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Old 5th Mar 2005, 12:16
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Tks for the info Rob, I`m taking a walk in the park.
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Expats don't think they're better at flying than locals. THEY ARE BETTER AND SAFER than most of them!
It has nothing to do with arrogance, or racism etc etc, simply with the quality and high ethics we must go trought in order to qualify for our licences. And MAINTAIN them throughout our career.
If for once, you could all drop your attitude of being untouchable when it comes to sharing quality training, knowledge, etc, it would be a better, friendly and safer work environment.
And please don't refer to DCA as wanting to pass the applicants....certainly not when they're expats...I have never seen so many obstacles we must overcome before qualifying for a validation or local licence! For what? You're a small country with limited aviation, limited aids, etc but still maintain an Expat ICAO licence is almost worthless...Ahahah
Yes we 've all been young, and wet behind the ears; however we certainly were humble and learnt from our fellow experienced pilots regardless of race, religion and other beliefs. Look at some of our PPrune registration and you will note that we share a common pool of knowledge and experience.
That was my 2 cents

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Firstly, it is the captains that are leaving MAS and there aren't enough fo's with the required hours (aeronautical experience) to fill the gaps left by current captains to be upgraded to fill the positions left vacant by the captains that have "VOTED WITH THEIR FEET" and left. Therefore if many captains leave there will be a big enough gap to initially disrupt the schedule (that's what's happening now) and as more leave shut down routes by fleet as the roster fails to supply the schedule.

Secondly, yes agreed nobody is indispenseble. So as more local captains leave MAS and there are insufficient Fo's with upgrade qualifications MAS will be forced to hire more captains for obvious reasons. These pilots will be expats who are type rated and they will be slotted to fleets as the demand requires. Already MAS has its feelers out for all fleets and the adds are out for DHC6, F-50 & 734. But the major shortages look like A330 & 777 with 744 suffering from old farts like me retiring.

Thirdly, Address the issue of exam cheating and airspace training in strong winds, ice and snow as to why training from outside Malaysia is advantageous. Look at the background of instructional staff both inflight and on gound. Then look at the respective regulatory bodies and their requirements. For Gods sake, Malaysia does not even have a PPL, CPL or ATPL syllabus it merely follows the UK CAA. What does this say about the DCA. either they cannot set it or ICAO doesn't allow it due to cheating and leaking of papers. BTW at MAS we have special instructors for the DCA guys. did you know that? Furthermore did you know that some of them have not passed their ATPL's but are operating on honary ATPL's that they will most probably take with them when they leave DCA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lastly, it is a two way street and sometimes it is the company that abuses its staff and this is firmly the case with MAS. Just look at the exodus of pilots of all races. But now, hell the melayus are the main bunch leaving, what does this say!!!!!!!!
Hey all pilots retire and you will too, but just remember the old farts know a thing or two cause we've been around you know!!!!

Wooblah............................

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Old 6th Mar 2005, 10:36
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answer to questions ..
1.there is no normal route with regards to F50 or 737s its up to the management
2.nobody knows...even management
3.there is none
4.a)by a bidding system when there is a
vacancy
b)and being somebodies son, nephew etc
helps.
choose? pls refer to 4(b)
5)no

And finally dont waste time trying to look at MH's standpoint because there is none. There is no one competent enough where it matters to make any form of proper planning.If they(management) gave 2 h**ts about the airline OR its pilots then MH would not be in its current dilemma.

regards

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Old 6th Mar 2005, 14:27
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I have this to suggest to you......for goodness sake, go and finish your CPL/IR and ATPL first before even cracking your head about what's going to happen by the time you finish training. You are talking from what you hear from the outside. It's a very uncertain aviation world out there. So, concentrate on completing first OK.

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hello ladies and gentlemen,

i am a graduate from MFA and I have to TOTALLY agree with longlatif.
in fact he left out a few points.
the main reason MFA IS in the DRAIN is because of the principle. he is an Ass Ole. he runs the school looking only for profit, profit and profit. everything else get put in the back seat. safety, quality and standards.

lets look at it this way. the school takes more than RM150,000 per student and there are about 250 students at this current time. with batch average of 10~15 students, that's more than a RM1,000,000 per batch. and that's about 10 batches at a time. so thats about RM10,000,000 at any one time.

so as you can see, there is alot of money coming in, but i am yet to see money going out.

from the acaedmy ground school facilities point of view.. most of the buildings are ex-freight containers. even the exam hall is 2 or 4 cointainers joint together, which makes the floor very unstable. it bounces up and down when you walk. next, when they lost their giant crp-5 (the big training one), they did not bother to replace it, citing it was too expensive. the only time they do upgrades or clean ups to make the school look better is when either DCA or MAS or other investors come in to inspect or view the place. they siap change the table covers in the cafeteria. but of course they take it off once they leave.

