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Hainan Acts!
Interviews in PEK followed by SIM in CTU (Chengdu) next week. 16-20 candidates initially.
Visit to Devils Island: After the interview the company are offering a trip to Hainan. Bribery and corruption will get you everywhere!
Remember when Indira Ghandi offered a free radio and a coke for any male who offered himself for a vasectomy?(1976) Well when the batteries went flat and the coke was long gone... They couldn't undo the nip and tuck!
So anyone deciding to come here have to make sure that they want it for the long term... The company will impress you with their modern buildings, new aircraft and occasional generosity but at the end of the day you still living in a completely different culture. Food that is 99% Chinese (great for some of us), English speakers: less than 1% and no English speaking schools.
But if you like golf, tennis, basketball, cycling, table tennis, hanging out in bars and dicos.... Well Haikou is the place.
Single guys will have no problems... Married guys have to think carefully (particularly with school aged kids) Wives can work as English teachers(or french/German/spanish teachers)
More info: Hainan will (at time of press release) commence a code-sharing flight with Malev to Budapest in August.
BKK currently is a sunday only flight but should increase to 3 times per week next month.
Will be in Stockholm on sunday to lease/buy another 737 from SAS. Anybody for a Glug or Semla?
Visit to Devils Island: After the interview the company are offering a trip to Hainan. Bribery and corruption will get you everywhere!Remember when Indira Ghandi offered a free radio and a coke for any male who offered himself for a vasectomy?(1976) Well when the batteries went flat and the coke was long gone... They couldn't undo the nip and tuck!
So anyone deciding to come here have to make sure that they want it for the long term... The company will impress you with their modern buildings, new aircraft and occasional generosity but at the end of the day you still living in a completely different culture. Food that is 99% Chinese (great for some of us), English speakers: less than 1% and no English speaking schools.
But if you like golf, tennis, basketball, cycling, table tennis, hanging out in bars and dicos.... Well Haikou is the place.
Single guys will have no problems... Married guys have to think carefully (particularly with school aged kids) Wives can work as English teachers(or french/German/spanish teachers)
More info: Hainan will (at time of press release) commence a code-sharing flight with Malev to Budapest in August.
BKK currently is a sunday only flight but should increase to 3 times per week next month.
Will be in Stockholm on sunday to lease/buy another 737 from SAS. Anybody for a Glug or Semla?
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Hainan B777?
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SAS is the training center for KA!
News: Hainan were supposed to buy/lease 3 ex SQ 747s this year- Due to Air China not wanting a few international routes like J'burg and the extra Dubai.
Now instead they will be Cargo versions for Yangtse River express (Those ugly green machines sitting in Pudong)
There's been a recent B777 evaluation and the Chairman has given the thumbs up! Press release soon.
Only thing is... HU don't have enough guys who are approved for intl ops (No can pass Ingris exam)
Maybe another recruitment drive?
I no feed you the raw prawn!
SAS is the training center for KA!
News: Hainan were supposed to buy/lease 3 ex SQ 747s this year- Due to Air China not wanting a few international routes like J'burg and the extra Dubai.
Now instead they will be Cargo versions for Yangtse River express (Those ugly green machines sitting in Pudong)
There's been a recent B777 evaluation and the Chairman has given the thumbs up! Press release soon.
Only thing is... HU don't have enough guys who are approved for intl ops (No can pass Ingris exam)
Maybe another recruitment drive?
I no feed you the raw prawn!
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Anyone knows their contact address or email for recruitment?I have about 900 total flight time in piston-engine,do I stand any chance?If not there which company in Asia would consider hiring me?
Any advice appreciated.
Any advice appreciated.
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You might try Singapore Airlines, chris, or Cathay.
I think some of you guys should realise that unless you have some jet time (meaning several hundred hours at least, and total time >1,500 hrs), that it's probably far easier to pick up a job in your own country than it is overseas.
That may change over the next 12-18 months, imo, as the airlines' requirements soak up the current excess.
Things are starting to move now, and will hopefully continue to gather pace as the Baby Boomer generation slide off the top end of the scale.
