Why I knocked back Cathay
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Anyone who is currently working for CX, could tell me if CX resumes hiring DEFO, what's the likelyhood of getting an European Base?
I have +2000h on the 737NG, with full ATPL, will I be accepted with that?
What I am most bothered about in CX is the roster, could anyone say how it's a normal roster in CX?
Thanks and safe flying!!
I have +2000h on the 737NG, with full ATPL, will I be accepted with that?
What I am most bothered about in CX is the roster, could anyone say how it's a normal roster in CX?
Thanks and safe flying!!
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They are not hiring DEFOs at the moment, as to when they might...... who knows, but they will fight tooth and nail to get the cheapest option, iDESOs first and when they have done that and found that no-one will come for much less than the previous DESO, then that will be the course they will take initially. NO DEFOs at least for this year and quite possibily next.
Your experience level is nearing the level which the last batch of DESOs had many years ago, unless you mean 2000PIC on the 73, then you would be closer to what previous DEFOs had.
European base, they may go down the route of hiring DESOs onto bases, this sounds appealling. However, thaat wold then mean that your move to FO and CPT would entail you either a. moving to HKG, for which they would probably consider you to be on the HKPA (local terms) or b. sitting on your base and waiting for your FO/CPT upgrade, which quite honestly would take your career. I would conservatively say 10-12 years to upgrade to FO and perhaps another 10-12 years to upgrade to CPT ie 20-24years.
Career airline for sure, if you intend to progress at a snails pace and be grossly undercompensated.
Your experience level is nearing the level which the last batch of DESOs had many years ago, unless you mean 2000PIC on the 73, then you would be closer to what previous DEFOs had.
European base, they may go down the route of hiring DESOs onto bases, this sounds appealling. However, thaat wold then mean that your move to FO and CPT would entail you either a. moving to HKG, for which they would probably consider you to be on the HKPA (local terms) or b. sitting on your base and waiting for your FO/CPT upgrade, which quite honestly would take your career. I would conservatively say 10-12 years to upgrade to FO and perhaps another 10-12 years to upgrade to CPT ie 20-24years.
Career airline for sure, if you intend to progress at a snails pace and be grossly undercompensated.
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I'm always confused by threads like this one. As an ATCO of 10 years' experience, I'm definitely in the "wannabe" category of potential pilot. I mean, I'm still in my 20s (just), so surely it's not too late for a career change? Just because the Air Force turned me down 12 years ago on medical grounds (apparently my knees stick out too far) doesn't mean I can never be a pilot, does it?
So I, like many other 'starry-eyed wannabes', look at all the options available to us to kick off a commercial flying career. Funded cadetships offered by the big airlines - including this one by CX - are a very appealing option to people like me. I'm no longer 17, and I'm not in a financial or personal position to afford $80,000 of flying training on the vague promise of maybe, possibly, getting a ****ty GA job and hoping that, over the next decade, I might work may way through a succession of increasingly less-****ty jobs until one day, I'll pass a golden milestone in the sky, a chorus of angels will appear, a shaft of light will shine upon me and the doors of an airline job will be thrown open, seasoned pilots will line the halls in a guard of honour applauding me for 'doing my time' like they did. Any career change comes with a cost, and while 61 weeks in Adelaide without an income might just be doable if I re-mortgage my house and plunder the savings account, ten years of penury in New Guinea or Mount Isa while paying for my own CPL on weekends just isn't.
Unfortunately, people like me turn to places like this for advice, and this is where the confusion sets in. Firstly, we get to see every workplace grievance anyone even remotely associated with the airline in question has, and told how in 1975 conditions were better. Great: so was rock music. How does this help me now?
Next, embittered FOs and junior Captains set off on a rant about how they might fly with a cadet at night, but they won't respect me in the morning. Apparently, no amount of conscientious effort on the part of the cadet to capitalise on the accumulated experience, knowledge and mentoring of their more senior crew will be rewarded with respect - fly a Cessna with creaky flaps for a decade, or get the hell out, seems to be the attitude there. Hmm, I can see a great culture of nurturing, training, and peer development there! I look forward to line checks by such people.
Then, we'll be bombarded with inconsistency. Those embittered old salts above will praise all kinds of glory on people prepared to "do it the hard way", and sniff at people looking to do 200-hour cadetships. But then you get guys (like several just above this post) demanding to know why they can't transfer directly into an airline, bring all their seniority with them, and pick a base of their choice. Apparently, respect and working through the ranks are OK, as long as you don't have to do it.
