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Well said CB, I hope those who did not understand your disapproval of the CX cadetship before can understand where you guys are coming from. It's not the casetships, it's the lowering of the standards and that's what this current CX cadetship has done. As for the likes of the VA casetship I hope cadets will not get paid less than line pilots once checked to line. The you being lucky statement was wrongly worded on my part, I do apologize. I meant the luck you had was in the external things you couldn't control, like your company was hiring at the time (could have frozen recruitment), and was offering a good package (could have offered a crap package) etc, everything else is definitely kudos to your hard work no doubt. Since you're probably more in the loop than some CX pilots about CX, what do you think CX will do when these iCadets are competitive for other airlines? Improve the package and/or bring back B-scale? Would you apply for CX again if they brought back B-scale?
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It has indeed been a lull. But definitely an interesting read. I can only safely come out here and say this because I had done my homework, studied the legacy carriers as well as LCCs and applied and got accepted. Jetstar, SQ ,silkair and CX were all placed before me. This recent thread started on jetstar's requirements for HK but did anyone actually know what was paid to an FO? Well I have seen their packages for JetstarAsia in Singapore and for the position offered to me as an SFO. It is less than an SO pay in CX...albeit we make Captain in 3years..but it's still an LCC. Those Ho have worked there will explain the subtle differences with walkaroud checks. No meals provided on board etc. Whereas with Singapore Airlines, all FOs start as cadets. Most are Asian from Singapore, Malaysia and most recently India. Now these are indeed zero hours guy with the same places for training like perth and marrochydoore with similar databases for ATPLs. But then again, there are not many threads out there that I could find complaining of their standards and abilities.
I do agree with some of the points noted and I equally sense the frustration of brand new cadets who don't have much of a chance getting the experience that has been mentioned so many times here.
With youth and frustration comes lack of emotional control and outbursts. My only advice to you guys is that it's your life and choice. Complaining about anything or voicing out to who that doesn't care what u think does not make you a better pilot. Just dig your heels in and be as good as you can be. Emulate from the senior guys, carry on the tradition of good airmanship that has been 'perceived' lost or non existent by Gen Y. I joined CX with a background. I accepted the terms cos I planned for it. But everything said about cost and lifestyle is true. No airline pays B scales anymore. Choose wisely and informed
I do agree with some of the points noted and I equally sense the frustration of brand new cadets who don't have much of a chance getting the experience that has been mentioned so many times here.
With youth and frustration comes lack of emotional control and outbursts. My only advice to you guys is that it's your life and choice. Complaining about anything or voicing out to who that doesn't care what u think does not make you a better pilot. Just dig your heels in and be as good as you can be. Emulate from the senior guys, carry on the tradition of good airmanship that has been 'perceived' lost or non existent by Gen Y. I joined CX with a background. I accepted the terms cos I planned for it. But everything said about cost and lifestyle is true. No airline pays B scales anymore. Choose wisely and informed
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I don't think I'm in the loop better than other CX pilots, just that I know the process of interview as I went through it, know what both contracts are worth and also know what else is out there. I did my research into it all exceptionally thoroughly as anyone should when determining their career path. (Which is unlike all too many on this thread).
As has been said, if everyone walked away from the iCadetship CX would be forced to increase the pay. Supply and demand. As it stands the AOA states that CX are desperately short of qualified applicants and is already suffering. The 777 CP has offered / asked the 777 pilots to "do deals" with rostering to keep things afloat.... The AOA attributes CX's present crewing issues directly at C-Scale.
Even if CX offered me A-Scale I would not re-apply. I'm (not much) over 30 and the dream of most pilots is to hold a (widebody) Command. Due the seniority system that I respect and where it would place me I would be lucky to achieve my goal, and if so for not too long before retirement. CX does not satisfy that career goal for me. Plus, with CX's long history of failing to honour black and white contracts I know I could not trust them with my career as they are constantly looking at ways to cut & slash pilots T's & C's. One's past behaviour is the greatest indicator of one's future behaviour.
