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Swish man,
There are lots of places in the world I wouldn't rather be.
But I hardly ever felt the need to bash the entire country on a public forum.
So what exactly is your motivation?
But I hardly ever felt the need to bash the entire country on a public forum.
So what exactly is your motivation?
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I suggest to you to send your CV to EuroPacific because they are providing the pilots for VN
VN DO NOT Hired pilots directly
You may do not have the requirements but they are looking for 17 Captains and 17 FOs on A320
D ont give up and good luck
I suggest to you to send your CV to EuroPacific because they are providing the pilots for VN
VN DO NOT Hired pilots directly
You may do not have the requirements but they are looking for 17 Captains and 17 FOs on A320
D ont give up and good luck
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Those who do not wish to live in Vietnam could look at Tiger in Singapore.
Offering Capts $180,000 Sing a year based on sector pay and $120,000 for F/O's. No other allowances but everything does work in Singapore!!
Offering Capts $180,000 Sing a year based on sector pay and $120,000 for F/O's. No other allowances but everything does work in Singapore!!
I have lived here for a few years now, Saigon is as good as anywhere in asia and better than most. I eat whatever I feel, drink the water, go wherever I want. I have been sick once and that was from an aircraft meal
VN has just initiated an internal upgrade for foreigners as well as direct entry for both the A320 and the B777, the B767 seems to be on its way out at the moment but that has happened before and it has bounced back.
Parc, Richworths and Euro Pac all supply pilots to VN, Parc seems to be the pick of the bunch.
If you commute it is a very cheap place to live and save. If you bring your family and live in the western area and have kids at an international school the costs are about the same as anywhere else. Either is a viable option.
VN has just initiated an internal upgrade for foreigners as well as direct entry for both the A320 and the B777, the B767 seems to be on its way out at the moment but that has happened before and it has bounced back.
Parc, Richworths and Euro Pac all supply pilots to VN, Parc seems to be the pick of the bunch.
If you commute it is a very cheap place to live and save. If you bring your family and live in the western area and have kids at an international school the costs are about the same as anywhere else. Either is a viable option.
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Guys,
Everybody has the right to get info. Some people, mainly d ones from Oz, like it dere for the commuting arrangements.
I hated it.
But do not say I am wrong. If HVN was a honey-pot dey would not be paying top $$! Only way to get decent pilots is to PAY TOP DOLLAR!
I leave it to U to draw yr conclusions...
Everybody has the right to get info. Some people, mainly d ones from Oz, like it dere for the commuting arrangements.
I hated it.
But do not say I am wrong. If HVN was a honey-pot dey would not be paying top $$! Only way to get decent pilots is to PAY TOP DOLLAR!
I leave it to U to draw yr conclusions...
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Just got a call from Euro Pacific for the First Officer position with Vietnam Airlines. They say the B767 is being phased out soon with conversion for the B767 crew to 777. Am biting my lip and starring at myself in the mirror google eyed !
Have a wife and a 4 month old baby. Got prospects of command in the next 12 months with my current outfit on B737. The money is slightly better with Vietnam but then 
Ppruners don't make things any easier do you......To those in the know what are the chances of getting command for an expat and roughly how long the 767 have been rumoured to be on their way ? Just noticed a huge demand for B767 crew of late and would hate to end up choosing the wrong outfit.
Have a wife and a 4 month old baby. Got prospects of command in the next 12 months with my current outfit on B737. The money is slightly better with Vietnam but then Ppruners don't make things any easier do you......To those in the know what are the chances of getting command for an expat and roughly how long the 767 have been rumoured to be on their way ? Just noticed a huge demand for B767 crew of late and would hate to end up choosing the wrong outfit.
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McGreaser ,
From what your saying I would stay put, if you get Command in 12 months. Then burn the candle at boths ends to get those damm Command hours. Swapping ships wont get you a command earlier will it?