Finally, we'll get told stories of doom and gloom - "Cathay can't recruit!", "We're 5,000 pilots short!", "They'll open the books any day now!", and bizarrely in this topic, "The Chinese will buy you out!". And yet, measures such as direct employment cadetships, which promise to raise hundreds of new pilots a year, are sneered at. According to the wisdom of the internet, the only way to solve the pilot crisis is to re-hire geriatric old guys whose last ride had "Pan Am" painted on the tail and a navigator equipped with a sextant. No constructive alternative is offered and there is precious little discussion about what they might be.
Can you see why potential cadets like me might not 'heed the wisdom' of the forum? Sure, I'd love upfront and honest advice about what my working life might be like if I get offered a place. But leave the analysis of that information to me, thanks. I'm a smart guy, I'll make the decision based on my needs, desires and goals. (Plus I have the power to hold you at the IAF until you start bitching about fuel
) The advice right for me at 18 is different to what it is at 29 with a kid and a wife and a car loan and a mother-in-law.
In the end, maybe I'll decide a career change isn't worth it. But I'd like to do so on the basis of a considered argument, not industrial relations propaganda dressed up as advice and reminiscence.
//Newbie-bashing-proof suit on!
So I, like many other 'starry-eyed wannabes', look at all the options available to us to kick off a commercial flying career. Funded cadetships offered by the big airlines - including this one by CX - are a very appealing option to people like me. I'm no longer 17, and I'm not in a financial or personal position to afford $80,000 of flying training on the vague promise of maybe, possibly, getting a ****ty GA job and hoping that, over the next decade, I might work may way through a succession of increasingly less-****ty jobs until one day, I'll pass a golden milestone in the sky, a chorus of angels will appear, a shaft of light will shine upon me and the doors of an airline job will be thrown open, seasoned pilots will line the halls in a guard of honour applauding me for 'doing my time' like they did. Any career change comes with a cost, and while 61 weeks in Adelaide without an income might just be doable if I re-mortgage my house and plunder the savings account, ten years of penury in New Guinea or Mount Isa while paying for my own CPL on weekends just isn't.
Unfortunately, people like me turn to places like this for advice, and this is where the confusion sets in. Firstly, we get to see every workplace grievance anyone even remotely associated with the airline in question has, and told how in 1975 conditions were better. Great: so was rock music. How does this help me now?
Next, embittered FOs and junior Captains set off on a rant about how they might fly with a cadet at night, but they won't respect me in the morning. Apparently, no amount of conscientious effort on the part of the cadet to capitalise on the accumulated experience, knowledge and mentoring of their more senior crew will be rewarded with respect - fly a Cessna with creaky flaps for a decade, or get the hell out, seems to be the attitude there. Hmm, I can see a great culture of nurturing, training, and peer development there! I look forward to line checks by such people.
Then, we'll be bombarded with inconsistency. Those embittered old salts above will praise all kinds of glory on people prepared to "do it the hard way", and sniff at people looking to do 200-hour cadetships. But then you get guys (like several just above this post) demanding to know why they can't transfer directly into an airline, bring all their seniority with them, and pick a base of their choice. Apparently, respect and working through the ranks are OK, as long as you don't have to do it.
Finally, we'll get told stories of doom and gloom - "Cathay can't recruit!", "We're 5,000 pilots short!", "They'll open the books any day now!", and bizarrely in this topic, "The Chinese will buy you out!". And yet, measures such as direct employment cadetships, which promise to raise hundreds of new pilots a year, are sneered at. According to the wisdom of the internet, the only way to solve the pilot crisis is to re-hire geriatric old guys whose last ride had "Pan Am" painted on the tail and a navigator equipped with a sextant. No constructive alternative is offered and there is precious little discussion about what they might be.
Can you see why potential cadets like me might not 'heed the wisdom' of the forum? Sure, I'd love upfront and honest advice about what my working life might be like if I get offered a place. But leave the analysis of that information to me, thanks. I'm a smart guy, I'll make the decision based on my needs, desires and goals. (Plus I have the power to hold you at the IAF until you start bitching about fuel
) The advice right for me at 18 is different to what it is at 29 with a kid and a wife and a car loan and a mother-in-law.In the end, maybe I'll decide a career change isn't worth it. But I'd like to do so on the basis of a considered argument, not industrial relations propaganda dressed up as advice and reminiscence.
//Newbie-bashing-proof suit on!
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the icadet SJS package will not sustain a decent life for you in HK, not now and not when you're an FO in a decade, and not when you're a Captain a decade after that. The package simply isn't good enough.