Will the present flock of iCadets jump ship when after their 6 year bond? Most can't even if they wanted to. They will have to build ICAO recognised hours starting from where they left Adelaide as all hours under the P2X are useless outside of the CX umbrella. So, as per my previous posts they are bound to CX for at least another 2 to even 4 years after the bonded period to build hours to go somewhere else. And then what? Join the bottom of another airline's seniority list? Not to mention he's competing for jobs against other pilots the same age with double to triple the amount of ICAO recognised hours.
So you see, look long term and appreciate the big picture.
As has been said, if everyone walked away from the iCadetship CX would be forced to increase the pay. Supply and demand. As it stands the AOA states that CX are desperately short of qualified applicants and is already suffering. The 777 CP has offered / asked the 777 pilots to "do deals" with rostering to keep things afloat.... The AOA attributes CX's present crewing issues directly at C-Scale.
Even if CX offered me A-Scale I would not re-apply. I'm (not much) over 30 and the dream of most pilots is to hold a (widebody) Command. Due the seniority system that I respect and where it would place me I would be lucky to achieve my goal, and if so for not too long before retirement. CX does not satisfy that career goal for me. Plus, with CX's long history of failing to honour black and white contracts I know I could not trust them with my career as they are constantly looking at ways to cut & slash pilots T's & C's. One's past behaviour is the greatest indicator of one's future behaviour.
Will the present flock of iCadets jump ship when after their 6 year bond? Most can't even if they wanted to. They will have to build ICAO recognised hours starting from where they left Adelaide as all hours under the P2X are useless outside of the CX umbrella. So, as per my previous posts they are bound to CX for at least another 2 to even 4 years after the bonded period to build hours to go somewhere else. And then what? Join the bottom of another airline's seniority list? Not to mention he's competing for jobs against other pilots the same age with double to triple the amount of ICAO recognised hours.
So you see, look long term and appreciate the big picture.
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Dear all,
Sorry to raise an out-of-track question, who is going to have the CX stage 2 interview on the 24th of Sept, 2012?
I would like to see if I could meet up with the candidates who will have the interview on that day for a practice session, especially on flight plan and group exercise.
Thanks a lot!
Andy
PM me or email me at [email protected] if you are interested. Thanks!
Sorry to raise an out-of-track question, who is going to have the CX stage 2 interview on the 24th of Sept, 2012?
I would like to see if I could meet up with the candidates who will have the interview on that day for a practice session, especially on flight plan and group exercise.
Thanks a lot!
Andy
PM me or email me at [email protected] if you are interested. Thanks!
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Hey everyone. I can see there are a lot of people attending the interview in Sept so I wonder when did you guys submit the application? I did it in May and didn't hear anything from CX yet.
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Shae and Sonsama:
If you don't have HKID and you are applying for ab-initio, then the chance of getting invited is slim.
Shae, If you have HKID, expect to wait for 1 - 2 more months. I applied in early 2012 and got invited for the first stage in late May.
If you don't have HKID and you are applying for ab-initio, then the chance of getting invited is slim.
Shae, If you have HKID, expect to wait for 1 - 2 more months. I applied in early 2012 and got invited for the first stage in late May.
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So you fly for CX, then? You've yet to master the basics of grammar, yet we're expected to trust you at the controls of a jet airliner? If you are at all representative of the quality of cadet that CX is taking on, then you are unwittingly validating CB's argument.
@CB - how many years have you been haunting this thread now?!
@ any other hopefuls - by all means take advantage of this magnificent opportunity that Cathay is offering you - airline interview practice. This experience will be invaluable later on when applying for a real job!
[edit]Did a whole bunch of posts get deleted? Because this post looks a little out of place now[/edit]
@CB - how many years have you been haunting this thread now?!
@ any other hopefuls - by all means take advantage of this magnificent opportunity that Cathay is offering you - airline interview practice. This experience will be invaluable later on when applying for a real job!
