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To me, the trick in living here are the inside connections. If you come over here with no Japanese friends it can be frustrating. Family connections are also "key" in making life easier. I know some people teaching English here that have Japanese girlfriends and it make life a lot easier...they can teach you how to live efficiently in Japan.. (i.e cheapest internet service, best cell phone plan etc.)
There are too many choices in Japan and access to information is critical...that's where your friends come in. All these complaints about Japan is solved when you have "inside access". Cheaper, larger apartments which you never knew about suddenly emerge, cell phone deals appear, etc etc...
These may seem like obvious points, but in my limited time here so far, I found many gaijin that refuse to penetrate Japanese society. They huddle up in foreign enclaves like Roppongi here in Tokyo and hang out in clubs, bars and coffee houses as if they are in Britain or the United States. I am amazed at how many gaijin are hanging out at British Pubs...why travel 10,000 miles to work in Tokyo? I'll take a nice sake joint over a Pub anyday...I can do that in the States.
The contract and the company that a pilot works for does not reflect the people of Japan. I know plenty of "Brits" in the United States that were practically indentured servents and they were working as contract software engineers. The contract issue must be seperated from the culture...because bad contracts are bad contracts...it doesn't matter where you live. I find people who dislike Japan have no Japanese friends and have limited speaking abilities. The same ingredients for success in the United States applies to Japan...learn the language, appreciate the culture and make as many friends as you can...that's what I'm doing and I'm having a great time!
There are too many choices in Japan and access to information is critical...that's where your friends come in. All these complaints about Japan is solved when you have "inside access". Cheaper, larger apartments which you never knew about suddenly emerge, cell phone deals appear, etc etc...
These may seem like obvious points, but in my limited time here so far, I found many gaijin that refuse to penetrate Japanese society. They huddle up in foreign enclaves like Roppongi here in Tokyo and hang out in clubs, bars and coffee houses as if they are in Britain or the United States. I am amazed at how many gaijin are hanging out at British Pubs...why travel 10,000 miles to work in Tokyo? I'll take a nice sake joint over a Pub anyday...I can do that in the States.
The contract and the company that a pilot works for does not reflect the people of Japan. I know plenty of "Brits" in the United States that were practically indentured servents and they were working as contract software engineers. The contract issue must be seperated from the culture...because bad contracts are bad contracts...it doesn't matter where you live. I find people who dislike Japan have no Japanese friends and have limited speaking abilities. The same ingredients for success in the United States applies to Japan...learn the language, appreciate the culture and make as many friends as you can...that's what I'm doing and I'm having a great time!
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Imperial Submarine 1-52:
An attempt to raise the World War II imperial Japanese submarine 1-52 from its position in mid Atlantic will commence in November this year. 1-52 was sunk by an Avenger on 25 July 1944 (one year before Japan surrendered) enroute from Japan to Germany and is thought to have been on a mission of peace. Rumour has it she was carrying offers of a cease fire to be relayed to the Americans via Switzerland. She also carried a shipment of gold bullion to pay the Germans for special armaments (optical gunsights). It would seem there are three separate parties interested in 1-52 and each one for a different reason . (1) The salvage company seeks the gold (2) the Japanese government want the submarine and crew and (3) the US State Department want the diplomatic pouches. They (the State Department) are on record as saying "it's possible they contain the peace offer". One has to wonder why the Americans are so interested unless it is to inject into history a change of thinking in that perhaps the Nipponese were not such bad fellows after all. The US State Department is known for its bizarre behaviour and it's just possible they could come up with something like this.
The commander of 1-52 was Captain Uno Kameo who earlier as commander of submarine 1-175 caused the Australians so much agitation with his sinkings along their East coast. He carried out five successful war patrols against the Americans in the Pacific and was rewarded with command of the 1-52 and its secret mission that cost him his life. Captain Uno Kameo was a true war hero as distinct from the executed war criminals that Prime Minister Koizumi continues to honour. Perhaps it's time that someone explained to him that there is a difference.
