Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence

[cyrilroy21]

Yup your plan works perfect on paper including the part that you cleared the tech specific on the seneca
The DGCA is going to make it official soon......

You should have gotten the SPL and FRTOL first as this could take some time ( around 1 month usually )
You will need the 10+2 verification in order to apply for FRTOL

yes the 15 hours can include the flying tests but for some reason the flight schools in India refuse to entertain the same .
It does not matter on which aicraft the recency requirement are flown as long as the skill tests are done on aircraft registered in India and valid CoA etc

[huricane16]

FAA conversion to DGCA

Recently i received letter from dgca regarding licen conversion.They mention accordingly FCL 02/2012 i did not meet those requirment infact i didnt do any.Also i submited my application to DGCA after 1st of April.now the question is do i need to do skill test on both single n multi???If so than which skill should done on which aircraft??? because I would like both endrossment on my licen C-172 & PA-34.As i already flown in USA with all skill test report on C-172 & PA-34.Kindly suggest the school those hving valid C of A for C-172 & PA-34.I have to do re-submission. Thank you

[sachinshets]

Hey guys, feels stressed looking at the way DGCA is bringing up rules,,

Im currently doing my CPL in Canada, Im doing all the requirement for the IR issue (thats 40hrs instrument time & 50hrs xcountry).. Then I wish to do multi for PA34.

As mentioned in the new rules, If i do 1 hour IR skill test here in Canada, and not have the IR rating on my canadian licence, then once i come back to india will I have to so skill test for Indian IR rating on single engine or on multi engine?

Is it like if I have all the requirements for multi IR rating, then I do all the tests in india on singlr engine and still get Multi IR rating on Indian license??

[flyboy7E7]

Hi guys,

I am about to do my skill test in India. What is the procedure to get Indian FRTOL, what are the documents i need to sumbit? is there any form?

Plz help me out guys, i am stuck with out any information regarding this

[equinox123]

@flyboy7E7........for FRTOL there is no application form.All you have to do is apply on a plain piece of paper and attach the following documents after making a covering letter for the same:

1. Original RTR (C) Permit number:-RTR(C)xxxxxxxx-COP along with 2 photocopies.
2. Original UK FRTOL with licence number RT/xxxxxx and vaidity of xxxxxx and 2 photocopies.
3. Original Verified Class 1 Medical Assessment (Valid until xxxx) along with 2 photocopies.
4. Original Verified Class 10th and 12th Marksheets and Certificates with 1 verified photocopy each.
5. Original verification certificate from xxxxxxx board along with 2 photocopies.
6. Photocopy of the FAA licence.
7. Photocopy of First and Last page of the logbook.
8. 2 photographs.
9. Demand Draft of Rs 5,000 issued by xxxx bank and demand draft number…………………………
Issued from ……………………………………………………………………………………branch.



go and drop it atthe DGCA office and then wait for a few days to have them issue you an FRTOL online first and then the hardcopy to your home address in 1 month...........hope this helps.....

[cyrilroy21]

@hurricane 16

Could you explain your situation a little bit more clearly .

Are you saying that you submitted after April 1 without doing the skill test in India ? Why would you do that when FCL 1 / 2012 was published in Feb 2012

You can do the skill tests at Chimes Aviation Academy . They have both C172 and PA 34 .

@sachinshets

If you dont have multi IR on your Canadian License then the DGCA wont issue you one unless you do a multi IR skill test in India .

[sachinshets]

thanks for the replyy...

n i ve done my PPL flight test and commercial flt test on 152.. n i ve done 300NM xcountry on a 172.. is it necessary for me to do 300NM on 152 again or 172 will work..

If it doesnt then i would ve to do in 152 again..

previously i heard from one guy, he did IFR requirement in canada and just multi rating.. he went to india n just did a skill test on singlr for IR and got Multi IR on his license..!! confused..!!

[sachinshets]

guys 1 more question, i read a lot about the techical paper on the aircrafts..

i ve done all my checks in cessna 152.. n now going to do my multi on PA34... does it mean i ve ask my school to conduct a technical exam on both 152 and PA34??

n ya people here ask y do u need technical paper.. lol... they dont know its DGCA,..!!

[K.O.]

Letter to the DGCA

Hey Guys,

I wrote a letter to the DGCA a couple days ago to clarify some of the topics we have been discussing here. I find that although we all get replies to the questions we ask here, they aren't necessarily always the best or most informed answers. I have gone out on a limb to seek answers from the "horses mouth" as it were. This way, we will all be able to proceed without needing a second opinion or sifting though 5 separate PM's which have conflicting information. One answer, one question, no doubt. If you have any additional questions, I encourage you to write to the Training and Licensing or CEO Departments of the DGCA as I have done, and post both your questions and their replies on this thread. I will post their reply when I get it. Remember, there are always people who have the same questions as you and need answers just as badly. Persistance is the key to getting the DGCA to reply; an email every 3 days from me has worked well in the past. Here's the email I wrote them.