And before Dan comes back and explains how I can do this with my "personal circumstances" (I speak chinese like a local, and rely on my parents living here probably!), I have plenty of friends who did not grow up here in exactly the same situation.
Just to provide a counter-point...
Woodwork, don't be confused. It's very simple, what the 'old salts' here are trying to do here and on other threads is to scare the 'newbies' off in the hope that this will force Cathay to improve the 'old salts' terms and conditions or at least not make them any worse.
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Since when has this been about improving the CoS for the “Old Salts” as you put it? This is all about improving the CoS offered to iCads. I certainly don’t want to see my CoS eroded but I don’t want to see iCads being sold down the river and that is what we are on about.
Since when has this been about improving the CoS for the “Old Salts” as you put it? This is all about improving the CoS offered to iCads. I certainly don’t want to see my CoS eroded but I don’t want to see iCads being sold down the river and that is what we are on about.
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@woodwork:
I appreciate your well-written post. My two-fold answer:
1) A career change is always difficult for the what-ifs and dunno's. But you must, and I emphasize, must look at this particular offer as rationally as you can (I know what it feels like to having to spend a week in front of a spreadsheet while re-reading the "this is your last chance at CX, take it or leave it" -letter). If you've done the number-crunching and conclude the compensation offered is adequate to give you a reasonable means to provide for you and your family, AND adequately offsets the costs associated with a change to expat life right from the get-go, then you'll be ok with it. If not, if there's a slight "but" or an "if", then walk away. I moved away from the EU to the US 15 years ago in search of the golden ticket to airline flying. Now, after 15 years, I'm still doubtful if it is/was all worth it. I hope after your decision you won't have to look back and have to second-guess your call (don't we all...).
2) In the next 2-3 years, most airlines in the world are hitting a brick wall when age 65 retirements start. Not enough new warm bodies to fill the flightdecks; the reason why places like CX et al. are trying to get the cheap labor locked in now and not later. 3 years from now, the tables have been tweaked for the better (no, not completely turned, as pilots are still labor, an as such, we never get to truly dictate our T&C's). You say you are in your late-20's/early-30's. I understand what seniority means in the airline business. But, if I were you, I'd sit back another few years, maybe start working on a PPL/IR and see how this flying thing treats you in a more personal level. Don't go all out and drop a full on loan to a pilot factory, just work on the flying as a hobby. Then, when things start to really heat up on the labor market, you can still go all in, or if not, you've bought yourself a nice little hobby that you can either continue or chalk one up in the life-experience column.
I appreciate your well-written post. My two-fold answer:
1) A career change is always difficult for the what-ifs and dunno's. But you must, and I emphasize, must look at this particular offer as rationally as you can (I know what it feels like to having to spend a week in front of a spreadsheet while re-reading the "this is your last chance at CX, take it or leave it" -letter). If you've done the number-crunching and conclude the compensation offered is adequate to give you a reasonable means to provide for you and your family, AND adequately offsets the costs associated with a change to expat life right from the get-go, then you'll be ok with it. If not, if there's a slight "but" or an "if", then walk away. I moved away from the EU to the US 15 years ago in search of the golden ticket to airline flying. Now, after 15 years, I'm still doubtful if it is/was all worth it. I hope after your decision you won't have to look back and have to second-guess your call (don't we all...).
2) In the next 2-3 years, most airlines in the world are hitting a brick wall when age 65 retirements start. Not enough new warm bodies to fill the flightdecks; the reason why places like CX et al. are trying to get the cheap labor locked in now and not later. 3 years from now, the tables have been tweaked for the better (no, not completely turned, as pilots are still labor, an as such, we never get to truly dictate our T&C's). You say you are in your late-20's/early-30's. I understand what seniority means in the airline business. But, if I were you, I'd sit back another few years, maybe start working on a PPL/IR and see how this flying thing treats you in a more personal level. Don't go all out and drop a full on loan to a pilot factory, just work on the flying as a hobby. Then, when things start to really heat up on the labor market, you can still go all in, or if not, you've bought yourself a nice little hobby that you can either continue or chalk one up in the life-experience column.
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"You can find a decent place on Lantau island for relatively cheap."
Mate have you actually live in HK before...why would you come up with a place like lantau which is like the worse place to live in terms of links and access to other part of hk.
"deserve to live like a king as soon as they step onto the line"
i think people are just letting them know what they are getting themselves into, its okay for local like me becoz im use to it but for people in da us, auz use to living in big apartment then changing to living in a shoebox is a totally diff scenario
think about this in 10 yrs time they will need to raise a family etc
Mate have you actually live in HK before...why would you come up with a place like lantau which is like the worse place to live in terms of links and access to other part of hk.