I think some of you guys should realise that unless you have some jet time (meaning several hundred hours at least, and total time >1,500 hrs), that it's probably far easier to pick up a job in your own country than it is overseas.
That may change over the next 12-18 months, imo, as the airlines' requirements soak up the current excess.
Things are starting to move now, and will hopefully continue to gather pace as the Baby Boomer generation slide off the top end of the scale.
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LP, You seem hellbent on selling the job to people. I would hate to buy a used car from you. You not on the take are yu?
I think your point about the codeshare with Malev will attract several from that area. What I hear is that many applications sent but precious few 'up to scratch'.
Many moons ago a certain startup airline in Asia had no success with its first 20 or so candidates. The pay was ratcheted up to attract the right stuff, which did the trick.
One candidate turned up with what appeared to be suede shoes and a casual floral shirt for the interview. The shoes were not suede; they had not been polished for forty days and forty nights. One of the questions at his interview was; "What do you know about *****?".
The answer. "Lots... my grandmother was a comfort woman in the second world war" !! Wrong answer......
Next please.
I think your point about the codeshare with Malev will attract several from that area. What I hear is that many applications sent but precious few 'up to scratch'.
Many moons ago a certain startup airline in Asia had no success with its first 20 or so candidates. The pay was ratcheted up to attract the right stuff, which did the trick.
One candidate turned up with what appeared to be suede shoes and a casual floral shirt for the interview. The shoes were not suede; they had not been polished for forty days and forty nights. One of the questions at his interview was; "What do you know about *****?".
The answer. "Lots... my grandmother was a comfort woman in the second world war" !! Wrong answer......
Next please.
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Interviewer not agent
Read my lips (Words) I'm no agent... Not even a secret agent.
Kap knows me, you know me Urge and I'm friends with some the agents (sought of comes with all the visits they've made to Hainan) And some of my visits on invitation to Shenzhen.
When a gringo gets into town..It's like bloody Christmas (We don't have many). When HU have finished this bout of hiring the gringo population of Haikou would have more than doubled. I enjoy the company of the Chinese but you still like to kick back and have a conversation with somebody from outside of China...Another reason why I would like to see some more foreigners here.
I have a great life here. I can't help being positive and optimistic... The Airline is moving, improving their image, increasing their international flights, buying lots of new aircraft (Boeing Sales J*** C****** in town confirming the updated dual FMC system for our new aircraft) Also 8 A319s arriving in Jan to May next year. The 777 is going to happen as well as the rest of the HU 767s. They have the money. Problem is with all these Aircraft types we might end up like AN in OZ.
Ask the agencies about the clause on aircraft progression. How can anybody not be positive.
Am I the slimy salesman or somebody that enjoys what he's doing?
Being the owner of a JiangXiang m'cycle with side car which is dirt cheap (3500 RMB) and heeps of fun, taking the Giant bicycle for a ride down by Holiday beech and go out to the buffet dinner (Smoked salmon, Aussie beef, NZ Lamb etc etc)at the mandarin for 79RMB all inclusive. There sold a hotel and 2 bicycles...Must be a salesman.
The lifestyle is fine, the company is trying to please, so if I am the HU salesman well that's fine with me!!
Kap knows me, you know me Urge and I'm friends with some the agents (sought of comes with all the visits they've made to Hainan) And some of my visits on invitation to Shenzhen.
When a gringo gets into town..It's like bloody Christmas (We don't have many). When HU have finished this bout of hiring the gringo population of Haikou would have more than doubled. I enjoy the company of the Chinese but you still like to kick back and have a conversation with somebody from outside of China...Another reason why I would like to see some more foreigners here.
I have a great life here. I can't help being positive and optimistic... The Airline is moving, improving their image, increasing their international flights, buying lots of new aircraft (Boeing Sales J*** C****** in town confirming the updated dual FMC system for our new aircraft) Also 8 A319s arriving in Jan to May next year. The 777 is going to happen as well as the rest of the HU 767s. They have the money. Problem is with all these Aircraft types we might end up like AN in OZ.
Ask the agencies about the clause on aircraft progression. How can anybody not be positive.
