Has the Short Course for CPL/F-ATPL been approve yet?
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apparently there will not be any short course, or long course unless you are Australian. CX has come out and said that unless you have the right to live and work in a country, then they will not help you get that right. Hence, if you are working for CX in Australia in the cadet program, you must be Australian! Wonder if that means an end to Hong Kong pilots?
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CX has come out and said that unless you have the right to live and work in a country, then they will not help you get that right.
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Had my stage 1B interview today. Asked interviewer about short course. She was from HR and happily replied that it was approved as of this week. IT IS OPEN TO ALL CADETS WHO MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA (cpl with 250hrs min). Also they are just waiting for the new training manuals and everything else. She said at this point they are planning the first short course group for December.
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wait a second. Aren't you based in Australia during the cadet program? You need the right to work there for a year!! If you currently are at CX, you can't get a temp basing for 4 months without being Australian - so, why the double standard?
You will have to file your taxes there too, or CX gets in trouble - they are used to that now.
You will have to file your taxes there too, or CX gets in trouble - they are used to that now.
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You need the right to work there for a year!!
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Hey Betpump5
am I still a clown? Short course is approved by the HKCAD now ....
Airplaneridesrfun
Cadets are only offered employment with CX after successfully completing the course. Only a student visa is necessary for sponsored flight training.
am I still a clown? Short course is approved by the HKCAD now ....
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Cadets are only offered employment with CX after successfully completing the course. Only a student visa is necessary for sponsored flight training.
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so when they don't offer you employment for over a year after completion of the course, you are not obliged to take it; even though they MAKE you sign a 6 year contract in direct violation of Hong Kong Law. They say it is voluntary...... if you didn't give me a job, I'd think it as free flight training and bug off.
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It is not against the law to have you sign a contract. From what the recruiter says, it is not a binding contract but more of a formality. They can ask you to pay for the training and they do pro-rate it from how long you've worked for them. But she says that the airline has never had to go after anyone to repay it. Pretty much, you shouldn't be applying unless you really want the job....not just for free training. And since it is not binding, they cannot FORCE you to pay it...that is against law.
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Duuuhhhh... Hang on a minute. It sounds to me that you are actually a company stooge trying to make things sound rosy for the doe eyed wannabees. Are you saying that a contract is not a REAL 'binding contract' but is just a 'formality'? Wow what an amazing grasp on contract law you have...
As I understand it, HK law does not allow for a binding bond arrangement as you have just described (pro-rated reducing costs of training) - however, Australia may well have such laws. Guess it depends on where and when you sign this 'formality' and whom the other party is. If it is just a formality why do they need it at all...
Also think about abnormal situations such as unable or unwilling to complete the course through injury, illness, need to return home for extended time (death of loved ones), inability to make the grade, unsuitability to be a pilot (airsickness). Will the company feel that it is fair that you pay some or all of the training bill? A year of training on full board ain't cheap if you have to stump up for it.
As I understand it, HK law does not allow for a binding bond arrangement as you have just described (pro-rated reducing costs of training) - however, Australia may well have such laws. Guess it depends on where and when you sign this 'formality' and whom the other party is. If it is just a formality why do they need it at all...
Also think about abnormal situations such as unable or unwilling to complete the course through injury, illness, need to return home for extended time (death of loved ones), inability to make the grade, unsuitability to be a pilot (airsickness). Will the company feel that it is fair that you pay some or all of the training bill? A year of training on full board ain't cheap if you have to stump up for it.
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@CXmonkey
Yes how did u know. I'm a cathay stooge. U can't really be that slow. All I was doing is saying what I was told by recruitment during my interview. I also made it known that these words came from a recruiter and not from me. I myself am not a recruiter, therefore I don't know what will happen if you are unable to finish due to injury. I also don't know why they make you sign it and I did not think an interview was the time to get into an argument about contract law.
Next time read the full post and just take what is there instead of jumping to attack a fellow poster for no reason. I did not personally attack you on anything here, don't do it back. If you have a disagreement on something posted, then by all means speak up. I just ask that you do it professionally.
Next time read the full post and just take what is there instead of jumping to attack a fellow poster for no reason. I did not personally attack you on anything here, don't do it back. If you have a disagreement on something posted, then by all means speak up. I just ask that you do it professionally.
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CXmonkey,
Come on, you're a current CX employee? If you feel the need to 'put off' cadets, really, let's base it on proper arguments, not hearsay and scare tactics.