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An attempt to raise the World War II imperial Japanese submarine 1-52 from its position in mid Atlantic will commence in November this year. 1-52 was sunk by an Avenger on 25 July 1944 (one year before Japan surrendered) enroute from Japan to Germany and is thought to have been on a mission of peace. Rumour has it she was carrying offers of a cease fire to be relayed to the Americans via Switzerland. She also carried a shipment of gold bullion to pay the Germans for special armaments (optical gunsights). It would seem there are three separate parties interested in 1-52 and each one for a different reason . (1) The salvage company seeks the gold (2) the Japanese government want the submarine and crew and (3) the US State Department want the diplomatic pouches. They (the State Department) are on record as saying "it's possible they contain the peace offer". One has to wonder why the Americans are so interested unless it is to inject into history a change of thinking in that perhaps the Nipponese were not such bad fellows after all. The US State Department is known for its bizarre behaviour and it's just possible they could come up with something like this.
The commander of 1-52 was Captain Uno Kameo who earlier as commander of submarine 1-175 caused the Australians so much agitation with his sinkings along their East coast. He carried out five successful war patrols against the Americans in the Pacific and was rewarded with command of the 1-52 and its secret mission that cost him his life. Captain Uno Kameo was a true war hero as distinct from the executed war criminals that Prime Minister Koizumi continues to honour. Perhaps it's time that someone explained to him that there is a difference.
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Ahh, gomi!
The place I used to live in Saitama, our designated gomi collection point was at the far end of the block, a couple of minutes walk each way. Far more satisfactory was using the collection point located just across the street, close enough to throw bags into without leaving the building, though I was told i couldnt use that one because it was for the other block.
That block, bizarrely, had different collection days to our own block, so trips around the corner to our own block I only made when for what ever reason I couldnt wait until the next week came around...
Oh well, its just gomi.
The place I used to live in Saitama, our designated gomi collection point was at the far end of the block, a couple of minutes walk each way. Far more satisfactory was using the collection point located just across the street, close enough to throw bags into without leaving the building, though I was told i couldnt use that one because it was for the other block.
That block, bizarrely, had different collection days to our own block, so trips around the corner to our own block I only made when for what ever reason I couldnt wait until the next week came around...
Oh well, its just gomi.
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KaptinM, I've experienced similar, though not on such a grand scale. The fish that was filleted alive for my group was only about 25 cm long; it was an unnerving experience watching the poor creature blinking and wiggling its tail at teh table, and one in which I have refused to participate since.
We are top of the food chain so it is incumbent on us to kill other species for food, but civilized people, yes Stereolab, civilized people, don't celebrate and enjoy the experience, laughing about the pl;ight of the creature filleted alive at their table side.
Eat raw whatever you wish, but don't kill it in the most inhumane way imaginable and laugh whilst doing it. And they have the nerve to clasp their hands in front of them and utter some garbage, that probably ends with '****a', suppsoedly giving thanks to whoever for the feed.
Since the conversation is diversifying somewhat, I me ntion the following. A colleague recently doing some research, turned up the head of the kamizake squadrons as none other than Admiral Oniishi. He had two sons, and one of them is believed to be the recently retired head of JCAB...seems he was no greater success than his old man.
If you've ever done a check with Oniishi san, then you would be familiar with what I say. He knew how many active volcanoes in Japan though, or so he said, and what else matters.
We are top of the food chain so it is incumbent on us to kill other species for food, but civilized people, yes Stereolab, civilized people, don't celebrate and enjoy the experience, laughing about the pl;ight of the creature filleted alive at their table side.
Eat raw whatever you wish, but don't kill it in the most inhumane way imaginable and laugh whilst doing it. And they have the nerve to clasp their hands in front of them and utter some garbage, that probably ends with '****a', suppsoedly giving thanks to whoever for the feed.
Since the conversation is diversifying somewhat, I me ntion the following. A colleague recently doing some research, turned up the head of the kamizake squadrons as none other than Admiral Oniishi. He had two sons, and one of them is believed to be the recently retired head of JCAB...seems he was no greater success than his old man.
