]
I do really wish that only once a chief from CAL would say the same to my face.As soon as they give me a No Objection Letter,the next day CAL can replace me with a local.
No incident on the Airbus fleet?
Departure from Kilo in ANC........
Not to mention the weekly scheduled hard landings(1.6,1.8 Gs) on the 744.
I am really interested how the annual revision of the Market Allowance will end......that will say a lot!
As far as there are only CAL 20 cadets in Australia,we will see.
Yes,the similarity with KAL is quite good,they are the only airlines in the world who can compete for the worst airmanship award.
B747-400 Captains - Korean Airlines
Reference: 736
Duration: 5 year term, renewable
Start: As soon as possible!
Type: B747-400 Captains
Experience: 500+ PIC hours on type 3000+ hours total PIC time Under the age of 57 at date of joining Flown on type within last 2 years
Qualifications: As above
Benefits: Great terms and conditions: commuting contract, bonus payments, insurance, per diems, overtime & salary
Comments: Please register online and contact Nalisha Elia at [email protected]
I do really wish that only once a chief from CAL would say the same to my face.As soon as they give me a No Objection Letter,the next day CAL can replace me with a local.
No incident on the Airbus fleet?
Departure from Kilo in ANC........
Not to mention the weekly scheduled hard landings(1.6,1.8 Gs) on the 744.
I am really interested how the annual revision of the Market Allowance will end......that will say a lot!
As far as there are only CAL 20 cadets in Australia,we will see.
Yes,the similarity with KAL is quite good,they are the only airlines in the world who can compete for the worst airmanship award.
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I was reading this thread and just had to reply. I worked for CAL on 340 fleet. I had some interesting moments babysitting some very junior Captains and some senior ones as well. Of course there were some good local pilots there as well. The real problem is..as always, the ingrained cultural attitudes there. I had more than once tried to explain with some subtlety that culture doesn't play a roll in the cockpit.
I got fed up with many aspects of the job, including my safety and just uped and left and I would do it again. I was never asked to pay any bond money back, probably because they realised they were the shafters not the shaftees.
If it was a company with even the mildest of moral obligations to the expats, I would have perhaps told them I was leaving but how do you approach a smiling assassin..I wasnt about to lose a sh*t load of money to prove i'm a good guy. All it would have proved is i'm another sucker done over by an airline. I, like many others were led to believe we had a career with CAL but having been one of the early batch of round eyes to go there, we came ,we saw, we left... and the endorsement is not worth a pinch of crud as is the Taiwan license.
Sure, if your a newby wanting an endorsement and get up some experience, just go and do it if you get the opportunity but one word of warning... I wouldn't sign over a bank guarantee no way no how... AIN't worth it... Good luck.
I got fed up with many aspects of the job, including my safety and just uped and left and I would do it again. I was never asked to pay any bond money back, probably because they realised they were the shafters not the shaftees.
If it was a company with even the mildest of moral obligations to the expats, I would have perhaps told them I was leaving but how do you approach a smiling assassin..I wasnt about to lose a sh*t load of money to prove i'm a good guy. All it would have proved is i'm another sucker done over by an airline. I, like many others were led to believe we had a career with CAL but having been one of the early batch of round eyes to go there, we came ,we saw, we left... and the endorsement is not worth a pinch of crud as is the Taiwan license.
Sure, if your a newby wanting an endorsement and get up some experience, just go and do it if you get the opportunity but one word of warning... I wouldn't sign over a bank guarantee no way no how... AIN't worth it... Good luck.
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Pitotman, explain to me how you had 9K stolen from you ?? Didnt you sign on the dotted line?? Dont blame others for your actions ok? Begin to take responsibility for yourself.
Sky330, the fact that you probably threw thousands at a University course does not make you the professional you claim to be necessarily. Im not saying you are not a professional, but it takes a lot more than that. It means putting in the hard yards, late nights, devotion etc
Kaptin M...oh my goodness...are you really suggesting that professional accountants and CFAs are involved in creative accouting at such high levels? Havent you heard of code of ethics within professional bodies, International Accounting Standards, external audits. Are you really so nieve to suggest this?
