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you make a valid point....
in the eyes of many outsiders most japanese do appear to be social retards lacking in communication skills....but as has been noted by many of the contributers to this thread, they have totally different social values.... and the many hidden meanings behind everything that is said and done.....that outsiders cant comprehend?..... for a country to be that successful they obviously communicate quite well with each other, but this manner is so alien to non-japanese it is often construed as ineffective.....
it is an incredibly controlled society...but it seems to work for them...
ever thought how your manners/communication style is percieved by them?....whilst this shouldn't concern you on your own turf....you are the "alien" there...
it is a TOTALLY different culture in almost every way to that of the west.....and comparisons are a waste of time...
if anyone intends to stay there (or anywhere) for an easy life i think it best to adapt, and if you can, try to switch off to the things that annoy/upset you.....impossible to change them.....it took them thousands of years to become this way, and even if they did totally understand your culture, i'm not sure they'd want/need to adapt japan to it...
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civilised by whose definition?.....many cultures alien to westerners, themselves consider western culture to be uncivilized (by their own standards)....you can probably include the japanese amongst them...
yes, many of them are racist, but being racist back still doesn't solve things....
i, as someone brought up in the west, also think japan should lighten up......but having been completely closed off until 150 yrs ago, and judging by the snails pace at which things seem to change there...it probably wont happen soon....
as to your last comment about them being finished technologically and intellectually.....well, if that's so, it might speed up change within the country....if it doesn't you'll all be looking elsewhere for jobs before too long....
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you make a valid point....
in the eyes of many outsiders most japanese do appear to be social retards lacking in communication skills....but as has been noted by many of the contributers to this thread, they have totally different social values.... and the many hidden meanings behind everything that is said and done.....that outsiders cant comprehend?..... for a country to be that successful they obviously communicate quite well with each other, but this manner is so alien to non-japanese it is often construed as ineffective.....
it is an incredibly controlled society...but it seems to work for them...
ever thought how your manners/communication style is percieved by them?....whilst this shouldn't concern you on your own turf....you are the "alien" there...
it is a TOTALLY different culture in almost every way to that of the west.....and comparisons are a waste of time...
if anyone intends to stay there (or anywhere) for an easy life i think it best to adapt, and if you can, try to switch off to the things that annoy/upset you.....impossible to change them.....it took them thousands of years to become this way, and even if they did totally understand your culture, i'm not sure they'd want/need to adapt japan to it...
JJ
civilised by whose definition?.....many cultures alien to westerners, themselves consider western culture to be uncivilized (by their own standards)....you can probably include the japanese amongst them...
yes, many of them are racist, but being racist back still doesn't solve things....
i, as someone brought up in the west, also think japan should lighten up......but having been completely closed off until 150 yrs ago, and judging by the snails pace at which things seem to change there...it probably wont happen soon....
as to your last comment about them being finished technologically and intellectually.....well, if that's so, it might speed up change within the country....if it doesn't you'll all be looking elsewhere for jobs before too long....
remote
perceived abductions
These were real people who were forcably taken from their homes. Many died in North Korea in circumstances that have yet to be adequatley explained.
If it had been a member of MY family taken in a state-sponsored kidnapping operation, I would damn well expect my government to take it up with the people responsible.
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"Social retards" is a little severe, isn`t it, Foreign Worker?
Most of the Japanese I have observed, appear to interact and communicate EXTREMELY well socially, and on a personal level.
I don`t understand the basis of your accusation there.
Had a good laugh when my wife told me this one a day or two ago.
My wife`s sister is visiting us in Japan, on her first visit to the country, and like many gaijin she is unfamilar with some of the Japanese customs, and "bits and pieces".
My wife made the offer to her sister to use whatever she wished eg. make-up, until she had time to go out and buy her own.
Sitting down for dinner, my sister-in-law joined us, freshly showered, and made up. At the time, i thought to myself, "Her lipstick looks a little tartish...just too red for her complexion", but of course said nothing to anyone.
The following morning, whilst s-i-l was still sleeping, my wife was giggling, as she said to me, "Did you see my sister`s lips last night?"
"Yes," I replied, "her lipstick is a bit too red."
Still giggling - even more as she continued - she said, "Last night my sister went to my make-up drawer, where apparently our 2 year old had placed the small, oblong shaped, red ink pad for my wife`s hanko (a hanko is the carved wooden signature stamp that each Japanese resident must have when signing business transactions, such as buying a car, and is registered with the local government.)"
Thinking the ink and hanko were some sort of Japanese lip gloss/lipstick, said s-i-l applied same!!