If you've ever done a check with Oniishi san, then you would be familiar with what I say. He knew how many active volcanoes in Japan though, or so he said, and what else matters.
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Japjok,
My country has the highest murder rates in the world...but we don't kill and eat fish whilst they're still alive. Instead we kill each other...and in some cases, like Jeffery Dommer the famous mass murderer, we eat humans too.
So, you continue to bash Japan and now call them "uncivilized", yet they have one of the lowest murder rates in the world. While my homeland has the highest. So which country is more civilized? Again, your negative experiences with the JCAB and your company contract should not be taken out on the people of Japan.
As far as the "Japanese live fish eating" issue is concerned...this is considered an "extreme cuisine" here in Japan and it's very expensive and the number of places that offer it is very few. The group of Japanese you were with does reflect the general public. This subject came up a couple of months ago with my wife's family who deplore this type of practice. There are many things that happen here that the Japanese are not proud of...but again, this is the same all around the world. I could name hundreds of things about America that are embarrasing, but this doesn't mean Americans are uncivilized.
Again, enough with the stereotyping.
My country has the highest murder rates in the world...but we don't kill and eat fish whilst they're still alive. Instead we kill each other...and in some cases, like Jeffery Dommer the famous mass murderer, we eat humans too.
So, you continue to bash Japan and now call them "uncivilized", yet they have one of the lowest murder rates in the world. While my homeland has the highest. So which country is more civilized? Again, your negative experiences with the JCAB and your company contract should not be taken out on the people of Japan.
As far as the "Japanese live fish eating" issue is concerned...this is considered an "extreme cuisine" here in Japan and it's very expensive and the number of places that offer it is very few. The group of Japanese you were with does reflect the general public. This subject came up a couple of months ago with my wife's family who deplore this type of practice. There are many things that happen here that the Japanese are not proud of...but again, this is the same all around the world. I could name hundreds of things about America that are embarrasing, but this doesn't mean Americans are uncivilized.
Again, enough with the stereotyping.
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Sterolab, NZleardrver or anyone else.....
I was wondering how far 100,000 USD would go in Osaka (Captain, ANA Dash 8 contract). What type of lifestyle can a family of three (Mum, Dad, toddler), expect? I don't need extravagance, but I don't want the mental hassle of not being able to make ends meet at least somewhat comfortably. Any info will be much appreciated. What percentage of Osakans make the equivalent of USD 100,000 (approximately 10,586,294.36 JPY at current exchange rates)?
Cheers!
I was wondering how far 100,000 USD would go in Osaka (Captain, ANA Dash 8 contract). What type of lifestyle can a family of three (Mum, Dad, toddler), expect? I don't need extravagance, but I don't want the mental hassle of not being able to make ends meet at least somewhat comfortably. Any info will be much appreciated. What percentage of Osakans make the equivalent of USD 100,000 (approximately 10,586,294.36 JPY at current exchange rates)?
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I think you will be able to live quite well on that. However, is accommodation provided? Are they paying your tax?
You cannot really compare what you are earnig to what a local will earn. (and yes it is much more than the average salaryman)
A local has the family support network, and so can survive on much less.
Will you be based out of Itami, or Kansai Int Airport?
You will not have to worry about making ends meet on $100,000, but like I said, accommodation will determine how well you will live.
I think you will be able to live quite well on that. However, is accommodation provided? Are they paying your tax?
You cannot really compare what you are earnig to what a local will earn. (and yes it is much more than the average salaryman)
A local has the family support network, and so can survive on much less.
Will you be based out of Itami, or Kansai Int Airport?
You will not have to worry about making ends meet on $100,000, but like I said, accommodation will determine how well you will live.
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Stereolab:
The analogy you use in defence of the indefensible is not very convincing. I see no difference between he who slowly picks a live fish to pieces and he who wields a rifle and bayonet and stands astride a helpless victim. They are one and the same person. If you think the psychic of this person will change in one generation then you are sadly mistaken.
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The analogy you use in defence of the indefensible is not very convincing. I see no difference between he who slowly picks a live fish to pieces and he who wields a rifle and bayonet and stands astride a helpless victim. They are one and the same person. If you think the psychic of this person will change in one generation then you are sadly mistaken.