Sky330, the fact that you probably threw thousands at a University course does not make you the professional you claim to be necessarily. Im not saying you are not a professional, but it takes a lot more than that. It means putting in the hard yards, late nights, devotion etc
Kaptin M...oh my goodness...are you really suggesting that professional accountants and CFAs are involved in creative accouting at such high levels? Havent you heard of code of ethics within professional bodies, International Accounting Standards, external audits. Are you really so nieve to suggest this?
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Lax...You are correct. We pilots are just a small piece of the pie and we like to think we are an important part of the operation but times have changed. Pilots are the poor sods who cant keep up with the times and changes. I'm not talking about operational changes, but award conditions, including days off,leave,wages..etc..I still have my professional pride but we can and are being replaced more often now. Aircraft ARE easier to fly and more reliable than ever before. Gone are the days of the one job career. CAL are not devastated that you leave after 12 - 18 months. I think it suits their needs better that you leave rather than you hanging around pestering them about an upgrade. It really has become a case of look after ones self as best you can. I have been one to despise this concept and have beeen shafted more than once. I will try to look after me first from now on and in the process, if I can look after others its a bonus. THE GOOD OL' DAYS ARE OVER... and i'm sad about it too.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
we can and are being replaced more often now.
Only other pilots can replace pilots, and to do this requires a least 2-3 months of training, even if one is already typed, with much of that time spent on the ground.
Having a turnover, also allows the new recruits to negotiate themselves a BETTER contract than their predecessors.
There are PLENTY of jobs available now, and not near enough experienced/qualified pilots to provide the numbers needed to suitably fill them.
I have friends who are currently looking at the different conditions being offered to lure new pilots - the conditions are being changed, upward, quite regularly now, as airlines realise they don't have access to the numbers of pilots they had been led to believe there were available.
The very fact that pilots are VOLUNTARILY walking away from jobs, is an indication of their confidence in quickly finding a new employer.
Aircraft ARE easier to fly and more reliable than ever before.[/
New avionics have been incorporated that required detailed knowledge for programming and operating.
We pilots are just a small piece of the pie
Would the same still happen if pilots all took week-ends, public hols, and random other times off?
The "small piece of the pie" fender refers to is the outer crust - without it the rest of the pie will simply ooze all over the place.
(Now back to your HR desk fender and do what your employer pays you to do, instead of fooling around on the Internet! It's lucky that you guys aren't paid for the ACTUAL time you are working productively.)
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Ahhh Kap. Apart from that last crapy sentence you had to put in, I agree with you. We work real hard, we work long and we are our own worst enemy... Aircraft are easy to fly.... I was leaning more on the reliability side of aircraft of today and EFIS makes for a hell of alot more situational awareness than what we call steam driven stuff..This lends itself to companies taking a RISK and employing ,"more junior,less experienced pilots for less money." For gods sakes, I saw it in VB and Jetstar..
There are heaps of jobs around and thats why I just up and left CAL. I can go to India tomorrow and get 4 jobs with good pay..Really good pay.. I am lucky that I can do that.. But how can I put sh*t on some young dude/es starting their career who just gets offered a job flying an airline for less money. Its bloody human nature. I dont like it one bit but I repeat,...you get shafted enough times you have no choice but to join the wolf pack or walk away and "sit behind a desk..blab blab."
All said and done though, If you got a 100% loyal non corrupt union I'll be the first to join..
There are heaps of jobs around and thats why I just up and left CAL. I can go to India tomorrow and get 4 jobs with good pay..Really good pay.. I am lucky that I can do that.. But how can I put sh*t on some young dude/es starting their career who just gets offered a job flying an airline for less money. Its bloody human nature. I dont like it one bit but I repeat,...you get shafted enough times you have no choice but to join the wolf pack or walk away and "sit behind a desk..blab blab."
All said and done though, If you got a 100% loyal non corrupt union I'll be the first to join..