I guess she won`t be needing any more for a few days!
Most of the Japanese I have observed, appear to interact and communicate EXTREMELY well socially, and on a personal level.
I don`t understand the basis of your accusation there.
Had a good laugh when my wife told me this one a day or two ago.
My wife`s sister is visiting us in Japan, on her first visit to the country, and like many gaijin she is unfamilar with some of the Japanese customs, and "bits and pieces".
My wife made the offer to her sister to use whatever she wished eg. make-up, until she had time to go out and buy her own.
Sitting down for dinner, my sister-in-law joined us, freshly showered, and made up. At the time, i thought to myself, "Her lipstick looks a little tartish...just too red for her complexion", but of course said nothing to anyone.
The following morning, whilst s-i-l was still sleeping, my wife was giggling, as she said to me, "Did you see my sister`s lips last night?"
"Yes," I replied, "her lipstick is a bit too red."
Still giggling - even more as she continued - she said, "Last night my sister went to my make-up drawer, where apparently our 2 year old had placed the small, oblong shaped, red ink pad for my wife`s hanko (a hanko is the carved wooden signature stamp that each Japanese resident must have when signing business transactions, such as buying a car, and is registered with the local government.)"
Thinking the ink and hanko were some sort of Japanese lip gloss/lipstick, said s-i-l applied same!!
I guess she won`t be needing any more for a few days!
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Very interesting yarn Kaptin. For a moment I thought you may have been gong to tell us it was lipstick that your wife may haveused for more intimate places.
But it was a boring ending....unfortunately.
I know that red $%^& takes some getting off.
But it was a boring ending....unfortunately.
I know that red $%^& takes some getting off.
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Wizofox;
You may be interested to know that the Japanese press ( English edition ) is carrying criticism of Prime Minister Koizumi for his decision to raise the abduction issue at the nuclear disarmament talks. There is a time and place for everything as I' m sure you will agree
With regards to the word " perceived " I simply used it because the North Koreans do not admit to all the claims put about by the Japanese.
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You may be interested to know that the Japanese press ( English edition ) is carrying criticism of Prime Minister Koizumi for his decision to raise the abduction issue at the nuclear disarmament talks. There is a time and place for everything as I' m sure you will agree
With regards to the word " perceived " I simply used it because the North Koreans do not admit to all the claims put about by the Japanese.
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Wizofox;
Would you like me to give you a list of the historical lies that Japan is at present asking the world at large to swallow ? Lie about one thing, lie about another and rope in the gullible seems to be Nippon policy these days. . May I suggest you try thinking for yourself as things are not always what they seem.
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Would you like me to give you a list of the historical lies that Japan is at present asking the world at large to swallow ? Lie about one thing, lie about another and rope in the gullible seems to be Nippon policy these days. . May I suggest you try thinking for yourself as things are not always what they seem.
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Prince: I dont know about Wizofoz, but I would like to see this list of yours.
Would it be like most of your other claims, that minimal googling can find the whole story, not just your selective version?
Would it be like most of your other claims, that minimal googling can find the whole story, not just your selective version?
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Sorry, the list is not for you as there would be to much truth in it for an immature mind . You could not or would not take it on board so I'd be wasting my time. I dont mean to be personally offensive to you but thats how I see it.
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Sorry, the list is not for you as there would be to much truth in it for an immature mind . You could not or would not take it on board so I'd be wasting my time. I dont mean to be personally offensive to you but thats how I see it.
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Prince, which of my posts have been immature, or appear as if they come from an immature mind?
Or are you tired of your posts on this thread being balanced out with the whole story?
Or are you tired of your posts on this thread being balanced out with the whole story?
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Winds of Change;
Well known Japanese actress Kaoru Sugita with her very public dishing out of dirt on that unwanted Japanese husband of hers has both friends and foes gasping for breath. She sure is piling it on to a point where it would seem things are actually starting to change in the land of the rising sun.
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Well known Japanese actress Kaoru Sugita with her very public dishing out of dirt on that unwanted Japanese husband of hers has both friends and foes gasping for breath. She sure is piling it on to a point where it would seem things are actually starting to change in the land of the rising sun.
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A couple of precised articles, from the Daily Yomiuri.
Japan's population may shrink in 2005, for the 1st time ever
In an indication tht the country's population may shrink this year, for the first time in recorded history, the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry said Tuesday that the population fell by 31,034 in the January-June period.
The number of deaths totalled 568,671 in the first half of this year, while births registered 537,637, according to the data compiled by the ministry.