October 26th, 2012

To the Official in Charge at the Office of Training and Licensing,
DGCA, New Delhi



Dear Sir,

I would like to take this opportunity to ask a few questions to which I have been unable to find the answer to on either of the DGCA websites or the Internet. I hope you will be willing and able to help me resolve these matters.

1.) I would like to enquire whether it would be possible for your department to look through my logbook and inform me how many of my previous flying hours count toward the conversion of my foreign CPL to the Indian DGCA CPL. I would like to do this now rather than at the time of final submission of all my documents, so that there are no delays in the process later. I could very easily send you, via speed post, a copy of my logbook. I could send a copy of each page, or just the first and last pages, whichever you require. I also find it difficult to interpret correctly the “Guidelines for Conversion of Professional Pilot’s Licenses issued in ICAO contracting States into Indian Professional Pilot’s License (Commercial Pilots License)”, as they are quite different than those I have been trained on previously.


2.) In an attempt to clear up my confusion about the “Guidelines for Conversion of Professional Pilot’s Licenses issued in ICAO contracting States into Indian Professional Pilot’s License (Commercial Pilots License)” previously mentioned, I have copied parts of the PDF herein with my questions listed below each item number; please refer to part (A) and (B) of FCL1_2012.pdf on the DGCA website, "dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf".


Part (A) Questions

a) “Valid foreign Professional Pilot’s License + get verification of license and ratings endorsed on license released to DGCA on e-mail [email protected] from issuing State.”

Question: I have a valid foreign Professional Pilot’s License but could you please inform by what method I am to get verification released to the DGCA? The term “issuing State” is used often; does this refer to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)?

b) “Valid foreign Class-I Medical Assessment from State of issue”.


Question: I have a valid FAA Class 1 medical, but it was not issued with additional paperwork. What does “Assessment” mean? Does this imply blood tests, eye exam results, ENT results etc? Is verification required from the FAA? I could easily get a letter issued by my AME from Florida stating the date of the exam and the “Fit” result.

c) “Authenticated Log book of a period of at least preceding 5 years, which must include information regarding dates, aircraft type (single/Multi) and registration, crew status (PIC, dual etc.), total time, Sectors, Departure-arrival times, day & Nights, X-country flights, instrument time (actual, simulated in aircraft), simulator flying (separately logged). All the entries must be verified by the appropriate authority in the State of Issue of foreign license”.

Question: I have a logbook that has been authenticated on the last page by the Chief Pilot of my University; Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Is my Chief Pilot an “appropriate authority in the State of Issue of foreign license” according to the DGCA? Secondly, in this item, Part (A) Item 3, of the PDF document the words used in reference to logbook authentication is “a period of at least preceding 5 years”, whereas on the third page (flow chart) the words used in reference to flying requirements under the first sub-header are “Within 5 years”. My question is whether the DGCA considers legitimate the flying hours earned more than five years before the application date? Additionally, sectors and departure-arrival times are not recorded in my logbook, only the airports I flew to in sequence and the date of the flight.

d) “Statement of 20 Hrs of PIC Cross-country flights / 50 Hrs PIC cross-country flights if IR is also requested. (a flight to a point beyond a radius of one hundred nautical miles from the aerodrome of departure)”.

Question: The term “Statement of…” is used often as well. What does this mean? Is an entry made in my logbook sufficient, or would the DGCA require a letter from my flight school verifying all the flying hours in my logbook?

e) “For Multi endorsement on CPL at the time of issue: Please ensure you possess same multi on foreign license and the which is available with valid C of A in India. Please produce at least 10 hrs (4 day + 3 night + 1hr day test + 1hr night test + 1hr IR test) of flight training on that multi engine aircraft -and within 6 months General flying test by day and Night with three PIC take off and landings each, and for IR on multi, IR test report with two approaches on that aircraft for which multi -endorsement on license is requested”.

Question: The terms “test”, “flying test” and “skill test” are used in several cases. Is there any difference between them? Could you please define them for me?


Part (B) Questions

a) “Applicants need to do in India before submission of application:-

(iv) A cross-country flying test by night consisting of a flight of not less than one hundred twenty nautical miles returning to the place of departure without landing elsewhere and Instrument Rating test (if IR desired) from an approved Flying training institute in India. In case CPL is requested only on Multi engine aircraft then skill tests on the said type will be carried out in India”.

Question: I would like to clarify whether the 120NM cross country flight must have only one landing, at the airport of departure, or only two landings, one at the airport not less than 120NM away and one at the departure airport.

b) “Fees Rs. 5000 for each issue and Rs 5000 for each aircraft endorsements/ rating to be submitted in the form of Bank Draft Payable to PAO, DGCA, Ministry of Civil Aviation, New Delhi”.

Question: Could you please break down the fee structure for me? As far as I understand, it is Rs. 5000 for issue of Indian CPL, Rs. 5000 for issue of Single Engine rating, Rs. 5000 for issue of Instrument rating - Single Engine, Rs. 5000 for issue of Instrument rating- Multiengine, and Rs. 5000 for issue of Multi-Engine, which equals Rs. 25,000 in total. Is that correct?