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NZleardriver,
Thanks for the response. There is no housing included in contract. Do any foreigners buy property rather than rent? How much square footage can one get for say 2000 USD/month in Osaka? Thanks again for all the responses!
Cheers!
Thanks for the response. There is no housing included in contract. Do any foreigners buy property rather than rent? How much square footage can one get for say 2000 USD/month in Osaka? Thanks again for all the responses!
Cheers!
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Since Stereolab has deserted the thread, I won't be seen as labouring a point if I take it a little further.
Yes, humans do kill other humans from time to time, and possibly in greater numbers in SL's home country than others. As he noted, in a recent case, one even consumed his victim, but he contends at his victim's request. That may, or may not, be the case, but regardless, it is an isolated case.
There would be hundreds of thousands of fish filleted alive every day in Japan, and I will not be convinced that those who perpetrate such actions are other than uncivilized, even barbaric, particularly since they do it for no reason other than they suggest that if either the fish is permitted to die naturally, i.e., from lack of water through its gills, it releases toxins into the flesh and doesn't taste so good.
So that I won't be seen as making a personal attack on SL, or it even be suggested it may be because he's married to a Japanese girl, let me say that I've seen snakes have their bile ducts removed whilst still alive at the snake market in Hong Kong (used in rice wine as an aphrodisiac), eels skinned alive in China (convenient and fast), pigs clubbed to death in the Pacific (island tradition), cows' throats cut and the animal bled to death in the streets of Istanbul (Islamic ritual), etc., etc., and I find those practices barbaric and uncivilized also.
I say again that as creatures at the top of the food chain, the most intelligent animals on the earth, we have an obligation to ensure that whatever other species we kill for food are killed in the most humane way possible. I appreciate that animals in the wild don't extend the same courtesy to their prey, but they are not intelligent creatures as we are, or at least some of us are.
My opinion is that those who don't do so are uncivilized and barbaric, and if that includes the Japanese, among others, and it offends some for me to say so, then that is most unfortunate.
Yes, humans do kill other humans from time to time, and possibly in greater numbers in SL's home country than others. As he noted, in a recent case, one even consumed his victim, but he contends at his victim's request. That may, or may not, be the case, but regardless, it is an isolated case.
There would be hundreds of thousands of fish filleted alive every day in Japan, and I will not be convinced that those who perpetrate such actions are other than uncivilized, even barbaric, particularly since they do it for no reason other than they suggest that if either the fish is permitted to die naturally, i.e., from lack of water through its gills, it releases toxins into the flesh and doesn't taste so good.
So that I won't be seen as making a personal attack on SL, or it even be suggested it may be because he's married to a Japanese girl, let me say that I've seen snakes have their bile ducts removed whilst still alive at the snake market in Hong Kong (used in rice wine as an aphrodisiac), eels skinned alive in China (convenient and fast), pigs clubbed to death in the Pacific (island tradition), cows' throats cut and the animal bled to death in the streets of Istanbul (Islamic ritual), etc., etc., and I find those practices barbaric and uncivilized also.
I say again that as creatures at the top of the food chain, the most intelligent animals on the earth, we have an obligation to ensure that whatever other species we kill for food are killed in the most humane way possible. I appreciate that animals in the wild don't extend the same courtesy to their prey, but they are not intelligent creatures as we are, or at least some of us are.
My opinion is that those who don't do so are uncivilized and barbaric, and if that includes the Japanese, among others, and it offends some for me to say so, then that is most unfortunate.
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The Japan Times
Saturday, April 30, 2005.
Two brothers have been arrested and charged with murdering 13 prostitutes, slicing up their bodies and eating their kidneys in a 15 month crime spree across northern China, state press reported Friday.
Shen Changyin and Shen Changpin, who had previously lived in Fukuoka from March 2000 until September 2002, are being charged with carrying out the grisly murders from June 2003 to August 2004 in five northern provinces and regions, the China News Service reported.
Saturday, April 30, 2005.