"Deaths have exceeded birth on a month-to-month basis, but we have not seen that happen over a 6 month period (ever) before," a ministry official said.
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Beheading contest libel case thrown out
The Tokyo District Court on Tuesday dismissed a lawsuit filed by the relatives of two executed officers of the Imperial Japanese Army against two newspapers and a journalist, over reports in 1937 that said the two competed against each other to be first to behead 100 Chinese soldiers during the Nanjing Incident, by carrying out "hyakunin giri kyoso" (100 head contest).
Three family members of the two second lieutenants filed the lawsuits seeking ¥36 million in damages against The Mainichi Shimbun, The Asahi Shimbun, and Katsuichi Honda, a journalist and former Asahi reporter.
The soldiers were executed after the war, by the Chinese Government, after being tried at a military court in Nanjing.
Presiding Judge, Akio Doi, said it is difficult to prove the news articles were based on a fabricated incident because one of the soldiers made remarks indicating his role in the contest.
Doi also said the reports cannot be called "clearly false" as historians have yet to agree on whether the contest actually occurred.
Japan's population may shrink in 2005, for the 1st time ever
In an indication tht the country's population may shrink this year, for the first time in recorded history, the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry said Tuesday that the population fell by 31,034 in the January-June period.
The number of deaths totalled 568,671 in the first half of this year, while births registered 537,637, according to the data compiled by the ministry.
"Deaths have exceeded birth on a month-to-month basis, but we have not seen that happen over a 6 month period (ever) before," a ministry official said.
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Beheading contest libel case thrown out
The Tokyo District Court on Tuesday dismissed a lawsuit filed by the relatives of two executed officers of the Imperial Japanese Army against two newspapers and a journalist, over reports in 1937 that said the two competed against each other to be first to behead 100 Chinese soldiers during the Nanjing Incident, by carrying out "hyakunin giri kyoso" (100 head contest).
Three family members of the two second lieutenants filed the lawsuits seeking ¥36 million in damages against The Mainichi Shimbun, The Asahi Shimbun, and Katsuichi Honda, a journalist and former Asahi reporter.
The soldiers were executed after the war, by the Chinese Government, after being tried at a military court in Nanjing.
Presiding Judge, Akio Doi, said it is difficult to prove the news articles were based on a fabricated incident because one of the soldiers made remarks indicating his role in the contest.
Doi also said the reports cannot be called "clearly false" as historians have yet to agree on whether the contest actually occurred.
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The reports of the beheading contest are not surprising. Just another in character episode portraying an inner psyche that some seek to deny. It won't be forgotten.
The very latest addition to Japanese nationalism is the forthcoming production of a movie to glorify the kamikaze. It would seem some things are to be erased and forgotten while others are to be remembered and upheld. Just who is it that they are trying to fool?
Next :
Cover up of imperial families Korean ancestry and Japanese billionaire's plan to build an island in the Pacific Ocean to increase Japan's maritime holdings. Stay tuned.
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The very latest addition to Japanese nationalism is the forthcoming production of a movie to glorify the kamikaze. It would seem some things are to be erased and forgotten while others are to be remembered and upheld. Just who is it that they are trying to fool?
Next :
Cover up of imperial families Korean ancestry and Japanese billionaire's plan to build an island in the Pacific Ocean to increase Japan's maritime holdings. Stay tuned.
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HI everyone. I read the article about the beheadings. I just cant believe that japanese people would actually still try to deny that. I am an Australian living in Japan, and my parents are from China.
Sure,its good to have pride in your country, but I think the japanese have an ignorant pride. They are so proud of their country that they dont want to admit the problems they have.....thus the inability and lack of change in this country.
Australians are proud of their country too, but we have the ability to admit problems and voice our opinions for change.
Sorry to get off the topic a little. I just got two things to discuss so please feel free and let me know your opinion.
1. I am Australian, my parents are from China so i look asian. However, if you spoke to me over the phone you would probably think i was related to the Bushtucker man.
But when japanese people talk to me, they just keep referring to me as Chinese. Its like the japanese have an inability to look past the surface of my skin. It can be a bit frustrusting as i have to keep telling them that Australia is a multicultural nation....something japan is not.
On the flip side however, japanese people do tend to treat most foreigners fairly well and are quite welcoming. So there is good and bad.
