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The Expats are only hired by contracting agencies, no expat is hired directly by HVN!
If you would be hired directly guess what you would earn...
They like us here "very" much if you belive it or not. The working conditions are deteriorating in a way that it is hard to believe. Don't expect that what the agencies tell you is true or that you can trust them.
If you would be hired directly guess what you would earn...
They like us here "very" much if you belive it or not. The working conditions are deteriorating in a way that it is hard to believe. Don't expect that what the agencies tell you is true or that you can trust them.
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Thanks for the infos HVN-Driver. Any information or confirmation for the Captain salary of 9000 USD with the agencies like Parc, Rishworth or Euro Pacific?
I suppose the payment is offshore?
thanks.
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I suppose the payment is offshore?
thanks.
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Vietnamese Nationals make far less than Expats. I believe it is the order of $1,000-$2000 USD per month. But that is at least ten times the national average salary. They do quite well on that and many supplement that with a little import/ export operation.
Nationals are hired out of the Airforce or through a cadet program. Cadets have to pay big money and are not permitted to leave the country to work elsewhere.
For Expats, pay is approx the same for A320, B767 Capt at $9,000/mo and F/O at appox $6,000/mo. There are some minor differences according to which contract you are with.
Right now A320 pilots have the power to negotiate a better deal due to the high demand. The last few managed to get a little more monthly salary I was told. They also were fully reimbursed for their initial travel expenses to the nearest Vietnam Airlines departure point. Something that many others never did.
B777 Captains make a little more than the others. $12,000 ?
There are currently no Expat B777 F/O’s. I don’t expect you will see any for a while, but they are talking about upgrades.
Payment is offshore or anywhere you want it. There is tax in Vietnam but all contracts are written so that the tax is covered by Vietnam airlines.
Nationals are hired out of the Airforce or through a cadet program. Cadets have to pay big money and are not permitted to leave the country to work elsewhere.
For Expats, pay is approx the same for A320, B767 Capt at $9,000/mo and F/O at appox $6,000/mo. There are some minor differences according to which contract you are with.
Right now A320 pilots have the power to negotiate a better deal due to the high demand. The last few managed to get a little more monthly salary I was told. They also were fully reimbursed for their initial travel expenses to the nearest Vietnam Airlines departure point. Something that many others never did.
B777 Captains make a little more than the others. $12,000 ?
There are currently no Expat B777 F/O’s. I don’t expect you will see any for a while, but they are talking about upgrades.
Payment is offshore or anywhere you want it. There is tax in Vietnam but all contracts are written so that the tax is covered by Vietnam airlines.
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The requirement for the Seychelles air law exam is only for the A320 drivers, as all other aircraft including the A321's are VN registered. So you need a Seychelles license if you fly the A320's.
Take it this way the agencies all try to keep their costs down and that's what they could do for the last months or years. I am sure this will change in the future. As far as I know the beautiful islands of the Seychelles are a destination that's hard to reach and so it is very expensive to get there. I have heared that you have to spent about US$ 1000 to US$ 2000 for this event.
Regarding the salaries for the different fleets I can confirm the numbers stated by "Lost in Saigon". It seems that the folks on the Airbus and on the B777 get slightly more than on the B767.
Regarding the possible upgrades from B767 to B777 I don't belive this and I never did!
Take it this way, the story was brought up to keep us here. It's like the carrot you put infront of the nose of a donky to keep it runing. That's what they are looking for. The B777 is the biggest ship and this will be flown by local in first place. Take a look at the ads looking for B777 captains, so you see they are looking for rated chaps and are not realy interested in upgrading one of the expats.
For those who are interested in joining and coming from a place far off the HVN route network be aware that the travel problem, meaining being off loaded from a flight you have a "confirmed" ticket, occured again very recently and not only once.
Further to this one pilot was stuck in Paris getting back to Vietnam for a couple of days. As far as I know he never got reimbursed for the expenses he spent for hotac in Paris.
Take it this way the agencies all try to keep their costs down and that's what they could do for the last months or years. I am sure this will change in the future. As far as I know the beautiful islands of the Seychelles are a destination that's hard to reach and so it is very expensive to get there. I have heared that you have to spent about US$ 1000 to US$ 2000 for this event.
Regarding the salaries for the different fleets I can confirm the numbers stated by "Lost in Saigon". It seems that the folks on the Airbus and on the B777 get slightly more than on the B767.
Regarding the possible upgrades from B767 to B777 I don't belive this and I never did!
Take it this way, the story was brought up to keep us here. It's like the carrot you put infront of the nose of a donky to keep it runing. That's what they are looking for. The B777 is the biggest ship and this will be flown by local in first place. Take a look at the ads looking for B777 captains, so you see they are looking for rated chaps and are not realy interested in upgrading one of the expats.