Two brothers have been arrested and charged with murdering 13 prostitutes, slicing up their bodies and eating their kidneys in a 15 month crime spree across northern China, state press reported Friday.
Shen Changyin and Shen Changpin, who had previously lived in Fukuoka from March 2000 until September 2002, are being charged with carrying out the grisly murders from June 2003 to August 2004 in five northern provinces and regions, the China News Service reported.
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I'd like to see that reported in the Chinese newspapers Foreign Worker. It may have an entirely different perspective on it, but only may.
It may have been worse; it could have been a couple of Koreans who perpetrated the grisly murders. I think they're disliked even more intensely by the Japanese.
As for eating human kidneys, a reading of Lord Russell's book, Knights of Bushido, will enlighten the reader of WW2 atrocities perpetrated by soldiers of the Nippopn Imperial Army in the jungles of SE Asia. Removing internal organs, particularly kidneys and livers for consumption, whilst the owners were still alive was quite a common practice.
It seems the practice of dismembering those whose parts were desired for eating whilst the victim is/was still alive has a long pedigree in Japan.
Decapitation of allied soldiers for no good reason, or indeed any reason, was even more common.
This is my last contribution on this specific matter.
It may have been worse; it could have been a couple of Koreans who perpetrated the grisly murders. I think they're disliked even more intensely by the Japanese.
As for eating human kidneys, a reading of Lord Russell's book, Knights of Bushido, will enlighten the reader of WW2 atrocities perpetrated by soldiers of the Nippopn Imperial Army in the jungles of SE Asia. Removing internal organs, particularly kidneys and livers for consumption, whilst the owners were still alive was quite a common practice.
It seems the practice of dismembering those whose parts were desired for eating whilst the victim is/was still alive has a long pedigree in Japan.
Decapitation of allied soldiers for no good reason, or indeed any reason, was even more common.
This is my last contribution on this specific matter.
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Osaka DH8 Contract
Sunbird,
I'm on the ANA DH8 contract in Osaka, and I would not recommend it at the moment. I am single and have a decent older apartment for Y103500/month (64sq m, unfurnished), that you could have a spouse and toddler in. However, there was a deposit of six month's rent + 1 month rent for an agent to move in and utilities are about another Y10000/month. You will be taxed on your full salary + allowances, although at a lower rate than for western countries. ANet/ANA will not be give any assistance to find accommodation or anything else.
We work 5 or 6 days on, one day off and have 12-14 nights away from Osaka each month. This is really difficult for families to cope with. If you decide to commute instead, don't forget that you commute in your own time, and hell breaks loose if you don't get back here in time for your first flight. So, out of a 20 day break you will only get about 15 at home. ANA is being totally rigid about all contract matters (such as no per diems).
In short, you will get the advertised pay and allowances and nothing else. Expect to spend more than USD3000/month just living and eating in Osaka if you have a family. Do not expect ANet to give you anything.
I'm on the ANA DH8 contract in Osaka, and I would not recommend it at the moment. I am single and have a decent older apartment for Y103500/month (64sq m, unfurnished), that you could have a spouse and toddler in. However, there was a deposit of six month's rent + 1 month rent for an agent to move in and utilities are about another Y10000/month. You will be taxed on your full salary + allowances, although at a lower rate than for western countries. ANet/ANA will not be give any assistance to find accommodation or anything else.
We work 5 or 6 days on, one day off and have 12-14 nights away from Osaka each month. This is really difficult for families to cope with. If you decide to commute instead, don't forget that you commute in your own time, and hell breaks loose if you don't get back here in time for your first flight. So, out of a 20 day break you will only get about 15 at home. ANA is being totally rigid about all contract matters (such as no per diems).
In short, you will get the advertised pay and allowances and nothing else. Expect to spend more than USD3000/month just living and eating in Osaka if you have a family. Do not expect ANet to give you anything.
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utilities are about another Y10000/month.
Gas (because we aren`t using the heaters any more) was down to 15,000.
Electricity usually runs about 9,000 - 12,000 yen.
