pilots do not like to come to China mainland working?
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pilots do not like to come to China mainland working?
It seems when everyone is talking about seeking job opportunity in China area, hongkong is the only choice for them. China mainland is not attractive or pilots do not know the job opportunity with high salary here?
What do you think of this?
(Why I'm thinking of this because my company asked me that why they could not find experienced captains to come for the jobs. My company may think I had the experience of working outside mainland, so I may know how foreign pilots think)
What do you think of this?
(Why I'm thinking of this because my company asked me that why they could not find experienced captains to come for the jobs. My company may think I had the experience of working outside mainland, so I may know how foreign pilots think)
Because it feels like you're flying upside down?
And no other place on this planet has such amounts of pollution?
Oh and, the admittedly very high salaries do not help. When pilots hear about them the first reaction is "if they pay so much, there must be something wrong about that job" (and it is!).
Chinese (mainland) airlines would be better off not increasing the salary but offering more acceptable conditions. Bases with less pollution, no crazy QAR treatment, no funny rules only Chinese can comprehend.
And no other place on this planet has such amounts of pollution?
Oh and, the admittedly very high salaries do not help. When pilots hear about them the first reaction is "if they pay so much, there must be something wrong about that job" (and it is!).
Chinese (mainland) airlines would be better off not increasing the salary but offering more acceptable conditions. Bases with less pollution, no crazy QAR treatment, no funny rules only Chinese can comprehend.
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regarding to pollution, we are suffering too but this is the biggest problem to everyone.
I met many good pilots here have no any QAR problems as they fly so well.
I admit we have the very strict QAR rules however we are still flying and growing.
Actually I don't want any foreign pilots to come for our positions and much higher salary than us, but there it existed, we worked on it.
I met many good pilots here have no any QAR problems as they fly so well.
I admit we have the very strict QAR rules however we are still flying and growing.
Actually I don't want any foreign pilots to come for our positions and much higher salary than us, but there it existed, we worked on it.
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Because the Chinese do not understand anything about foreigners/ foreign pilots. Culturally Mainland China is pretty much the moon to most non-Chinese.
We are not only motivated by money. China does not offer anything else.
Sure, you pay enough and you'll get some pilots. People will sacrifice clean air, safe food, a safe work/home environment, self respect, intellectual and personal freedom, professionalism, and submit to the complete dysfunctional de-facto dystopia that is China for a price. It's a high price, but some people will do it.
For most the price is so high that it's no longer practical to pay it.
China needs to change its behaviour fundamentally and entirely regarding aviation but here is a basic one for pilot recruitment:
Respect ICAO Just Culture.
Respect EASA / FAA style Flight Time Limitations
Streamline SOPs, training and FOMs to intelligible standards. Right now they are complete nonsense that intentionally contradict themselves regularly. Management choose when to enforce clauses to their benefit.
Reform the training and checking regime to one in some way following international norms.
Have a properly accountable management, support and admin structure that has professional international training in airline management.
Everything above will be disregarded as TIC, take it or leave it. Which is fine. Most people will leave it.
For now you can pretend you will pass this information on to your boss, but I think it far more likely you will self censor it like a good little harmonious citizen.
By the way unless you are hiring cadets you are in the wrong forum. China doesn't need or want wannabes. They want experienced captains en large. Try here South Asia and the Far East - PPRuNe Forums
Because the Chinese do not understand anything about foreigners/ foreign pilots. Culturally Mainland China is pretty much the moon to most non-Chinese.
We are not only motivated by money. China does not offer anything else.
Sure, you pay enough and you'll get some pilots. People will sacrifice clean air, safe food, a safe work/home environment, self respect, intellectual and personal freedom, professionalism, and submit to the complete dysfunctional de-facto dystopia that is China for a price. It's a high price, but some people will do it.
For most the price is so high that it's no longer practical to pay it.
China needs to change its behaviour fundamentally and entirely regarding aviation but here is a basic one for pilot recruitment:
Respect ICAO Just Culture.
Respect EASA / FAA style Flight Time Limitations
Streamline SOPs, training and FOMs to intelligible standards. Right now they are complete nonsense that intentionally contradict themselves regularly. Management choose when to enforce clauses to their benefit.
Reform the training and checking regime to one in some way following international norms.
Have a properly accountable management, support and admin structure that has professional international training in airline management.
Everything above will be disregarded as TIC, take it or leave it. Which is fine. Most people will leave it.
For now you can pretend you will pass this information on to your boss, but I think it far more likely you will self censor it like a good little harmonious citizen.
By the way unless you are hiring cadets you are in the wrong forum. China doesn't need or want wannabes. They want experienced captains en large. Try here South Asia and the Far East - PPRuNe Forums
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Money is a poor motivator and is guaranteed to attract the wrong people. People like to be appreciated for what they do, they don't like being pressured in doing things they don't want to do, they like working for companies that are a pleasure to work for. They also like working for companies where mistakes are tolerated and where customers, suppliers and staff are treated with respect. If the above conditions are met, you will have a good business that will find it easy to recruit and retain staff.
Expatriate staff are even more complicated to deal with. They want the above and the opportunity to have "a little bit of home" with them. That can sometimes be met with staff accommodation, a commuting contract or extensive cultural immersion so that they can feel part of the local community.
So forget the money and work on the people side of things.
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Expatriate staff are even more complicated to deal with. They want the above and the opportunity to have "a little bit of home" with them. That can sometimes be met with staff accommodation, a commuting contract or extensive cultural immersion so that they can feel part of the local community.
So forget the money and work on the people side of things.
PM