3.) I have earned my CPL/Multi-Engine/IR from the USA, and I would like to do my recency (within 6 months) flying hours in a privately owned aircraft, licensed and registered in Canada. Would this be possible? If not, what endorsements for the aircraft do I need to obtain? Please note this aircraft has been used and insured by Transport Canada for flight training purposes. It is my understanding that I am able to do my multi engine flight checkride outside India, but that I must do my single engine checkride at a flight school in India; is this correct?

4.) My final question is what documentation will I be required to submit as proof of my PIC flying hours if I am a CFI flying solo or with a student pilot providing “dual” time to the student? Is my logbook sufficient?

I would like to thank you for your help in resolving these questions. Your team of dedicated individuals has been especially helpful to me thus far and I look forward to working effectively with your department. I also look forward to your informative email.

Thank you once again,

Yours Sincerely.

[flyboy7E7]

Hi, i am applying for SINGLE Engine CPL. I have my recency done.
What skill tests should be done in india?

According to the flow chart on dgca website, it says:

"General Flying Test report by day, night and Instrument Rating test (if IR desired) from an approved Flying training institute in India, if not carried out in a flying training institute approved by the regulatory authority of the ICAO Contracting State within the preceding six months of the date of application in DGCA"

it doesnt mention the cross country tests? does that mean we can finish off the cross country tests abroad?

[aviator86]

Hi , Can anyone let me know which form should be used for the Multi Engine General Flight Test by Day / Night with three take off and landings?

is it CA40 or CA40B
I am assuming its CA40B as the name of the form itself specifies " CA 40B(J) - PILOT IN COMMAND TEST ( DAY/ NIGHT) (for Jet aeroplanes above 1500Kgs) "
but I have come across many guys using CA40 for their multi engine GFT day / night, isnt CA40 used for single engine GFT?

[mikebravo05]

can anyone suggest me a good flying school in India where I can get my skill tests/recency done ? PA-34 and C-172 should both be available.

[cyrilroy21]

Chimes Aviation Academy has both aircraft available

[santabarbara]

Hello, I have a question here, Hope someone could help...!!!

I recently cleared all my exams(RT, Composite, Reg) and hold an FAA CPL with multi endorsed. I am planning to do recency and skill tests as i am free from my exams now. I am in the dilemma of whether to do my recency from India or do it abroad and then come back to India and do the skill tests in PA-34 in any of the flight schools?

What do you suggest?

[equinox123]

But keep in mind Chimes will rip you off till you bleed.

[aviator86]

@equinox123: can you elaborate please. I need to do my checks too, I will be able to proceed with some caution. Thanks

[Ellips]

A friend of mine recently did his checks from there totaling to 03:30min costing around 1.78lakhs, he had a rough experience with the instructor and claims that the logging and pricing isn't transparent but he finally got his work done.

They may use you and your flight time(In the name of checks) to ferry or pick up new students from Bhopal and may ask you to pay for entry pass or other miscellaneous.

Be sure to conform your flight schedule well before, their ME slots are usually booked in advance.

@K.O.

Nice questions, much awaited to see reply from officers. i would like to suggest RTI(no harm in filing) if your questions weren't answered promptly by the officials.

[K.O.]

I got a reply from one official at the DGCA. He gave me his number and told me to call him in the morning. I did so, he rushed through his answers to my questions but skipped the ones that were the most important. Have any of you thought of writing to Ajit Singh and letting him know whats going on in his DGCA? I was thinking of starting a petition. I was going to draw up a list of points we want to see changed at the DGCA and then file it depending how well our collective efforts were received by mr. singh. Best not to prod the hornets nest without due cause. I will have to find my hand scribbled notes during our phone conversation.

have you had much luck with the DGCA?

[mikebravo1901]

PA-34 Written Exam

Guys can anyone of you let me know that in what case are we supposed to go through the written exam for PA-34 ? I mean if we have a multi engine endorsed on foreign CPL do we still need to appear in a PA-34 technical exam ?

[lonelypilot]

query on endorsement

hello everyone
i would be really greatfull if smeone can clear this doubt which i hav in me from many days.

: initialy i did my training from usa and got ME/IR(a/c flew da-20 and da-42)

: after clearing indian conversion xams i did my recency from canada. i did convert my faa licence to canada by conversion xam and gave my rt too.here for my recency i flew c-152 which i newver flew earlier for 10hrs and for multi i flew PA-34 which i never flew this earlier too for 10hrs.took my check out on both c-152 and PA 34 and completed my recency in canada. Nw my question is wht will be the endorsement on my canadian license as i had only ME/IR from usa.

: i wat to give my skill test here in india on c-152.Nw here my question is will i be getting a MULTI ADD ON onmy indian licence if i submit te documents of PA-34 which i flew in canada during my recency(10hrs including day night ir check and 4hrs day 3hrs night)

i hope smone will clear this mess from my head plz

thnx in advance