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laxcax23,
You should replace LAX with “SUX" and replace the 23 with "4aliving" Then your name would better reflect your personality or lack of it for a more accurate screen name
You could be: SUXCAX4ALIVING
You say" Pitotman, explain to me how you had 9K stolen from you?? Didn’t you sign on the dotted line??
Since you have no idea about my contract I will keep it short like your Johnson......... I fulfilled my contract! Period full stop!
CAL screwed me out of 30 % my last months pay and my severance pays and by doing so BROKE ROC law and my contract........!
You say "Don’t blame others for your actions ok? Begin to take responsibility for yourself"
My action was leaving before I died! I took full responsibility and now I am alive and much happier for leaving. Just like the 45 other expats this year and 1 local guy who finally had the BALLS to do it!
You say” Sky330, the fact that you probably threw thousands at a University course does not make you the professional you claim to be necessarily. I’m not saying you are not a professional, but it takes a lot more than that.”
See now you are totally out of whack! See most professional pilots go to university to study aviation, get a degree and spend the rest of our lives striving to be the best in our profession.
In Taiwan they pull anyone out of the office they see fit at CAL including the guy who cleans up the cigarette butts in flight operations and then they PAY his schooling for some second rate aussie flight school or German to spoon feed the cigarette butt guy/girl and hope to turn them into a professional pilot..........when all they are is an missile waiting to happen!
You say “It means putting in the hard yards, late nights, devotion etc”
Let me know what your girlfriend’s phone number is and I will be sure to put a few HARD YARDS, LATE NIGHTS, and devotion into her……..next time I am in Taipei!
You say “Kaptin M...oh my goodness...are you really suggesting that professional accountants and CFAs are involved in creative accounting at such high levels? Haven’t you heard of code of ethics within professional bodies, International Accounting Standards, external audits? Are you really so naive to suggest this?"
Are you really so fricken naive that you believe that this does not go on every day in the business community around the world........ever here of ENRON JACKASS...............knuff said!
Ever meet a MARRIED TAIWNESE broad at the bar.........”ethics”.........knuff said
Dude stick to whatever office job you do at CAL and stay the hell off a pilot’s forum. CAL is by far the worst operation I have ever had the displeasure of working for….that is why I left. I understand your desire to try and protect your job at CAL and in some weird way I admire it! But you are not a pilot nor will you ever be one……..even if you get selected to go to Australia and train to be a future missile driver. So stop wasting company resources and find out which airline has gone bankrupt this week! Get on to their HR department and promise them a career at CAL on the 747-400 and don’t forget to tell them that they will all be Captains in 3 years!
Man I make myself laugh.....
You should replace LAX with “SUX" and replace the 23 with "4aliving" Then your name would better reflect your personality or lack of it for a more accurate screen name
You could be: SUXCAX4ALIVING
You say" Pitotman, explain to me how you had 9K stolen from you?? Didn’t you sign on the dotted line??
Since you have no idea about my contract I will keep it short like your Johnson......... I fulfilled my contract! Period full stop!
CAL screwed me out of 30 % my last months pay and my severance pays and by doing so BROKE ROC law and my contract........!
You say "Don’t blame others for your actions ok? Begin to take responsibility for yourself"
My action was leaving before I died! I took full responsibility and now I am alive and much happier for leaving. Just like the 45 other expats this year and 1 local guy who finally had the BALLS to do it!
You say” Sky330, the fact that you probably threw thousands at a University course does not make you the professional you claim to be necessarily. I’m not saying you are not a professional, but it takes a lot more than that.”
See now you are totally out of whack! See most professional pilots go to university to study aviation, get a degree and spend the rest of our lives striving to be the best in our profession.
In Taiwan they pull anyone out of the office they see fit at CAL including the guy who cleans up the cigarette butts in flight operations and then they PAY his schooling for some second rate aussie flight school or German to spoon feed the cigarette butt guy/girl and hope to turn them into a professional pilot..........when all they are is an missile waiting to happen!
You say “It means putting in the hard yards, late nights, devotion etc”
Let me know what your girlfriend’s phone number is and I will be sure to put a few HARD YARDS, LATE NIGHTS, and devotion into her……..next time I am in Taipei!