next are the aircrafts. most single engine aircrafts in MFA have only one radio and one vor reciever. and if you are lucky you could get a working ADF receiver. and mind you they are all more than 15~20 years old (the radios). the Attitude indicator and directional indicators in the planes are all running all over the place. especially the DI. less than half of the aircrafts in the academy have working Transponders. when some thing breaks down, they usually do transplants.. ie. they take out one radio from a 2 radio a/c and shove it into the s/c requiring the a/c. these are the things i can see. as far as the engines go, i cant really tell. but i can tell you on go around and full power they sputter like a 95 year old (2 big packs of dunhill a day) smoker.
i have spoken to the engineering staff, and they have told me that they have requested for the spares to be brought in, but they were all turned down by GP Capt (r) kokshove (mr principle is case you didn't know)

ok enough about that. i can understand that these are all not really major problems. and if push comes to shove the training can be done, but considering the fact that i paid RM150,000+ to these people, i EXPECT better QUALITY. i havent even started on the food (RM15 a day [breakfast, lunch, and tea -no dinner] compulsory and to be paid upfront before the course begins), their RM700 a month mini rooms the size of a link house toilet which is not included, and thier modern* "state of the art" simulator*. not to mention the problems with the instructors. aiyayai!~

ok.. now about the cadets.. (sorry if this is turning into a book).. hehehe .

as far as private students go. long latif is right. they are 2nd~3rd class citizens in the country of MFA. and MAS cadets being the drug of choice. i dont understand why they do this. in fact if i was principle(dictator) i'd treat the private students with love and respect, mainly cause they pay me cash!

now. regarding the problem of MAS cadets coming out of MFA and turning into bus drivers, its not really MFA's fault(well it still is partly) is because of the MAS selection problem. MOST of these so called cadets don't even want to be pilots. they are all there only for the money and the ladies. i feel that to be a pilot, a person has to WANT to be a pilot and to love being one. there are so many kids out there who would do anything to a pilot, but due to this so called *QUOTA* system (if you know what i mean, just shake your head.. if not, then just ignore.......- PIG!) they all have to wait 5,6,7,8,9,10, years till they get picked.

there are more reason for the lack of quality of pilots due to the reason of mfa but this simple message would of already turned into a novel. so i'll stop here. ask more and i'll update you guys.
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Old 7th Mar 2005, 16:31
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Wink cadettzzzzzzzzz

chan 55,

I cudnt agree mo with you ....Worldliner shdnt be ere,he shd be in some wannabe forum!!I bet we were all were like him when some of us started moons ago!

Worldliner
One thg at a time....were u a singaporean in ur past life??U sound soooo kiasu mate.....dont take mo than u can chew,plse mark my comments- n remember it,n see whether u agree with me in 20 yrs to come if u manage to make it as a pilot!!U sound as thou u live in a perfect world...mate ,wake up!!I bet ur adrenalin is overflowing rite now,but I wanna see whether u will still have the same opinion after 5 yrs in any airlines`~thats if u manage 2 get into 1!!!!

cav not ok,

I agree with u totally....u shd be including the ppl who gain the most by kokshove's rule of ""must have d nutrious meal in MFA""
Im sure its an open secret```

WOOBLAH...

Good daddy's advice..............take care boss!!

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Old 8th Mar 2005, 09:40
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Attention

As LATC is mentioned, I have to rectify your assessment:
1) LATC is starting and due to the specificity of our syllabus and the fact we do not accept any intake out of our program, 4 aircraft are sufficient to pass our cadets through the PPL phase until July. After, ....it is another story and we are finalising a big deal in order to increase our fleet up to 18 SE (new) and 2 TE by the end of the current year. The aircraft will arrive within 3 months for the first ones (Before July). As the deal is under final negotiation, I cannot say more for the time being.
2) We aim to be at REAL international standards within a year. It is the objective assigned by Tan Seri Halim himself. We are working hard on that.
3) we do not accept any intake out of our program, in order to respect our customers (Airlines and privates).
4) We think we are quite different from MFA in our aims and behaviours.
Aeronautical Regards
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Old 8th Mar 2005, 11:12
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i'm very sorry to hear of your posting. my deepest condolence.
hehe

ok, some advice:
1. once you start flying, watch out for those fukedtup headsets.
they are as hard as hell and stink like a mass grave left open for 5 months or more. whatever you do, dont squeeze the sponges on the thing. its and instant cause for nausea. hehe

2. beware of that S Ole they call chief ground instructor. he's seems very very nice, but inside he is a lying snake. S-OLE!

other than that, dont ever miss a flight or they will hold it against you for the rest of your life there. and dont worry about instructors. if you are unhappy with yours, that just means you have to study harder by yourself.

AND!!!!!!!! don't go to MFA and think you are some hero. treat every one as equals, for you'll be seeing them for the rest of your life. be friendly and people will be friendly with you.

GOOD LUCK, cleared for take off, runway 03!

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Old 8th Mar 2005, 15:53
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mmm ffffff aaaaaa

In a way its goood u got mfa....IF U CAN COME OUT OF THERE ALIVE n still positive about flying====u can fly anywhere man!

Most of the ppl there r nice,just that some(to b exact-2) NON MALAYSIA(read:indian xpat) ppl are making it stink!!

