CX/KA recruitment suspension
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Land of wine and roses
Age: 49
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Back to the thread...
Director of Flight Ops (DFO Nick Rhodes) announced today that the recruiting freeze will only affect ground staff and not pilot recruitment.
The Boeing factory strike will delay all B777 and 74 arrivals by at least 3 months (which will lead to a delay in pilot intake requirements and upgrades) but the company still intends to recruit 100 pilots in 2009 (less than I thought) and 250+ in 2010.
Director of Flight Ops (DFO Nick Rhodes) announced today that the recruiting freeze will only affect ground staff and not pilot recruitment.
The Boeing factory strike will delay all B777 and 74 arrivals by at least 3 months (which will lead to a delay in pilot intake requirements and upgrades) but the company still intends to recruit 100 pilots in 2009 (less than I thought) and 250+ in 2010.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: hertfordshire
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Interesting, I had my interview cancelled/suspended in September. I applied for Defo LHR.
Fyi LoCo Captain 4000+.
Sleeze of wizard - If Cathay Pacific did not recruit defo then they would get next to no applications from persons like myself which would mean they would struggle to crew the aircraft. Why? I am not joining as a cruise pilot earning less than half what I do now and a five year wait before I allowed to touch anything. Just the way it is...
Fyi LoCo Captain 4000+.
Sleeze of wizard - If Cathay Pacific did not recruit defo then they would get next to no applications from persons like myself which would mean they would struggle to crew the aircraft. Why? I am not joining as a cruise pilot earning less than half what I do now and a five year wait before I allowed to touch anything. Just the way it is...
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FYI
eagerbeaver1, Cathay has never had a problem finding qualified applicants.
Your 4000+ hours are about on par with the experience of the S/O's I joined with. We enjoyed a 2 year, 8 month holiday before upgrading to F/O.
I'm pretty sure I earn more than you do and enjoy around 14 days off per month.
Hong Kong and Cathay Pacific is not for everybody but perhaps ego is clouding your view of things?
Cronus
Your 4000+ hours are about on par with the experience of the S/O's I joined with. We enjoyed a 2 year, 8 month holiday before upgrading to F/O.
I'm pretty sure I earn more than you do and enjoy around 14 days off per month.
Hong Kong and Cathay Pacific is not for everybody but perhaps ego is clouding your view of things?
Cronus
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: hertfordshire
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cronus - Ego? No. What I said is a fact. No way someone with 4000+ hours and P1 time would join as a cruise pilot which is what I understand a second officer to be in CX.
"The primary functions of the Second Officer are to act as a cruise relief pilot, to monitor all facets of the operation and to support the crew." - direct from Cathay career website.
I have the book which helps you with the selection process and I have seen the pay scales. I belive I would join on the "O" scale which was not as competitive as I would have thought..
Badairsucker - There are minimum requirements which I meet. I was providing and opinion to the wizard chap who does not like people like myself joining as Defo, which I understand why.
"The primary functions of the Second Officer are to act as a cruise relief pilot, to monitor all facets of the operation and to support the crew." - direct from Cathay career website.
I have the book which helps you with the selection process and I have seen the pay scales. I belive I would join on the "O" scale which was not as competitive as I would have thought..
Badairsucker - There are minimum requirements which I meet. I was providing and opinion to the wizard chap who does not like people like myself joining as Defo, which I understand why.
eagerbeaver1
You aren’t even here and you are trying to tell us that no one with 4000 hours P1 time would join CX as an SO. “WRONG” You might want to ask and take notice of some that work for CX when they say that +4000 hours is common for SO’s that join CX. When I joined the lowest time guy was about 4000 and the highest was 9000. Most came from other airlines in North America, Europe and Australia. Two of the guys close to my course were ex-military instructors on F111’s and FA18’s. A lot of the SO’s I seem to fly with now are from LoCo’s in Europe and ex-military transport guys.
You may not like it when some SO’s try and persuade some on here not to accept the DEFO path but you have got to look at it from their perspective. To them the company is in breach of their contract because “bye-pass” pay isn’t being paid every time a DEFO is employed. They are having their upgrades delayed and some that had plans to go on a base once they did upgrade have had the rug pulled from under them because the bases are now full with DEFO's.
If you do make it to CX a little humility might go a long way. The experience in the SO ranks is generally considerable and one day most of them will be you captain while you are still an FO.
You aren’t even here and you are trying to tell us that no one with 4000 hours P1 time would join CX as an SO. “WRONG” You might want to ask and take notice of some that work for CX when they say that +4000 hours is common for SO’s that join CX. When I joined the lowest time guy was about 4000 and the highest was 9000. Most came from other airlines in North America, Europe and Australia. Two of the guys close to my course were ex-military instructors on F111’s and FA18’s. A lot of the SO’s I seem to fly with now are from LoCo’s in Europe and ex-military transport guys.
You may not like it when some SO’s try and persuade some on here not to accept the DEFO path but you have got to look at it from their perspective. To them the company is in breach of their contract because “bye-pass” pay isn’t being paid every time a DEFO is employed. They are having their upgrades delayed and some that had plans to go on a base once they did upgrade have had the rug pulled from under them because the bases are now full with DEFO's.
If you do make it to CX a little humility might go a long way. The experience in the SO ranks is generally considerable and one day most of them will be you captain while you are still an FO.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: hertfordshire
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Titan, so you have brought to my attention three people out of how many SO? Hundreds I would guess. These chaps who flew in the RAAF may only have had a CPL or just the minimum civilian experience therefore ineligible for a FO position.