Am I the slimy salesman or somebody that enjoys what he's doing?
Being the owner of a JiangXiang m'cycle with side car which is dirt cheap (3500 RMB) and heeps of fun, taking the Giant bicycle for a ride down by Holiday beech and go out to the buffet dinner (Smoked salmon, Aussie beef, NZ Lamb etc etc)at the mandarin for 79RMB all inclusive. There sold a hotel and 2 bicycles...Must be a salesman.
The lifestyle is fine, the company is trying to please, so if I am the HU salesman well that's fine with me!!
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All that glitters is not gold
Heard that ZH are being difficult.
Some Pilots sitting in their hotels/apartments waiting to start training. That's OK if you're getting paid.
No money, no job! & Some of them paying to escape their former masters. Hope ZH cleans up this mess.
And Urge are you still their or moved on? Rumour is it that there has been some resignations. Like some clarification from the ZH guys.
Anyway HU have just completed their first round of interviews and Sims.
Still Require 20+. 6 accepted at this stage. Possibly more interviews in May.
Some Pilots sitting in their hotels/apartments waiting to start training. That's OK if you're getting paid.
No money, no job! & Some of them paying to escape their former masters. Hope ZH cleans up this mess.
And Urge are you still their or moved on? Rumour is it that there has been some resignations. Like some clarification from the ZH guys.
Anyway HU have just completed their first round of interviews and Sims.
Still Require 20+. 6 accepted at this stage. Possibly more interviews in May.
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Terms & Conditions
Half asleep at the moment but a few need some more info.. Here goes:
Salary USD 6500 Tax Paid by company.
8.27 RMB= 1USD
Some crumbs for allowances: 15-40 RMB per day's flying.
If in Sanya at the company hotel: 100-150RMB per day (Spent in the Hotel only)
Decent 3 BR Apartment 2400RMB per month. HNA give 1500RMB per month. You can get an older 2BR place for less than a 1000RMB per month. But you would'nt take anything for less than 1900RMB.
Hager: A place near the beach (Tian Hai Yuan) with 4BR and great facilities incl Pool and tennis court will set you back 3000RMB/mth
Cars were very expensive but due to WTO requirements, coming down to something quite reasonable... But the question is: who wants to drive? (obstacles are plentiful) I ride an old Chinese Motorbike and luckily the machine does no more than 75km/hr.
Haikou has practically no western food. Few English speaking folk. 2 KFCs and a McDonalds.
The Beach in Haikou is normally OK for swimming except for the occasional giant oil slick that gives you an instant tan!
The people in Haikou are a lot more friendly than the places I've been on the mainland.
Drinking is enjoyed to a level that most westerners would consider overindulgence but generally only in the Bar streets on Hai Dien Island (Joined by a modern bridge to Haikou City)
Most Pilots smoke (particularly after somebody started a rumour about smoke protecting your lungs from SARS!!)
The company lacks experience in dealing with foreigners but they are rapidly getting better.
In some areas Hainan has it all over many Asian carriers (outside of Honkers) but with some of the basics they still need to get it right.
Salary USD 6500 Tax Paid by company.
8.27 RMB= 1USD
Some crumbs for allowances: 15-40 RMB per day's flying.
If in Sanya at the company hotel: 100-150RMB per day (Spent in the Hotel only)
Decent 3 BR Apartment 2400RMB per month. HNA give 1500RMB per month. You can get an older 2BR place for less than a 1000RMB per month. But you would'nt take anything for less than 1900RMB.
Hager: A place near the beach (Tian Hai Yuan) with 4BR and great facilities incl Pool and tennis court will set you back 3000RMB/mth
Cars were very expensive but due to WTO requirements, coming down to something quite reasonable... But the question is: who wants to drive? (obstacles are plentiful) I ride an old Chinese Motorbike and luckily the machine does no more than 75km/hr.
Haikou has practically no western food. Few English speaking folk. 2 KFCs and a McDonalds.
The Beach in Haikou is normally OK for swimming except for the occasional giant oil slick that gives you an instant tan!