2. I teach english to a F/O who flies for JAS. He flies a DC-9 and has been working there for 4 years. In class we always have a yarn about flying. When i asked him how many hours he had, he told me he had a total time of 3000hours. Only a 100 hours was command time, and the rest was a mix of dual and I think what he described as "pilot in command under supervision" (something like that...i cant remember exactly). I am not an airline pilot so i dont really know if this is adequate experience to be an F/O for an airline.
Judging from the requirements at Qantas and other aussie airlines, the japanese pilots seem to have less experience....and they are keeping to the japanese work tradition of knowing the bare minimum to the job required...with zero ability to multi-task.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Sure,its good to have pride in your country, but I think the japanese have an ignorant pride. They are so proud of their country that they dont want to admit the problems they have.....thus the inability and lack of change in this country.
Australians are proud of their country too, but we have the ability to admit problems and voice our opinions for change.
Sorry to get off the topic a little. I just got two things to discuss so please feel free and let me know your opinion.
1. I am Australian, my parents are from China so i look asian. However, if you spoke to me over the phone you would probably think i was related to the Bushtucker man.
But when japanese people talk to me, they just keep referring to me as Chinese. Its like the japanese have an inability to look past the surface of my skin. It can be a bit frustrusting as i have to keep telling them that Australia is a multicultural nation....something japan is not.
On the flip side however, japanese people do tend to treat most foreigners fairly well and are quite welcoming. So there is good and bad.
2. I teach english to a F/O who flies for JAS. He flies a DC-9 and has been working there for 4 years. In class we always have a yarn about flying. When i asked him how many hours he had, he told me he had a total time of 3000hours. Only a 100 hours was command time, and the rest was a mix of dual and I think what he described as "pilot in command under supervision" (something like that...i cant remember exactly). I am not an airline pilot so i dont really know if this is adequate experience to be an F/O for an airline.
Judging from the requirements at Qantas and other aussie airlines, the japanese pilots seem to have less experience....and they are keeping to the japanese work tradition of knowing the bare minimum to the job required...with zero ability to multi-task.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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The Straits Times (Singapore) had an article a couple of days back about an All Nippon pilot, 42 yo so probably a Captain, selling manuals and uniforms to a dealer who then offered the items on the internet.
Total invovled was about US$4,500. He said he needed the money!!! I believe ANA Capts are paid the equivalent of about US$25,000 a month, but they pay tax at 20%. Life's tough, so I expect he really did need the money.
It's interesting to note that of the Jap pilots working for the m nor airlines in Japan, who had previously been working for a major, most have been dismissed for petty theft, selling taxi vouchers (and then taking the train to work), and now selling uniforms and manuals.Honourable people indeed.
I realize this pales into insignificance when compared with beheadings etc., but I thought I'd throw it in anyway
Total invovled was about US$4,500. He said he needed the money!!! I believe ANA Capts are paid the equivalent of about US$25,000 a month, but they pay tax at 20%. Life's tough, so I expect he really did need the money.
It's interesting to note that of the Jap pilots working for the m nor airlines in Japan, who had previously been working for a major, most have been dismissed for petty theft, selling taxi vouchers (and then taking the train to work), and now selling uniforms and manuals.Honourable people indeed.
I realize this pales into insignificance when compared with beheadings etc., but I thought I'd throw it in anyway
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It's well known that for centuries the Japanese have considered the Koreans as second class citizens and have treated them as such in any number of ways. Recently Professor Toike Noburu a professor of history at Ben-En Chofu University in Tokyo invoked Japan's freedom of information laws in an effort to establish a direct genealogical connection between Japan's imperial family and persistent rumours that it has Korean ancestry. He is also trying to learn why it is that the keepers of imperial secrets are going to such great lengths to keep this fact from being officially disclosed. Professor Noburu's efforts to pry open the imperial household's sanctuary is considered a bold move and there are scholars within Japan who applaud his efforts. Emperor Atihito is actually on record as referring to the Korean conection by saying quote: "It made him feel a certain closeness to Korea" unquote. However there exists strong resistance from the right not to disclose the facts so it will be interesting to see the outcome.
With cover ups like this that originate from the very top of the tree one can see why it is that Japanese writers of WWII history are so loose with the truth.
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With cover ups like this that originate from the very top of the tree one can see why it is that Japanese writers of WWII history are so loose with the truth.
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Sorry for the delay in a response to the pm, pilotdreams1977, but time has been a little short to give you the reply you deserve. Check your INBOX again shortly 
JapJok, you have shown yourself to be a prime sh!tstirrer on other forums. It's a pity, because you some of the stuff you write is occasionally worthy of more than a fleeting glance (your comparison of Japanese society to the ants' nest was - imo - quite witty, and spot on), but overall you're out to elicit reactions, and to drive a wedge, when you think it's time.
