Eva and bigbrother
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Eva and bigbrother
What do you think will happen to eva within the next couple of years? Do their bigbrother have any affect on their future plans and expansion with all the new laws being introduced?
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What are you talking about ? Who is EVA's big brother ? Do you mean Evergreen Shipping, the world's largest containerized shipping company ? or do you mean the government of Taiwan ? , perhaps the government of the PRC ? Further, what new laws ? Are you talking about cross straight links ? or perhaps Taiwan permitting private aircraft ?
Please clarify your question
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Please clarify your question
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Sorry guys, I ment the relationship between Taiwanese and Chinese goverments. China is proposing a new law that could "legally" deny Taiwans independence attemps in the eyes of other goverments. Just curious
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Okay, fair enough, that clarifies the question. The Anti-Secession Law that you speak of has yet to pass, but it appears to be an attempt by the mainland to justify an invasion at the world court/UN level in the event of an actual declaration of independence by Taiwan. The PRC has been engaged in this propaganda war for so long that most people actually believe that Taiwan is a part of PRC, a renegade province, if you will. It didn't help that Chiang Kai Shek's ( otherwise known as Cash My Check ) policy after the Nationalist loss in 48/49 was that they were still the legitiamte government of mainland China and that they had a policy of eventual reunification.
When Cash My Check and two million of his followers fled to Taiwan in 48/49 they slaughtered and/or brutally suppressed the native Taiwanese who objected. It is the native Taiwanese who don't see themselves as part of mainland China who are now close to the majority in government, along with those former Nationalists who have given up on the idea of reunification.
Another important point to remember is that the island of Formosa was controlled by Japan from 1895 to 1945. It was given to the Nationalists as part of the armistice at the end of WW II. So the PRC claim on Taiwan is tenuous and only based on control at varying periods prior to 1895.
Kind of a simple summary, I know, but the gist is correct. I make this post to help deflect some of the mainland's propaganda. They presently have over 400 missiles lined up on the Fujian Coast pointed at Taiwan. Any invasion of Taiwan would start with a missile barrage.
What will happen and who might get involved is anyone's guess. The pro-independence movement in Taiwan just suffered a little defeat in that they did not win a majority in the government and Chen Shui-Bian is stepping down as head of the Democratic Progressive Party. That will keep things at an impass for now and probably the next couple of years. Further, with Beijing being the host of the 2008 Summer Olympics is is unlikely they will do anything prior to then so as not to turn world opinion hostile towards them and ruin their Olympics.
I would be pretty comfortable going there for a 3 to 4 year contract.
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When Cash My Check and two million of his followers fled to Taiwan in 48/49 they slaughtered and/or brutally suppressed the native Taiwanese who objected. It is the native Taiwanese who don't see themselves as part of mainland China who are now close to the majority in government, along with those former Nationalists who have given up on the idea of reunification.
Another important point to remember is that the island of Formosa was controlled by Japan from 1895 to 1945. It was given to the Nationalists as part of the armistice at the end of WW II. So the PRC claim on Taiwan is tenuous and only based on control at varying periods prior to 1895.
Kind of a simple summary, I know, but the gist is correct. I make this post to help deflect some of the mainland's propaganda. They presently have over 400 missiles lined up on the Fujian Coast pointed at Taiwan. Any invasion of Taiwan would start with a missile barrage.
What will happen and who might get involved is anyone's guess. The pro-independence movement in Taiwan just suffered a little defeat in that they did not win a majority in the government and Chen Shui-Bian is stepping down as head of the Democratic Progressive Party. That will keep things at an impass for now and probably the next couple of years. Further, with Beijing being the host of the 2008 Summer Olympics is is unlikely they will do anything prior to then so as not to turn world opinion hostile towards them and ruin their Olympics.
I would be pretty comfortable going there for a 3 to 4 year contract.