If you're injured, or were unlucky enough to lose a loved one, let's look at what CX currently does for crew: time off, and it's paid if it's due injury (albeit not at your full salary). Of course, if you're 'not yet paid', ie: not yet started your rating, and 'on hold' after your course in Adelaide, they might not pay you, but then they weren't up until that point anyhow.
Airplaneridesrfun:
Where on earth do you generate the argument that a student pilot, sent to training in Oz at the company's (paid) request, would require an employment visa??? That's a seriously flawed argument. If anything, they may require a training visa, and that's undoubtedly provided.
Betpump5:
You're pretty active at stirring things up, right? This is a rumour forum, to some extent, but at least have the balls to admit you were wrong.
The short course has been approved. It will start later this year. It does apply to cadets with more than 250 hours
We all know that the cadets are becoming a way for the company to recruit, without paying so much later down the road (ie the big one: housing), but lets keep this discussion factual!
Come on, you're a current CX employee? If you feel the need to 'put off' cadets, really, let's base it on proper arguments, not hearsay and scare tactics.
If you're injured, or were unlucky enough to lose a loved one, let's look at what CX currently does for crew: time off, and it's paid if it's due injury (albeit not at your full salary). Of course, if you're 'not yet paid', ie: not yet started your rating, and 'on hold' after your course in Adelaide, they might not pay you, but then they weren't up until that point anyhow.
Airplaneridesrfun:
Where on earth do you generate the argument that a student pilot, sent to training in Oz at the company's (paid) request, would require an employment visa??? That's a seriously flawed argument. If anything, they may require a training visa, and that's undoubtedly provided.
Betpump5:
You're pretty active at stirring things up, right? This is a rumour forum, to some extent, but at least have the balls to admit you were wrong.
The short course has been approved. It will start later this year. It does apply to cadets with more than 250 hours
We all know that the cadets are becoming a way for the company to recruit, without paying so much later down the road (ie the big one: housing), but lets keep this discussion factual!
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CX is so uninformed about employment visa's that it costs the company and individual employees lots of money, time, and inconvenience. Perhaps I will write the Australian authorities for clarification on the matter. I'll let you know once I find out from ' the horses mouth '.
Regardless of what happens in Australia, the US IRS is going to have a hay day with Cathay in the next year.
CX is so uninformed about employment visa's that it costs the company and individual employees lots of money, time, and inconvenience. Perhaps I will write the Australian authorities for clarification on the matter. I'll let you know once I find out from ' the horses mouth '.
Regardless of what happens in Australia, the US IRS is going to have a hay day with Cathay in the next year.
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Arrfun:
In my opinion, CX's misdemeanors with visa's are mainly 'financial' - ie: if they can find a way out of paying something, they will. But that only means they pass the buck when they can get away with it, or make the crewmember pay. In the end they normally completely cover their own ass. The big cargo fine last year, being a notable exception!
If you really feel the need to find out 'from the horses mouth', re: training visas, by all means, go ahead. If that was intended as a threat, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Let us all know what you find out. I'll bet that since CX has been training in Oz so long now (15+ yrs), they've got it covered.
Regarding trouble with US/Canada pilots, they already have things sorted in Canada - onshoring is complete.
As far as I understand it, with the US IRS, it's the crews that will always be responsible for their own taxes. As an overseas employer, I hear the IRS isn't too worried about CX. Do you know different?
Anyway, this is getting way off topic of the original thread...
In my opinion, CX's misdemeanors with visa's are mainly 'financial' - ie: if they can find a way out of paying something, they will. But that only means they pass the buck when they can get away with it, or make the crewmember pay. In the end they normally completely cover their own ass. The big cargo fine last year, being a notable exception!
If you really feel the need to find out 'from the horses mouth', re: training visas, by all means, go ahead. If that was intended as a threat, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Let us all know what you find out. I'll bet that since CX has been training in Oz so long now (15+ yrs), they've got it covered.
Regarding trouble with US/Canada pilots, they already have things sorted in Canada - onshoring is complete.
As far as I understand it, with the US IRS, it's the crews that will always be responsible for their own taxes. As an overseas employer, I hear the IRS isn't too worried about CX. Do you know different?
Anyway, this is getting way off topic of the original thread...
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Australian Visas for Cadets
There is no great mystique about this topic. Simply log in to the FTA web site, look under section for "Private Aviation Training", then sub heading for "Overseas Students". This should assist. A student visa is the obvious requirement !!!