The people in Haikou are a lot more friendly than the places I've been on the mainland.
Drinking is enjoyed to a level that most westerners would consider overindulgence but generally only in the Bar streets on Hai Dien Island (Joined by a modern bridge to Haikou City)
Most Pilots smoke (particularly after somebody started a rumour about smoke protecting your lungs from SARS!!)
The company lacks experience in dealing with foreigners but they are rapidly getting better.
In some areas Hainan has it all over many Asian carriers (outside of Honkers) but with some of the basics they still need to get it right.
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Still here but moved on to different routes or should that be different roots. Resignation yes; girl from accounts recently got offered command of the cafeteria. Said training would probably take six months or so and colleagues offered bypass pay but the union insisted she work outside the award to assist the company. Our Rio friends revolting, and quite justifiably so, as Naning is being offered. An ongoing test of the structural integrity of wingtips and undercarriage continues as is raw data flight in low visibility. Results to be published later. No-one sitting in hotels waiting- too busy being trained in all three seats. Lots of Aussies soon to arrive from VB as experienced NG drivers needed and new offer takes your breath away..... Momentarily.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Great post, Ivan - btw what's the local red wine like? And is Panadol readily available?
Shouln't be too long before we get an answer to both I suspect!
Shouln't be too long before we get an answer to both I suspect!
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Cappy,
The Great Wall 1999 Cab Sav at about A$5 a bottle is quite pleasant, but stay away from the Tibetan Dry. Suntime Manas Dry Red is a fine quaffing brew currently on special at about A$5 for 2 and a 1/2 bottles.
Haven't located a source for Panadol yet, but Tylenol is readily available
Woops, I thought for a moment you were serious.
Snooze
Oh, and how are we this morning Ivan?
The Great Wall 1999 Cab Sav at about A$5 a bottle is quite pleasant, but stay away from the Tibetan Dry. Suntime Manas Dry Red is a fine quaffing brew currently on special at about A$5 for 2 and a 1/2 bottles.
Haven't located a source for Panadol yet, but Tylenol is readily available
Woops, I thought for a moment you were serious.
Snooze
Oh, and how are we this morning Ivan?
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KM, the red here you can actually drink and as Snooze says the Great Wall stuff is exceptional value at A$5. Must have had too much of it last night!! Great masseuses here too, especially from Tibet. They do fantastic massages with or without oil. Called one to my room the other night, trouble is she forgot the oil, so I had that particular Tibetan Dry!!!!! Latest news. Big Brother to be monitoring enhanced duration CVRs soon. Terminology borrowed from QF recently, as recent wingtip strength test deemed to be an incident. Panadol? Dont go popping any pills here. Viagra offered in the street here. Even if you needed to take Mycoxaflopping or Mydixadrooping, would you buy it here?
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Good to see ya in good spirits Ivan. I only drink imported wine (Tax free in HAK)
Beer here is great but cant find decent wine.
QARs, yes Hainan have had them since I've been here. They were using them as a form of punishment until some of the big shots got monitored.
Beer here is great but cant find decent wine.
QARs, yes Hainan have had them since I've been here. They were using them as a form of punishment until some of the big shots got monitored.
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QARs not new. Long been a source of internal revenue for the airlines from the perps pockets. Knee jerk reaction to the wingtip structural integrity test has been the team of 'listeners' to the new CVRs and its associated gain in the financial bottom line of the company. Ommission of salient speach at appropriate moments will elicit invitations for tea and bikkies and to then pay for same. Trouble is, to who's bible does one pledge obedience. The scratch pad gets a lot more use now. Woz that you sighted leaving the box in PEK with other longnoses the other day? Ahhh imported wine........ reason to come to HAK for sure. Too many headaches from Great Wall.
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When can you start?
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If the greener pastures arnt so green.. Give me a call.
Your soon to be ex-masters proved how tough a Boeing really is!
68RMB for a decent OZ or Chilean Chardonnay
If the greener pastures arnt so green.. Give me a call.
Your soon to be ex-masters proved how tough a Boeing really is!
68RMB for a decent OZ or Chilean Chardonnay