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typhoonpilot:
Your analysis of the cross straits situation is correct except that you fail to acknowledge that Taiwan actually does belong to China (as does Tibet). In my opinion the sooner the Taiwanese accept this fact and link up with the Motherland the better off everyone will be. They can then return the National treasures stolen by that arch bandit Chiang Kai Shek and rest their conscience. The only good thing Chiang Kai Shek did for China was to organise the "Northern Expedition" (against the warlords )which then put down the stepping stone for Chairman Mao Tze Tung to start the revolution. It's a pity Mao Tze Tung did not grab Chiang before he fled to Taiwan because if he had then today's problems would not be with us. Tai Wan shu yu Zhong Guo.
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Your analysis of the cross straits situation is correct except that you fail to acknowledge that Taiwan actually does belong to China (as does Tibet). In my opinion the sooner the Taiwanese accept this fact and link up with the Motherland the better off everyone will be. They can then return the National treasures stolen by that arch bandit Chiang Kai Shek and rest their conscience. The only good thing Chiang Kai Shek did for China was to organise the "Northern Expedition" (against the warlords )which then put down the stepping stone for Chairman Mao Tze Tung to start the revolution. It's a pity Mao Tze Tung did not grab Chiang before he fled to Taiwan because if he had then today's problems would not be with us. Tai Wan shu yu Zhong Guo.
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Your analysis of the cross straits situation is correct except that you fail to acknowledge that Taiwan actually does belong to China (as does Tibet).
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They can then return the National treasures stolen by that arch bandit Chiang Kai Shek and rest their conscience.
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P.S. Your use of pinyin gives away your educational background steeped in PRC propaganda
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Your assessment on the x-strait issue is forthright and accurate typhoonpilot. Its time people got to know the truth about the "butchers of Beijing." Unfortunately quite a few ex-airforce types in the ROC are under the delusion that the sun rises out of China's a..e every morning. These are the guys with a second home in the US or Shanghai and are smarting from the current nationalist upswing. Still, dangerous times or a big bluff from big brother?? I believe its the latter.
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typhoonpilot:
Well well well what a tirade of nonsence heaped upon someone who just happens to have a touch of patriotism. Your reference to PRC propaganda and its effect on my thinking is as laughable as your historical understanding of China's claim to T'ai-wan and Xizang. According to your reasoning Argentina has no right to claim las islas Malvinas and Chin Peng because he devoted his life to driving the Japanese and British out of Malaya was not a patriot.
As far as the stolen treasures are concerned your mention of the Cultural Revolution is the same old rant put up by those bourgeois who don't or don't want to understand. The treasures belong to China and the day is not far off when the "qi huo ke ju" will be back where they rightfully belong.
Hong Xing
P.S. By the way it is not "impass" it is "impasse" and just for you : qi huo ke ju means "precious commodity worth cherishing".
Well well well what a tirade of nonsence heaped upon someone who just happens to have a touch of patriotism. Your reference to PRC propaganda and its effect on my thinking is as laughable as your historical understanding of China's claim to T'ai-wan and Xizang. According to your reasoning Argentina has no right to claim las islas Malvinas and Chin Peng because he devoted his life to driving the Japanese and British out of Malaya was not a patriot.
As far as the stolen treasures are concerned your mention of the Cultural Revolution is the same old rant put up by those bourgeois who don't or don't want to understand. The treasures belong to China and the day is not far off when the "qi huo ke ju" will be back where they rightfully belong.
Hong Xing
P.S. By the way it is not "impass" it is "impasse" and just for you : qi huo ke ju means "precious commodity worth cherishing".
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etops777:
I never cease to be amazed that in this modern world of informatin availability there are still people who think like you.
There is a special Chinese way of describing your problem and it goes : Gu Zu Bu Qian which means "non-advancement due to self imposed restraint". (May I suggest you go back and read that once more).
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I never cease to be amazed that in this modern world of informatin availability there are still people who think like you.
There is a special Chinese way of describing your problem and it goes : Gu Zu Bu Qian which means "non-advancement due to self imposed restraint". (May I suggest you go back and read that once more).