"deserve to live like a king as soon as they step onto the line"
i think people are just letting them know what they are getting themselves into, its okay for local like me becoz im use to it but for people in da us, auz use to living in big apartment then changing to living in a shoebox is a totally diff scenario
think about this in 10 yrs time they will need to raise a family etc
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"Everyone is suggesting that once your At CX your stuck there. Your not bound to work for the company as that's illeagle in HK (I did ask this at my interview and they said it's true), so if you hate it, save up, take your P2X rating and run...go back to your home country, finish off to get a full/ fATPL and work for someone else."
sure you can leave within the 6 yrs just have to pay back every single penny of the training cost...sounds fun
not sure if u know p2x is not recognize by other airlines
"Everyone is suggesting that once your At CX your stuck there. Your not bound to work for the company as that's illeagle in HK (I did ask this at my interview and they said it's true), so if you hate it, save up, take your P2X rating and run...go back to your home country, finish off to get a full/ fATPL and work for someone else."
sure you can leave within the 6 yrs just have to pay back every single penny of the training cost...sounds fun
not sure if u know p2x is not recognize by other airlines
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Alright, this thread is getting pretty long so might be a good time to revisit some basic points so you dont have to sift through 100 comments.
Cathay Second Officer Deal:
1st yr SO HK$48,687 / month = HK$584,244 / year = approx AUS$70,000
2nd yr SO HK$54,631 / month = HK$655,572 / year = approx AUS$79,000
3rd yr SO HK$59,987 /month = HK$719,844 / year = approx AUS$86,000
Junior First Officer = approx AUS$102,792 / year
First Officer = approx AUS $135,096 / year
on top of these base salaries is a yearly bonus of 1/12th of yrly salary. (AUS$5500 first year SO)
I agree this is still pretty ordinary pay, especially for the experienced blokes with 5-10 yrs experience in the industry
But something that is getting me to rethink is that if you go in via the transition program (top program, opposite to the ab-initio) you get approx AUS$100,000 loan which you don't have to repay if you stay there for six years. Or you can think about it this way, add AUS$16,000 to your base salary for the first 6 yrs of working for cathay. So that makes first yr salary of AUS$86,000, this is getting close to virgin australia conditions.
Now one thing i dont really know anything about, living in hong kong. Done some research looks like you need to spend about AUS$1800 / month on rent for a comfortable place. which is AUS$21,600 / yr or AUS$450/ week. That is a little more expensive then AUS. Thinking a room mate might be good. I've been told the food and transport is pretty much the same as AUS. Any info on this would be great.
Cathay Second Officer Deal:
1st yr SO HK$48,687 / month = HK$584,244 / year = approx AUS$70,000
2nd yr SO HK$54,631 / month = HK$655,572 / year = approx AUS$79,000
3rd yr SO HK$59,987 /month = HK$719,844 / year = approx AUS$86,000
Junior First Officer = approx AUS$102,792 / year
First Officer = approx AUS $135,096 / year
on top of these base salaries is a yearly bonus of 1/12th of yrly salary. (AUS$5500 first year SO)
I agree this is still pretty ordinary pay, especially for the experienced blokes with 5-10 yrs experience in the industry
But something that is getting me to rethink is that if you go in via the transition program (top program, opposite to the ab-initio) you get approx AUS$100,000 loan which you don't have to repay if you stay there for six years. Or you can think about it this way, add AUS$16,000 to your base salary for the first 6 yrs of working for cathay. So that makes first yr salary of AUS$86,000, this is getting close to virgin australia conditions.
Now one thing i dont really know anything about, living in hong kong. Done some research looks like you need to spend about AUS$1800 / month on rent for a comfortable place. which is AUS$21,600 / yr or AUS$450/ week. That is a little more expensive then AUS. Thinking a room mate might be good. I've been told the food and transport is pretty much the same as AUS. Any info on this would be great.
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...... yep, I can see you've done your study. Everything you say and
- zero income tax,
- zero tax on the HKPLA,
- zero tax on the "forgivable loan" (butin the event you did have to pay it back, wouldn't you pay the full amount CX "gave" you, hence the repayment = loan + non refundable tax paid on it?)