Sheep
From what your saying I would stay put, if you get Command in 12 months. Then burn the candle at boths ends to get those damm Command hours. Swapping ships wont get you a command earlier will it?
Sheep
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I think this string has diverted from its original purpose,anyhow
why are Vietnam Airlines and other asian airlines unable to recruit local pilots??
why are Vietnam Airlines and other asian airlines unable to recruit local pilots??
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Parc Aviation is now looking for B767 FO’s for contract with Vietnam Airlines.
Pay is $6,000 USD / month with no other allowances paid out.
(accommodation, meal per diems, etc, are not paid) Layover hotels and transportation are paid for.
Work 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Fly confirmed anywhere on Vietnam Airlines each time off. eg. Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Sydney, Melbourne, etc. Rumour is next year London and/or Los Angeles/San Francisco will be added.
Generally they want you have 500 hours FO time on the 767 and to be current within the last 6 months.
They ask for the last 3 pages of your logbook and a copy of your last PPC to verify currency.
They may reduce those requirements if they can’t find anyone so it may be worth applying even if you are not current.
Pay is $6,000 USD / month with no other allowances paid out.
(accommodation, meal per diems, etc, are not paid) Layover hotels and transportation are paid for.
Work 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Fly confirmed anywhere on Vietnam Airlines each time off. eg. Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Sydney, Melbourne, etc. Rumour is next year London and/or Los Angeles/San Francisco will be added.
Generally they want you have 500 hours FO time on the 767 and to be current within the last 6 months.
They ask for the last 3 pages of your logbook and a copy of your last PPC to verify currency.
They may reduce those requirements if they can’t find anyone so it may be worth applying even if you are not current.
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For all of you interested in a position with HVN.
Well this airline is in most areas far away from being an airline you probably know. The standards you will find here are not what they should be or as some people say below standard.
You will have to deal with a lot of problems. The maintenance is in parts very bad and may only be called repair, if at all. The Maintenance is carried out by two separate divisions within the company, one serves the Boeing fleet and the other the products assembled in Europe's south. The one for the Toulouse products either with props or with the sidestick is really bad and there are a lot of problems. It should be better on the Boeing fleet.
The flying standards are very different. You will find some good local guys but you will experience that the vast majority of the local pilots are below average airline standard performance. That's what you will have to deal with. Due to the fact that most of the pilots on the B767 fleet are expats it is indeed better there but it is an issue for the ATR and the Airbus fleet.
Regarding the story about possible upgrades, well don't expect that it will happen to you. As the B767 will be phased out over the next three to four years - which is what I expect - you will lose your job here. The B777 will be a mostly local pilot operated fleet. The B777 is the shining horse of the company and all of the important people got promoted onto this horse and this will last until they wont find any local pilot who would fly the B777.
The same applies to the proposed upgrades on the Airbus fleet for current FO. There was a letter issued in the past days that this option is canceled. So you see how far you can trust the people over here.
An other big issue in the last weeks was that despite the fact that according to the contract each pilot is entitled for a confirmed seat and ticket for his two weeks off boarding was denied and the pilots had to delay their home travel. Flights are full and even with a ticket you will get kicked off a flight. Not only one may be twice or three times in a row. That's especially nice if you have an arrangement for your travel from Paris or any other place to your domicile. Don't expect to get reimbursed for that.
It is hard to predict if an individual would like living (and working) in Saigon, or like it is officially called Ho Chi Minh City. It is truly an Asian city but you must keep in mind that this is a big industrial city of a developing country. You have to expect smog, dirt, noise and all the other disadvantages. The beaches are far away, too far to get their for your single day off while you are here. There is not much to do than eating, drinking, an occasional visit to the gym or some form of "fun". That's it.
I know people see things different, so this is just my humble own opinion and experience after being here for about a year. Be careful if you plan to join HVN. If you have a good jib elsewhere stick with it. If you have a family stay with them if you are really desperate for job, than you should think about it.
An to a ad one thing to the racism discussion, as an expat you have to expect to get all **** trips that are available. All, really all.