Bear in mind that Japanese mainline F/O`s are on about USD8-10,000, and Captains considerably more, and then the fact that almost all of them can afford only one house, one wife, and 1 or 2 kids, and you should be able to realise that the cost of living in (capital cities) Japan is VERY expensive.
The Japanese themselves understand this, but apparently the recruiting agencies do not!
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Kaptin M,
The numbers you gave are undoubtedly more accurate for a family. As I said, I live alone and am also on the road for about half the month. The Anet contract gives USD 2000/month for living and another 1000/month for commuting. That's it; no per diems or any other allowances. This is inadequate, but ANA is refusing to address the issue.
The numbers you gave are undoubtedly more accurate for a family. As I said, I live alone and am also on the road for about half the month. The Anet contract gives USD 2000/month for living and another 1000/month for commuting. That's it; no per diems or any other allowances. This is inadequate, but ANA is refusing to address the issue.
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Study finds 32% of marriages sexless
Japan Times
Nearly one-third of married Japanese couples have not had sex for at least a month, according to a study recently released, which urged people to overcome sexual shyness to prevent a dangerous decline in the population.
The study, conducted by the Japan Family Planning Association and the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry, found that 32% of married couples - 28% of men and 34% of women - had not had sexual intercourse for more than a month, the definition of "sexless" under the survey.
Furthermore, 19% of married couples had not had sex for a full year, according to the survey which interviewed 3,000 people aged 16 to 49.
The study says timidity was a major factor, citing the reluctance in Japan to talk openly about sex, despite a culture awash with outward displays of sex.
Forty-four percent of sexless couples - and also 31% of people with an active sex life - said they find sexual relationships "tiresome", the study found.
Japan has one of the lowest birth rates in the world, with many young people choosing to stay single indefinitely.
The poulation is projected to decline to 109 million in 2050, from 127 million in 2004, according to the United Nations. This would cause a crisis in which a smaller working population would end up supporting a mass of pensioners.
"Unless Japanese people get more active in having children, the birthrate is unlikely to rise," said Kunio Kitamura, director of the association that carried out the study.
With close to a 20% decline in the population, I imagine that house values will probably also drop, as there will be an oversupply.
Japan Times
Nearly one-third of married Japanese couples have not had sex for at least a month, according to a study recently released, which urged people to overcome sexual shyness to prevent a dangerous decline in the population.
The study, conducted by the Japan Family Planning Association and the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry, found that 32% of married couples - 28% of men and 34% of women - had not had sexual intercourse for more than a month, the definition of "sexless" under the survey.
Furthermore, 19% of married couples had not had sex for a full year, according to the survey which interviewed 3,000 people aged 16 to 49.
The study says timidity was a major factor, citing the reluctance in Japan to talk openly about sex, despite a culture awash with outward displays of sex.
Forty-four percent of sexless couples - and also 31% of people with an active sex life - said they find sexual relationships "tiresome", the study found.
Japan has one of the lowest birth rates in the world, with many young people choosing to stay single indefinitely.
The poulation is projected to decline to 109 million in 2050, from 127 million in 2004, according to the United Nations. This would cause a crisis in which a smaller working population would end up supporting a mass of pensioners.
"Unless Japanese people get more active in having children, the birthrate is unlikely to rise," said Kunio Kitamura, director of the association that carried out the study.
With close to a 20% decline in the population, I imagine that house values will probably also drop, as there will be an oversupply.
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Payback Day 8 June;
One month to go and I notice " Japan Today " reports the Japanese soccer federation is hinting at a venue change for the forthcoming North Korea versus Japan match to be held at Pyongyang on 8 June. A wag on their chat page suggests a platoon of Australian soldiers should be sent to Pyongyang to protect the Nipponese. Should be a very interesting match.
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One month to go and I notice " Japan Today " reports the Japanese soccer federation is hinting at a venue change for the forthcoming North Korea versus Japan match to be held at Pyongyang on 8 June. A wag on their chat page suggests a platoon of Australian soldiers should be sent to Pyongyang to protect the Nipponese. Should be a very interesting match.
Prince of Dzun.