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Sorry the thread got a little off track Snowyman. I was just trying to help you understand the issues. It's actually nice how Hong Xing came in and helped to demonstrate the mindless arguments of the PRC on the issues. You cand see right here on Pprune a mini cross straits exchange That's about how it goes between the two political bodies as well. They will never agree with one another. While all this has been happening right here on Pprune, the USA has changed policy and will now have active duty military officers stationed at the quasi embassy in Taipei. That is actually a nice thing to see from the standpoint that it will give the PRC further pause in initiating any aggression across the straights.
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P.S. Here is one for you HX, Yi Zhi Ban Jie
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P.S. Here is one for you HX, Yi Zhi Ban Jie
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typhoonpilot:
Surely you don't think that the presence of a few over medalled "military officers" (your words) from the USA being positioned in Taipei is going to effect the strategic planning of the Motherland. Brothers and uncles of those same "military officers" were humiliated in Korea and Vietnam to say nothing of their present dilemma in the Middle East so I doubt if they will have the stomach for more of the same. The issue will be settled after much yizhang yichi 一张一弛 (tension alternating with relaxation) but the outcome is obvious.
In today's South China Morning Post the headlines are: quote
" The United States is not required to defend Taiwan if Beijing launches a war against the island " unquote, spoken by USA Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. He then said quote" There was only one China and that Taiwan was part of it. " unquote. What have you got to say about this??
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P.S. Regarding your pinyin statement yi zhi ban jie 一知半解 I assume you are referring to yourself. It's big of you to admit "you have only a scanty knowledge of world affairs" which is what you have said.
Surely you don't think that the presence of a few over medalled "military officers" (your words) from the USA being positioned in Taipei is going to effect the strategic planning of the Motherland. Brothers and uncles of those same "military officers" were humiliated in Korea and Vietnam to say nothing of their present dilemma in the Middle East so I doubt if they will have the stomach for more of the same. The issue will be settled after much yizhang yichi 一张一弛 (tension alternating with relaxation) but the outcome is obvious.
In today's South China Morning Post the headlines are: quote
" The United States is not required to defend Taiwan if Beijing launches a war against the island " unquote, spoken by USA Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. He then said quote" There was only one China and that Taiwan was part of it. " unquote. What have you got to say about this??
Hong Xing
P.S. Regarding your pinyin statement yi zhi ban jie 一知半解 I assume you are referring to yourself. It's big of you to admit "you have only a scanty knowledge of world affairs" which is what you have said.
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Yes, and BTW, Argentina doesn't have a legitimate claim to the Malvina's. And Chin Peng became nothing more than a pathetic bandit when he continued to hide in the jungles post '57 rather than take his chances in an independent Malaysia...
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Freehills:
Las islas Malvinas
Spain was conned into ceding the Malvinas to Britain in 1806. When Argentina evolved from Spain they (Argentina) claimed the islands back but Britain refused. Argentina continues to press its claim to sovereignty but the British government rejects change in the status quo.
Malaya
The British government saw fit to award Chin Peng two campaign medals and an Order of the British Empire (OBE) for his leadership of the Malayan Peoples anti-Japanese army in their fight against the Japanese occupiers. When he continued to oppose the re-occupation of Malaya by the British after the war they (the British) branded him a terrorist. Imperialist thinking had him a hero one day and a villain the next !!! However it was Malaya's leader Tunku Abdul Rahman the doyen of Merdeka who said that Chin Peng was responsible for advancing independence by three years. That alone makes him a patriot and certainly not a terrorist bandit.
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Las islas Malvinas
Spain was conned into ceding the Malvinas to Britain in 1806. When Argentina evolved from Spain they (Argentina) claimed the islands back but Britain refused. Argentina continues to press its claim to sovereignty but the British government rejects change in the status quo.
Malaya
The British government saw fit to award Chin Peng two campaign medals and an Order of the British Empire (OBE) for his leadership of the Malayan Peoples anti-Japanese army in their fight against the Japanese occupiers. When he continued to oppose the re-occupation of Malaya by the British after the war they (the British) branded him a terrorist. Imperialist thinking had him a hero one day and a villain the next !!! However it was Malaya's leader Tunku Abdul Rahman the doyen of Merdeka who said that Chin Peng was responsible for advancing independence by three years. That alone makes him a patriot and certainly not a terrorist bandit.
Hong Xing