- 4000 sqft apartment on the beach at Shek O,
- future marriage, wife, kids cost nothing in HK,
- HK cost of living is the cheapest in the world,
- inflation runs at zero percent year in, year out,
- housing costs never go up: ever,
- and if they did your HKPLA covers those silly little CPI & housing market increases (only at 22% last calculation, nearly nothing at all!!)...or does it?
- there is no pollution in HK to factor into health concerns & potential ramifications,
- socialising, the occasional night out or meal is also free (part of the deal),
- CX have a long respected history of honouring contracts & never seek to lower staff pay,
- rostering practices and FDTLs are never an issue, nor have ever been,
- everyone respects what you are doing to the industry and pressures put on present CX contracts (especially with the housing allowance review coming up for them),
- you cannot fail anything within those 6 years or time in ADL that would incur repayment of the "forgivable loan" because the instructors and trainers are just so darn proud of the "passion" everyone has!
- a P2X rating is the most sort after rating in the world & just in case you do have to leave HK for any number of unplanned events, airlines will be lining up for you join them with such advanced qualifications,
- you have a secure career with respectable management anyway. I mean, no one at CX has ever been fired unfairly or for highlighting safety concerns.
Yep, it's all free and better than self respect! Money in the bank!!
(Read "The 49ers - The True Story" if you really are seeking some study tips as per your post on the the other thread).
This thread is about "Why I Knocked Back CX", and not for those seeking answers to questions any applicant with minimal research, study or preparation should already know.
- zero income tax,
- zero tax on the HKPLA,
- zero tax on the "forgivable loan" (butin the event you did have to pay it back, wouldn't you pay the full amount CX "gave" you, hence the repayment = loan + non refundable tax paid on it?)
- 4000 sqft apartment on the beach at Shek O,
- future marriage, wife, kids cost nothing in HK,
- HK cost of living is the cheapest in the world,
- inflation runs at zero percent year in, year out,
- housing costs never go up: ever,
- and if they did your HKPLA covers those silly little CPI & housing market increases (only at 22% last calculation, nearly nothing at all!!)...or does it?
- there is no pollution in HK to factor into health concerns & potential ramifications,
- socialising, the occasional night out or meal is also free (part of the deal),
- CX have a long respected history of honouring contracts & never seek to lower staff pay,
- rostering practices and FDTLs are never an issue, nor have ever been,
- everyone respects what you are doing to the industry and pressures put on present CX contracts (especially with the housing allowance review coming up for them),
- you cannot fail anything within those 6 years or time in ADL that would incur repayment of the "forgivable loan" because the instructors and trainers are just so darn proud of the "passion" everyone has!
- a P2X rating is the most sort after rating in the world & just in case you do have to leave HK for any number of unplanned events, airlines will be lining up for you join them with such advanced qualifications,
- you have a secure career with respectable management anyway. I mean, no one at CX has ever been fired unfairly or for highlighting safety concerns.
Yep, it's all free and better than self respect! Money in the bank!!
(Read "The 49ers - The True Story" if you really are seeking some study tips as per your post on the the other thread).
This thread is about "Why I Knocked Back CX", and not for those seeking answers to questions any applicant with minimal research, study or preparation should already know.
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Yes, precisely.
When they didn't get the numbers they added the HKPLA & "Forgivable Loan", ie BOND - let's call it for what it is. So, if thy don't get the numbers again then they'll have to improve the package. Supply and demand can also work in your (our) favour.
The more who refuse and hold out then the quicker it'll happen.
When they didn't get the numbers they added the HKPLA & "Forgivable Loan", ie BOND - let's call it for what it is. So, if thy don't get the numbers again then they'll have to improve the package. Supply and demand can also work in your (our) favour.
The more who refuse and hold out then the quicker it'll happen.
READ THAT BOOK
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just rediscovered this thread..it's as relevant as ever.
New joiners are currently eligible for government housing assistance, and are thereby treated as "sandwich class" citizens.
When are pilots going to get together and tell airline executives to go F%$# themselves??
New joiners are currently eligible for government housing assistance, and are thereby treated as "sandwich class" citizens.
When are pilots going to get together and tell airline executives to go F%$# themselves??
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I know a guy who was in the hiring pool for DEFO. They dissolved the pool, and then invited him to interview AGAIN fro DESO!!! He interviewed and was hired for DESO, but didn't take the job.
With the shortage of pilots, worldwide, getting worse and worse, Cathay will have to make a better offer to new joiners in the future.
Currently, in the US, American Airlines is recalling, and hardly anyone is taking the recall. American Eagle, and Republic, two "Regional" airlines (flying RJs as feeders for the US majors) are now paying $5K USD sigining bonuses because they are so desperate.