For those who are interested in joining and coming from a place far off the HVN route network be aware that the travel problem, meaining being off loaded from a flight you have a "confirmed" ticket, occured again very recently and not only once.
Further to this one pilot was stuck in Paris getting back to Vietnam for a couple of days. As far as I know he never got reimbursed for the expenses he spent for hotac in Paris.
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This thread is back, though I am on the verge of closing it down based upon the amount of useless abusive posts coming in recently.
However the basic premise of the thread is sound, and there are enough responsible posts to make it worthwhile. I will now cull off the useless posts, leave only those worthwhile and pertinent to the debate, and if you have a complaint that one of your oh-so witty put-downs has been lost in the internet ether then a/ go find the smallest denomination coin in your local currency b/ leave your place of abode c/ find the nearest public telephone, and d/ use said coin to phone someone who gives a
because I am fed up with people abusing this resource.
Please see the sticky at the top of the forum for further elucidation.
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However the basic premise of the thread is sound, and there are enough responsible posts to make it worthwhile. I will now cull off the useless posts, leave only those worthwhile and pertinent to the debate, and if you have a complaint that one of your oh-so witty put-downs has been lost in the internet ether then a/ go find the smallest denomination coin in your local currency b/ leave your place of abode c/ find the nearest public telephone, and d/ use said coin to phone someone who gives a
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I am 100% with Sick Sqid It is not the place to mention personnal name on this site and the guy who did it would not be happy if I will mention his name and that his contract was not renewed in 1998 at the request of the Vietnamese
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There is 2 very nice golf in Hochiminh City but it is about $ 100 US the week end and $ 50.00 on week days
I agree with HVN Driver. VN management say they will check some guys on the 777 but it is so expensive that I do not believe that those guys will pay $ 41000 US to get the check
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There is 2 very nice golf in Hochiminh City but it is about $ 100 US the week end and $ 50.00 on week days
I agree with HVN Driver. VN management say they will check some guys on the 777 but it is so expensive that I do not believe that those guys will pay $ 41000 US to get the check
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Yep it's not a good idea of mentioning names here!
Regarding the upgrade take it this way, maybe they figured out initially that they need more pilots, then they put out the official option of upgrades for expats without stating any details. This was followed by a high number of "application letters" of expats. Just have a look at the list that was available for everyone to check.
Surely this option for expats upset a lot of the locals. Remember that the B777 is the top ship and that we are sitting "on their seats" on this ship if we would get there, for the FO to Captain upgrade this would be the same. So I assume that the local pilots got the party involved. Keep in mind that a lot of the local pilots have very close ties to government circles. A lot of personal relations.
Then they "calculated" how much the individual pilot would have to pay for his type rating on a B777 or the A320. This led to the figure LindbergB767 mentioned in his last post.
Now think about this:
Maybe they just put the "payment" so high that none of the pilots on the list would be interested anymore. So "their problem" was solved and they could pull out of this by keeping their face, as none of the expats maybe interested anymore, due to the financial loss for them if they would take this option.
To keep it short, I personally think that they have never been really interested in this at all but the management of a certain level had to find a way to get what they want and/or to keep their faces. Finally this should keep the job here interesting to us as they started loosing pilots.
Regarding the upgrade take it this way, maybe they figured out initially that they need more pilots, then they put out the official option of upgrades for expats without stating any details. This was followed by a high number of "application letters" of expats. Just have a look at the list that was available for everyone to check.
Surely this option for expats upset a lot of the locals. Remember that the B777 is the top ship and that we are sitting "on their seats" on this ship if we would get there, for the FO to Captain upgrade this would be the same. So I assume that the local pilots got the party involved. Keep in mind that a lot of the local pilots have very close ties to government circles. A lot of personal relations.
Then they "calculated" how much the individual pilot would have to pay for his type rating on a B777 or the A320. This led to the figure LindbergB767 mentioned in his last post.
Now think about this:
Maybe they just put the "payment" so high that none of the pilots on the list would be interested anymore. So "their problem" was solved and they could pull out of this by keeping their face, as none of the expats maybe interested anymore, due to the financial loss for them if they would take this option.
To keep it short, I personally think that they have never been really interested in this at all but the management of a certain level had to find a way to get what they want and/or to keep their faces. Finally this should keep the job here interesting to us as they started loosing pilots.
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How is life in Saigon?
hey folks~
i am cosidering a contract on the A320 leftseat with VAC.
Would appriciate some info on the living conditions in Ho Chi Min city.
Are fully furnished Apartments available?
Also some info about the selection process,and working conditons for Expats on contract.