CAV not ok is very correct in his posting-for the headset,if ur daddy can afford it,get a piece of DAVID CLARK,with the gel earpad n flex boom-it will cost bout,RM1600-its money well spent,can get it in singapore!!U wudnt wanna go deaf by saving some money,n using the MFA's ugly set!!N it filters loads of the unwanted noise from the screaming 20 yr ol engines-

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Old 9th Mar 2005, 03:55
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Dude, I'm sure you paid attention during your Airframe & Systems classes that the headsets used during training and the ones used in the airlines are different.
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Old 9th Mar 2005, 09:03
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cav-not-ok:
were you a private student in MFA? if yes, where are you now? MAS or AIR ASIA...
im about to start my faa conversion to the malaysian licenses in LATC soon.
i need to have some talks from all the privately trained student from malaysia..
thank you
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Old 9th Mar 2005, 11:34
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yo dude,

if by private student you mean dumbass then, yes.

i'm not sure about the conversion from faa to malaysian dca cpl/ir atpl. i think you might have to do some flying and air law papers

ah.. my employment info is p n c. no leaking
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Old 10th Mar 2005, 06:38
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Hey people

Get back to the point of the poor conditions and at MFA and DCA in general.

You wanna discuss something else like headsets, put it on another thread.

longlatif n cav-not-ok are on to som ting here. lets here from the current crop of MFA instructors. Are there any other Pvt, MAS or AirAsia graduates that have something to say about MFA.
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Old 10th Mar 2005, 11:45
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Great to hear everyones valid points!

MASsenger has gone VERY quiet....

You won't hear any information from ANY of the current instructors. GP Capt (r) kokshove (Nice one ) has the entire group gagged... You talk, you're FIRED!!!

DCA should be doing something but alas, who can be bothered driving to Melaka and entering the ring of snakes? Seems like DCA knows it's screwed up but they feel like it's helpless to do anything about it...

The way to fix this WHOLE mess? Fire Kokshove, stop the intake of students and clear the back-log...

Word on the street is that this post has made it to MFA and maybe even DCA....
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Dear Longlatif,

Please don't get yourself stress out by this issue.It is in fact a common problem worldwide. I was trained in Aussie land, same problem existed. My training school is a motel!! Some planes were 20+years old. food sucks,the cook was a drug addict. Serving us while he was still intoxicated...... Does all these made lousy cadets? NO!! All of us did well.Over the years,we have gone from 737,A330,777,747 FO to A330 comanders.None of my group had a drop out.
Just look at the driving school in Malaysia, are their little Kanci tip top condition? Are the intructors very good at their job? Yet,are Malaysian drivers lousy? Reckless yes,lousy? I don't think so.
Take it easy.
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Danger

I heard that there was a showdown with Kashav putting the base facts in his face. Good luck to the parties involved,
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FLIGHTLEADER

how's it going?

i just want to know, how much did you pay for your course in australia, i only want to know the cost of the basic course. how was the ground school and flying instructors? any good? any onesided, non standard fellows? anyone with major attitude or lazyness problems? just asking, not implying.... heheheheh

damn man, i mean- how can you compare "THE MALAYSIAN FLYING ACADEMY" with driving school? my goodness, that's a disgrace by itself. hehehehe.

by the way i would say about 40~60% of malaysians CANT DRIVE, that includes 90% of all women drivers and 70% of people outside of the klang valley area... hehehe no offence.. but its true. hehehehe~!

ps. the reason i commented on the headsets was because it stinks and it's a health hazard, i mean it wont cost the academy much to make headsets compulsory to buy, just like buying 4 maps for RM100 each. coz the academy buys these ASA headsets from singapore/or where ever/ for about RM400-600 each, and adding RM600 to course fees of RM150,000 is not much. its not even much when compared to the compulsory fees for food.

the MAIN REASONS i am unhappy with MFA is because of
A. the disrespect/lies/degradation/quality you get from MFA after paying them a ****load of money. totally crap. infact i was treated better in my govt high school, which was great.

B. the cost saving methods being used in the school. if the school could somehow run airplanes without wings, there'd be plane without wings waiting for you. RM1,000,000++ per batch going in, almost nothing going out. that is truly FU'd

Cav-not-Ok!

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Old 11th Mar 2005, 13:34
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Hi guys...sorry to divert from the main topic again but, mktong.....have you registered in LATC for your conversion yet? I am very not clear about what are the things that I should do to convert my NZ CPL/MEIR to malaysia's one. It would be very nice if you could share some info with me bro.....and others' too!!
Thanks man.
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hey muhan.
you should have contacted malaysia DCA at putrajaya, just walk in and hand up all your documents should be fine.
it took me few weeks to receive the approval letter.
im required to do the caa atpl 6 papers + performance A,loading,HPL,Air law1 and 2... and some 35 expensive multi ..thats it.
u need to get an approval from dca 1st before talking to the flight school.

anyway, im glad that my classes will be started soon in april. hope to see you there.
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