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With the shortage of pilots, worldwide, getting worse and worse, Cathay will have to make a better offer to new joiners in the future.
Currently, in the US, American Airlines is recalling, and hardly anyone is taking the recall. American Eagle, and Republic, two "Regional" airlines (flying RJs as feeders for the US majors) are now paying $5K USD sigining bonuses because they are so desperate.
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Always nice to hear info like that, Cliff. Unfortunately, over my two decades with CX I have seen the airline degenerate from a world-leading long-haul airline that identified itself with the whole of Asia, paying top dollar for very experienced crew, to a cheap and nasty outfit that will take anyone with a pulse and, at the moment, a Hong Kong ID card, on conditions amounting to indentured servitude.
Management, particularly in Flight Ops, exhibits a fatal combination of arrogance and incompetence when it comes to crew relations, administration, offshore taxes and foreign labor laws. And the overall experience base in the cockpits is being inexorably lowered by current recruiting policy.
Despite the 'green shoots' appearing in the States, I am not optimistic about this lot changing their ideas any time soon.
Management, particularly in Flight Ops, exhibits a fatal combination of arrogance and incompetence when it comes to crew relations, administration, offshore taxes and foreign labor laws. And the overall experience base in the cockpits is being inexorably lowered by current recruiting policy.
Despite the 'green shoots' appearing in the States, I am not optimistic about this lot changing their ideas any time soon.
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New joiners are currently eligible for government housing assistance, and are thereby treated as "sandwich class" citizens.
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http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
The Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey uses the “Median Multiple” (median house price divided by gross annual median household income) to assess housing affordability. The Median Multiple is widely used for evaluating urban markets, and has been recommended by the World Bank and the United Nations and is used by the Harvard University Joint Center on Housing.
Australia 6.5
Canada 4.7
China (Hong Kong)13.5
Ireland 3.6
New Zealand 6.7
United Kingdom 5.1
United States 3.2
The Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey uses the “Median Multiple” (median house price divided by gross annual median household income) to assess housing affordability. The Median Multiple is widely used for evaluating urban markets, and has been recommended by the World Bank and the United Nations and is used by the Harvard University Joint Center on Housing.
Australia 6.5
Canada 4.7
China (Hong Kong)13.5
Ireland 3.6
New Zealand 6.7
United Kingdom 5.1
United States 3.2
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Its interesting. I think some people are wrong about the second officer (flying officer boy) pay at cathay (Cathay Pacific :: Career Path) its seems that local 2nd officers are sporting black Rimowa suitcase..fancy.
Then I saw the housing that pilot he was standing in....Cathay Pacific :: Home he looked satisfied and proud... in government housing. it looks nasty...sorry cant help it...
But a very fancy cadet career website...
not even FA has a new website...
Then I saw the housing that pilot he was standing in....Cathay Pacific :: Home he looked satisfied and proud... in government housing. it looks nasty...sorry cant help it...
But a very fancy cadet career website...
not even FA has a new website...
Last edited by jetjockey696; 27th Jan 2013 at 16:58.
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Has Cx changed?
I am a newly rated US commercial pilot who is seeking a "quick" way to get into the airline industry. I have about 300 hours and at first glance, their package above the cadet level looked very appealing. I am glad to have found this thread and read about the details of working for the company.
I guess what I am asking is... Should I get my CFI (flight instructor) and work to get my ATPL the hard way? Or has CX improved their packages to where I could support my wife and two kids? I also have my mechanics license so I suppose if I was a DESO, then I could work as a mechanic on my days off.
From what I hear from my previous instructor who now works for Horizon as a FO in the US, he averages 12 dollars US an hour. The SO makes about twice as much in CX. I also don't want to try to get 1,200 more hours the "hard way" only to finally get my ATPL and make 12 an hour.
I do have family in HK and may be able to arrange housing.
Any opinions from those who have a family and working with CX? Many thanks.
I guess what I am asking is... Should I get my CFI (flight instructor) and work to get my ATPL the hard way? Or has CX improved their packages to where I could support my wife and two kids? I also have my mechanics license so I suppose if I was a DESO, then I could work as a mechanic on my days off.
From what I hear from my previous instructor who now works for Horizon as a FO in the US, he averages 12 dollars US an hour. The SO makes about twice as much in CX. I also don't want to try to get 1,200 more hours the "hard way" only to finally get my ATPL and make 12 an hour.
I do have family in HK and may be able to arrange housing.
Any opinions from those who have a family and working with CX? Many thanks.