Are the A320 and A321 fleets seperate,or you get to fly both?
Thanks in advance
i am cosidering a contract on the A320 leftseat with VAC.
Would appriciate some info on the living conditions in Ho Chi Min city.
Are fully furnished Apartments available?
Also some info about the selection process,and working conditons for Expats on contract.
Are the A320 and A321 fleets seperate,or you get to fly both?
Thanks in advance
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Well to answer your question you have the to fly both the A321 and the A320.
As the A320's are registered in the Seychelles you will have to sit the Seychelles air law exam, which is usually held in the Seychelles. Until recently you have been required to pay for your trip to the Seychelles your self.
The selection process, if you like to call it so, is quite simple. You will do two simulator sessions which will serve as check for the Vietnamese and Seychelles license. That's all.
Regarding the housing options here in Saigon or as it is called officially today Ho Chi Minh City, there are fully furnished apartments available, but be aware that you will have to pay an expat-rent for this type of accommodation. You will have to look at about US$ 1000 per month fully furnished and service. The last one means that you will have someone who cleans your apartment on a regular basis and that someone takes care of you laundry.
As you see you will probably use nearly all of the so called housing or accommodation allowance for your accommodation here in Saigon.
The rest of the live here, well it depends on if you like it or not. Rostering used to be tight and the travel problem is still not solved, regardless what any contracting agency will probably tell you. It's an issue presently and if you are living not in Australia or even not in Europe it is a bigger problem for you than for the folks from this areas.
Well expect a lot of things you are probably not used to regarding the operation itself.
As the A320's are registered in the Seychelles you will have to sit the Seychelles air law exam, which is usually held in the Seychelles. Until recently you have been required to pay for your trip to the Seychelles your self.
The selection process, if you like to call it so, is quite simple. You will do two simulator sessions which will serve as check for the Vietnamese and Seychelles license. That's all.
Regarding the housing options here in Saigon or as it is called officially today Ho Chi Minh City, there are fully furnished apartments available, but be aware that you will have to pay an expat-rent for this type of accommodation. You will have to look at about US$ 1000 per month fully furnished and service. The last one means that you will have someone who cleans your apartment on a regular basis and that someone takes care of you laundry.
As you see you will probably use nearly all of the so called housing or accommodation allowance for your accommodation here in Saigon.
The rest of the live here, well it depends on if you like it or not. Rostering used to be tight and the travel problem is still not solved, regardless what any contracting agency will probably tell you. It's an issue presently and if you are living not in Australia or even not in Europe it is a bigger problem for you than for the folks from this areas.
Well expect a lot of things you are probably not used to regarding the operation itself.
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alatnariver,
What about rumors about the "reduced" flight-hours requirements for the A320/321 LHS position? I don't have enough for the moment to be considered by VAC as a direct entry capt but I don't particulary want to change my privileges for the f/o...
I guess the job might be interesting for those being unemployed!
cheers
What about rumors about the "reduced" flight-hours requirements for the A320/321 LHS position? I don't have enough for the moment to be considered by VAC as a direct entry capt but I don't particulary want to change my privileges for the f/o...
I guess the job might be interesting for those being unemployed!
cheers
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Below you find the required hours. I don't know if the company has reduced these values recently or if they are considering in doing so. These are the values they have been looking for during the last months and years, and these values are the same as stated presently by the different agencies:
- 1000 P1 A320
- 3000 P1
- 6000 TT
- last sim check within last 6 months
- last flight on type within last 5 months
Maybe they will skip the requirement of the time between the last flight on type and your sim check for Vietnam Airlines.
But who knows.
If you are unemployed and can't find a job in your part of the world or if you are considering enjoying the Asian lifestyle just give it a try.
- 1000 P1 A320
- 3000 P1
- 6000 TT
- last sim check within last 6 months
- last flight on type within last 5 months
Maybe they will skip the requirement of the time between the last flight on type and your sim check for Vietnam Airlines.
But who knows.
If you are unemployed and can't find a job in your part of the world or if you are considering enjoying the Asian lifestyle just give it a try.
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Vietnam ATP?
Does Vietnam Airlines take FAA ATP or only ICAO ATPL's? Currently 4800 TT, 2000 Jet. Is it worth applying with this time or first converting to ICAO ATPL? Also love the Asian countries, can't wait to get back there and taste the delights.
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Hi there,
I am currently base in Malaysia as Pic on a F900. TT 6200 hrs, Jet command time 1800, A320 time 1450 hrs as P2... Worth applying as P1, or hopeless?
Cheers
I am currently base in Malaysia as Pic on a F900. TT 6200 hrs, Jet command time 1800, A320 time 1450 hrs as P2... Worth applying as P1, or hopeless?
Cheers