You say “Kaptin M...oh my goodness...are you really suggesting that professional accountants and CFAs are involved in creative accounting at such high levels? Haven’t you heard of code of ethics within professional bodies, International Accounting Standards, external audits? Are you really so naive to suggest this?"
Are you really so fricken naive that you believe that this does not go on every day in the business community around the world........ever here of ENRON JACKASS...............knuff said!
Ever meet a MARRIED TAIWNESE broad at the bar.........”ethics”.........knuff said
Dude stick to whatever office job you do at CAL and stay the hell off a pilot’s forum. CAL is by far the worst operation I have ever had the displeasure of working for….that is why I left. I understand your desire to try and protect your job at CAL and in some weird way I admire it! But you are not a pilot nor will you ever be one……..even if you get selected to go to Australia and train to be a future missile driver. So stop wasting company resources and find out which airline has gone bankrupt this week! Get on to their HR department and promise them a career at CAL on the 747-400 and don’t forget to tell them that they will all be Captains in 3 years!
Man I make myself laugh.....
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Quote from KAPM !...."I never see any of the office staff at their desks on week-ends, public holidays, and often even during a normal working day"
Well I ask you KAPM, how many office staff do you know who get 8 days off per month and paid to fly business or first class each time by their company sa they fly half way around the world back home. Indeed it seems anyone who disagrees with KAPM is just an armchair pilot. A convenient way to dismiss facts when they are presented.
Well I ask you KAPM, how many office staff do you know who get 8 days off per month and paid to fly business or first class each time by their company sa they fly half way around the world back home. Indeed it seems anyone who disagrees with KAPM is just an armchair pilot. A convenient way to dismiss facts when they are presented.
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how many office staff do you know who get 8 days off per month
And they're pretty sure to sleep in their bed each damned night of the year and have dinner with their families.
I deeply respect everyone's job, really. But no one with a job on the ground, where you can have a break and slam a coffee, should never ever compare the psychological effects of his job with ours. They stand on two different grounds, simply.
Take care
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The more you write on here the more ignorant you become. You are as transparent as anyone I have ever met! I feel sorry for you.......I truly do. Maybe its just better for China to take back Taiwan now......that way your silly posts can be monitored by BIGBROTHER and I would not have to waist my time rebutting everything you lie about on here!!!
Quote from SUXCAX4ALIVING ( "Well I ask you KAPM, how many office staff do you know who get 8 days off per month and paid to fly business or first class each time by their company as they fly half way around the world back home. Indeed it seems anyone who disagrees with KAPM is just an armchair pilot. A convenient way to dismiss facts when they are presented.
FACT: CAL had one of the WORST SAFETY RECORDS IN THE
WORLD....NOT TO MENTION MANDARIN!
FACT: WITHOUT EXPAT PILOTS THIS COMPANY WOULD NOT BE
ALLOWED TO FLY OVER CANDIAN OR CONTINENTAL US
AIRSPACE NEVER MIND LAND IN OUR AIRPORTS.
FACT: WITHOUT ECM (EXTRA CREW MEMBER IN FULL UNIFORM IN
BUISNESS CLASS FOR THOSE THAT DUE NOT KNOW)
EXPATS WOULD NOT WORK HERE AND THAT WOULD PUT
YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF A DESK JOB.....SO YOU SHOULD
THANK EVERY EXPAT PILOT EVERYDAY YOU SEE THEM
FACT: YOU ARE NOT A PILOT
FACT: YOU NEED TO GET BACK TO YOUR DESK AND DO WHAT
YOUR SORRY ASS GOVERNMENT RUN AIRLINE PAYS YOU TO
DO AND LET THE BIG BOYS FLY AIRPLANES AND DISCUSS IT
WHILE YOU DREAM OF FLYING
FACT: CAL BUISNESS CLASS SUCKS AND I AM GLAD TO SAY I
WILL NEVER FLY IT AGAIN.