[edit]Did a whole bunch of posts get deleted? Because this post looks a little out of place now[/edit]
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Yeah - it seems like all of this kid's posts have all gone, even his latest speil on advising us all on circling approaches again.
What a way to make so many enemies so quickly, so willingly and so proudly.
I saw his latest post here prior to it being deleted and decided to take the advice of a guy with more experience with CX and probably airline time (STP) and hence not bite back. Am proud to say his advice was spot on.
I reckon I could also take the advice of others more junior to me as well, like hihi
. Cheers mate..... I hope all is working out OK since the last PM's a while ago.
What a way to make so many enemies so quickly, so willingly and so proudly.
I saw his latest post here prior to it being deleted and decided to take the advice of a guy with more experience with CX and probably airline time (STP) and hence not bite back. Am proud to say his advice was spot on.
I reckon I could also take the advice of others more junior to me as well, like hihi
. Cheers mate..... I hope all is working out OK since the last PM's a while ago.
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Transition Training Sim Assessment
Has anyone done the sim assessment recently?
Back when my friends did it, the profile was the old DESO profile, ie the usual stuff with an engine failure scenario at the end.
In my interview brief the notes about the sim assessment are different to those my friends got before. There is no word about engine failures, or asymmetric handling as there is in the old version.
More worryingly, there is also no mention of a practice session before the assessment.
Anyone done this in the last few months? Help!
Back when my friends did it, the profile was the old DESO profile, ie the usual stuff with an engine failure scenario at the end.
In my interview brief the notes about the sim assessment are different to those my friends got before. There is no word about engine failures, or asymmetric handling as there is in the old version.
More worryingly, there is also no mention of a practice session before the assessment.
Anyone done this in the last few months? Help!
The DESO profile never included an engine failure or a practice session...
The only difference is that you make about half the money compared to a DESO...but you now need a lot less than half the experience...
The only difference is that you make about half the money compared to a DESO...but you now need a lot less than half the experience...
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Would also Like to hear from anyone that has information on the Transition Sim Check for stage 2...
And CB, seriously mate, you need to let this go, your just painting a picture of yourself as a very cranky, angry & sour individual. We've all heard your piece a thousand times & appreciate your thoughts, But its time to let this one go...
And CB, seriously mate, you need to let this go, your just painting a picture of yourself as a very cranky, angry & sour individual. We've all heard your piece a thousand times & appreciate your thoughts, But its time to let this one go...
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Largely cut and pasted from the other thread due the dual bitch slap....
I had left it alone you ignorant brat. Then you cheap shot from behind. You ask for information but only want one side of the story. Someone asked if there was an engine failure for the DESO sim, and there was. I gave 95% of the profile for you. It was the last comment which was not appreciated, obviously. Raw nerves....?? Mental pigmies like you choose to keep a war going when I was content to leave it alone.
You've been asking for stage 2 tips since Nov '11 for some supposed stage 2 interview in Jan '12. Still confused? More deluded but it's got to be expected when you're just so goddam childish.
Leave it alone kid and I will. You want information? I suppose you'll blame me for passing this along as well...??
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...g-joining.html
I had left it alone you ignorant brat. Then you cheap shot from behind. You ask for information but only want one side of the story. Someone asked if there was an engine failure for the DESO sim, and there was. I gave 95% of the profile for you. It was the last comment which was not appreciated, obviously. Raw nerves....?? Mental pigmies like you choose to keep a war going when I was content to leave it alone.
You've been asking for stage 2 tips since Nov '11 for some supposed stage 2 interview in Jan '12. Still confused? More deluded but it's got to be expected when you're just so goddam childish.
Leave it alone kid and I will. You want information? I suppose you'll blame me for passing this along as well...??
http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...g-joining.html
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Mine is on the 14th. Is your initial interview consist of A and B. A being the 45 min multiple choice and 90 min compass aptitude test? Best of luck!
Mine is on the 14th. Is your initial interview consist of A and B. A being the 45 min multiple choice and 90 min compass aptitude test? Best of luck!