Your last post here is a typical example of drawing 2 long strings from 2 different bows, and trying to unify them.
I simply don't see ANY correlation between your 1st and 2nd paragraphs!
ANA is NOT a "minor" airline.
And 2 swallows do not a summer make!
As you are well aware, Prince, I have a great deal of respect for you, and your wisdom, and I know that you write from your heart, that which you believe to be true.
And I have absolutely NO reason to doubt you.
However, of other people, I have found that those who cite persistent rumours, and who quote hearsay and innuendo, are working from a very weak base - perhaps one based on wishful thinking, rather than actual facts.
JapJok, you have shown yourself to be a prime sh!tstirrer on other forums. It's a pity, because you some of the stuff you write is occasionally worthy of more than a fleeting glance (your comparison of Japanese society to the ants' nest was - imo - quite witty, and spot on), but overall you're out to elicit reactions, and to drive a wedge, when you think it's time.
Your last post here is a typical example of drawing 2 long strings from 2 different bows, and trying to unify them.
I simply don't see ANY correlation between your 1st and 2nd paragraphs!
ANA is NOT a "minor" airline.
And 2 swallows do not a summer make!
As you are well aware, Prince, I have a great deal of respect for you, and your wisdom, and I know that you write from your heart, that which you believe to be true.
And I have absolutely NO reason to doubt you.
However, of other people, I have found that those who cite persistent rumours, and who quote hearsay and innuendo, are working from a very weak base - perhaps one based on wishful thinking, rather than actual facts.
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Kapitan M;
In essence what I have just written comes from an article entitled " Japan's Unresolved Questions of Historial Consciousness" written by Herbert Bix who is classified by his publishers as a Japan Focus Associate. He is also the author of a book entitled " Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan " published by Harper Collins. I have to assume what he says is correct especially as he names a known scholar of imperial history such as Professor Toike Noboru. It would be interesting to have further confirmation of this Korean connection but at the moment I'm not to sure where to find it in English. Jumpa Lagi.
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In essence what I have just written comes from an article entitled " Japan's Unresolved Questions of Historial Consciousness" written by Herbert Bix who is classified by his publishers as a Japan Focus Associate. He is also the author of a book entitled " Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan " published by Harper Collins. I have to assume what he says is correct especially as he names a known scholar of imperial history such as Professor Toike Noboru. It would be interesting to have further confirmation of this Korean connection but at the moment I'm not to sure where to find it in English. Jumpa Lagi.
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Kaptin, If I've contributed on other forums it would be infrequently.
As for a connection between first and second paras, it's petty theft.
I did not refer to ANA as a minor airline; I've read and reread my post, and I don't see that. What I said was that of those Japcapswho are working for minor airlines and who PREVIOUSLY worked for major airlines, a fair number have been fired for petty theft.
The figures I have indicate a gftreater number thantwo. But what I'm getting at here is that if you're netting US20K a month, why would you jeopardize that by nicking taxi vouchers. I perhaps should have made the connection that they seem to be implicitly honest people; for example they won't steal a small amount of cash if left in their way, but they see selling taxi vouchers as something else; that's not theft, not actually stealing money!! Probably another facet of their cock eyed culture.
Thanks you for you kind comments re my likening of the Japanese to an ants' nest. I thought it was a good analogy also.
Incidentally, there were comments made on a different thread, but I can't find it, on Abeles, the former head of Ansett, being mentioned in places like the US senate as being involved in organized crime. I didn't see you defending the response to those claims.
As for a connection between first and second paras, it's petty theft.
I did not refer to ANA as a minor airline; I've read and reread my post, and I don't see that. What I said was that of those Japcapswho are working for minor airlines and who PREVIOUSLY worked for major airlines, a fair number have been fired for petty theft.
The figures I have indicate a gftreater number thantwo. But what I'm getting at here is that if you're netting US20K a month, why would you jeopardize that by nicking taxi vouchers. I perhaps should have made the connection that they seem to be implicitly honest people; for example they won't steal a small amount of cash if left in their way, but they see selling taxi vouchers as something else; that's not theft, not actually stealing money!! Probably another facet of their cock eyed culture.
Thanks you for you kind comments re my likening of the Japanese to an ants' nest. I thought it was a good analogy also.
Incidentally, there were comments made on a different thread, but I can't find it, on Abeles, the former head of Ansett, being mentioned in places like the US senate as being involved in organized crime. I didn't see you defending the response to those claims.