Well this airline is in most areas far away from being an airline you probably know. The standards you will find here are not what they should be or as some people say below standard.
You will have to deal with a lot of problems. The maintenance is in parts very bad and may only be called repair, if at all. The Maintenance is carried out by two separate divisions within the company, one serves the Boeing fleet and the other the products assembled in Europe's south. The one for the Toulouse products either with props or with the sidestick is really bad and there are a lot of problems. It should be better on the Boeing fleet.
The flying standards are very different. You will find some good local guys but you will experience that the vast majority of the local pilots are below average airline standard performance. That's what you will have to deal with. Due to the fact that most of the pilots on the B767 fleet are expats it is indeed better there but it is an issue for the ATR and the Airbus fleet.
Regarding the story about possible upgrades, well don't expect that it will happen to you. As the B767 will be phased out over the next three to four years - which is what I expect - you will lose your job here. The B777 will be a mostly local pilot operated fleet. The B777 is the shining horse of the company and all of the important people got promoted onto this horse and this will last until they wont find any local pilot who would fly the B777.
The same applies to the proposed upgrades on the Airbus fleet for current FO. There was a letter issued in the past days that this option is canceled. So you see how far you can trust the people over here.
An other big issue in the last weeks was that despite the fact that according to the contract each pilot is entitled for a confirmed seat and ticket for his two weeks off boarding was denied and the pilots had to delay their home travel. Flights are full and even with a ticket you will get kicked off a flight. Not only one may be twice or three times in a row. That's especially nice if you have an arrangement for your travel from Paris or any other place to your domicile. Don't expect to get reimbursed for that.
It is hard to predict if an individual would like living (and working) in Saigon, or like it is officially called Ho Chi Minh City. It is truly an Asian city but you must keep in mind that this is a big industrial city of a developing country. You have to expect smog, dirt, noise and all the other disadvantages. The beaches are far away, too far to get their for your single day off while you are here. There is not much to do than eating, drinking, an occasional visit to the gym or some form of "fun". That's it.
I know people see things different, so this is just my humble own opinion and experience after being here for about a year. Be careful if you plan to join HVN. If you have a good jib elsewhere stick with it. If you have a family stay with them if you are really desperate for job, than you should think about it.
An to a ad one thing to the racism discussion, as an expat you have to expect to get all **** trips that are available. All, really all.
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Good post, I was interested but now I am not.
The bit about being bumped off your firm seat home was the clincher.
I bet you are never bumped off your return flight though!
Good post, I was interested but now I am not.
The bit about being bumped off your firm seat home was the clincher.
I bet you are never bumped off your return flight though!
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... right faheel, I never experienced this and I never heared of this.
And for those in the RHS looking for a LHS, don't believe the agencies, it wont happen!
For this issue put just your self in the position of a local FO, would you accept that an expat with a contract agency would get a comand upgrade and you would have to wait, even if you have the hours? I would feel the same as they do and they are right!
And for those in the RHS looking for a LHS, don't believe the agencies, it wont happen!
For this issue put just your self in the position of a local FO, would you accept that an expat with a contract agency would get a comand upgrade and you would have to wait, even if you have the hours? I would feel the same as they do and they are right!
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Congratulations on the good posts!
It´s all about what a PPRUNE must be!
Honest, balanced and to the point on what pilots considering an assignement need to know.
Keep the good job!
It´s all about what a PPRUNE must be!
Honest, balanced and to the point on what pilots considering an assignement need to know.
Keep the good job!
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Good Fellas
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Lost in Saigon,
Could you please say if the salaries of 9000 USD for PIC and 6000 USD for FO are for crews employed by contractors like Parc or Rishworth ( Expats ), or for people directly employed by VN ?
Regards.
FBW390
Could you please say if the salaries of 9000 USD for PIC and 6000 USD for FO are for crews employed by contractors like Parc or Rishworth ( Expats ), or for people directly employed by VN ?
Regards.
FBW390