FACT: CAL 1ST CLASS IS NICE..........BUT NOT IF YOU DIE IN THE
AIRPLANE........!
FACT: AFTER BECOMING A ALL NATIONAL AIRLINE IN 2015 THE
ACCIDENT RATE WILL SORE ONCE MORE........SAD BUT
TRUE!
I am sure you are asleep at your desk now as it is lunch time in Taipei and everyone sleeps at their desks! But when you wake up please rebutt anything that I have said and I welcome your arguments! Because I know I will win everyone.........
Pitotman
The more you write on here the more ignorant you become. You are as transparent as anyone I have ever met! I feel sorry for you.......I truly do. Maybe its just better for China to take back Taiwan now......that way your silly posts can be monitored by BIGBROTHER and I would not have to waist my time rebutting everything you lie about on here!!!
Quote from SUXCAX4ALIVING ( "Well I ask you KAPM, how many office staff do you know who get 8 days off per month and paid to fly business or first class each time by their company as they fly half way around the world back home. Indeed it seems anyone who disagrees with KAPM is just an armchair pilot. A convenient way to dismiss facts when they are presented.
FACT: CAL had one of the WORST SAFETY RECORDS IN THE
WORLD....NOT TO MENTION MANDARIN!
FACT: WITHOUT EXPAT PILOTS THIS COMPANY WOULD NOT BE
ALLOWED TO FLY OVER CANDIAN OR CONTINENTAL US
AIRSPACE NEVER MIND LAND IN OUR AIRPORTS.
FACT: WITHOUT ECM (EXTRA CREW MEMBER IN FULL UNIFORM IN
BUISNESS CLASS FOR THOSE THAT DUE NOT KNOW)
EXPATS WOULD NOT WORK HERE AND THAT WOULD PUT
YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF A DESK JOB.....SO YOU SHOULD
THANK EVERY EXPAT PILOT EVERYDAY YOU SEE THEM
FACT: YOU ARE NOT A PILOT
FACT: YOU NEED TO GET BACK TO YOUR DESK AND DO WHAT
YOUR SORRY ASS GOVERNMENT RUN AIRLINE PAYS YOU TO
DO AND LET THE BIG BOYS FLY AIRPLANES AND DISCUSS IT
WHILE YOU DREAM OF FLYING
FACT: CAL BUISNESS CLASS SUCKS AND I AM GLAD TO SAY I
WILL NEVER FLY IT AGAIN.
FACT: CAL 1ST CLASS IS NICE..........BUT NOT IF YOU DIE IN THE
AIRPLANE........!
FACT: AFTER BECOMING A ALL NATIONAL AIRLINE IN 2015 THE
ACCIDENT RATE WILL SORE ONCE MORE........SAD BUT
TRUE!
I am sure you are asleep at your desk now as it is lunch time in Taipei and everyone sleeps at their desks! But when you wake up please rebutt anything that I have said and I welcome your arguments! Because I know I will win everyone.........
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Even after your departure you make life fun for me in Taipei....you missed a great fleet meeting today....LOL
We were rolling on the floor in the crew center reading your last two posts .
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Even after your departure you make life fun for me in Taipei....you missed a great fleet meeting today....LOL
We were rolling on the floor in the crew center reading your last two posts .
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Sorry to disapoint, however there is at least 1 expat Capt on the A330, and another shortly to check out, although the check out has not been without 'local' challenges.
And yes, only head to CAL if you have absolutely nothing else and stay only as long as you absolutely must.
8 days home leave per month is great...the rest is not so great.
And yes, only head to CAL if you have absolutely nothing else and stay only as long as you absolutely must.
8 days home leave per month is great...the rest is not so great.
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Ah Pitotman you are letting yourself down now really with utterly silly comments, baseless as well. You know nothing aboutme is the real truth, just like I know nothing about you but yes I can deduce you are certainly an immature loudmouth lol. Come on, you have dug your own grave with this audience pitotman. Your arguments are flawed to the core. You have no "facts" as you purport to have. When your ready to debate real issues let me know. Its scary if someone like you really has a degree by the way 