I have no knowledge of CX terms and condition with regards to "bye pass".
Humility/ego? enough.
I have no knowledge of CX terms and condition with regards to "bye pass".
Humility/ego? enough.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Eagerpussy.....
If you ever fly with me, be assured that you will be the cruise pilot. Don't care if you've got 4000 hours.... Most S/O's have more than you so button your lip. You ain't touching anything. Be warned, there is a lot of friction here, and a lot of pilots have been disadvantaged by DEFO's and DEC's, so yes, please be humble and shut your mouth.
If you ever fly with me, be assured that you will be the cruise pilot. Don't care if you've got 4000 hours.... Most S/O's have more than you so button your lip. You ain't touching anything. Be warned, there is a lot of friction here, and a lot of pilots have been disadvantaged by DEFO's and DEC's, so yes, please be humble and shut your mouth.
eagerbeaver1
You’re digging yourself into a hole here. The RAAF guys I was referring to were fast jet instructors. They had ICAO ATPL’s just like most DESO’s do. That made them automatic candidates as DEFO’s on the freighter fleet at the time. Both of them were offered DEFO positions on an Aus base but declined them for DESO positions in HK.
I find it fascinating you really want to debate me on the experience levels of DESO’s. To me it demonstrates a level of arrogance I haven’t seen for quite some time. For the record when I tell you what the experience level is, it is from direct knowledge having flown with a great number of them and from my time in the recruitment department a few years ago. Your knowledge is based on nothing more than the fact you wouldn’t do the job. That’s all well and good but the world doesn’t revolve around what you would do. You need to understand people come here for many different reasons and one of them is lifestyle and the lifestyle of an SO can be very appealing.
While I think of it, have you considered what the job of DEFO on a base will entail? Don’t think for one minute you will get every second sector. You will spend most of your career here until you get your command as the RPIC, i.e. Relief Pilot In Charge or as some here refer as the glorified SO. You will be lucky to get one sector a month which is not much more that a SO, mind you his is in the sim.
You’re digging yourself into a hole here. The RAAF guys I was referring to were fast jet instructors. They had ICAO ATPL’s just like most DESO’s do. That made them automatic candidates as DEFO’s on the freighter fleet at the time. Both of them were offered DEFO positions on an Aus base but declined them for DESO positions in HK.
I find it fascinating you really want to debate me on the experience levels of DESO’s. To me it demonstrates a level of arrogance I haven’t seen for quite some time. For the record when I tell you what the experience level is, it is from direct knowledge having flown with a great number of them and from my time in the recruitment department a few years ago. Your knowledge is based on nothing more than the fact you wouldn’t do the job. That’s all well and good but the world doesn’t revolve around what you would do. You need to understand people come here for many different reasons and one of them is lifestyle and the lifestyle of an SO can be very appealing.
While I think of it, have you considered what the job of DEFO on a base will entail? Don’t think for one minute you will get every second sector. You will spend most of your career here until you get your command as the RPIC, i.e. Relief Pilot In Charge or as some here refer as the glorified SO. You will be lucky to get one sector a month which is not much more that a SO, mind you his is in the sim.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NT
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by fb777
Heard of a few aussies being told not to go to round 2 due to recruitment freeze and that they'd be looking at a March round 2..
Any others hearing similar?
Any others hearing similar?
I will post more if i hear more
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: hertfordshire
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nice try sleeze of wizard. Are you telling me after 2 years and 8 months of cruise piloting you are now able to decide the crew rotation? Hows that lovely jumpseat?
Titan - I agree with you on the problems with recruiting DEC/DEFO.
Titan - I agree with you on the problems with recruiting DEC/DEFO.
.......... Jumpseat is nice and warm for you....
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: HKG
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Eagerbeaver - just so you know - when I joined as an SO - out of the sixteen guys in training with me 14 had more than 3500 hours and jet time. Several came off 747's but chose CX because of lifestyle and hopefully better career prospects.
So even though some of them are going to watch you fly (and steal their upgrade) while they sit on their hands in the back seat - you are going to wait 15 years till all these guys are captains before you get a CX command - and untill then why don't you pipe down.
And for your information - the ONLY reason CX is taking direct entry FO is because the company grew too fast recently and the training couldn't keep up with the demand - NOT due to a lack of suitable SO 's to upgrade.
So even though some of them are going to watch you fly (and steal their upgrade) while they sit on their hands in the back seat - you are going to wait 15 years till all these guys are captains before you get a CX command - and untill then why don't you pipe down.
And for your information - the ONLY reason CX is taking direct entry FO is because the company grew too fast recently and the training couldn't keep up with the demand - NOT due to a lack of suitable SO 's to upgrade.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: HKG
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
When the SO thing was started - 15 or so years ago - it was a cost saving exercise. All SO's then had to be young and single and it was a huge break for a 23 year old.
Things have changed. SO's in HKG now cost the company the equivalent - or more if they have kids who get school allowances - than a DEFO on a base. Once an SO has done two years and go on the full housing allowance - which alone is about US $ 9000 a month - it gets expensive.
This is one of the main reasons for DEFO. They actually save money on pay/allowances AND they save on training. When you hire a DEFO its is one training course - when you upgrdae and SO to FO you also have to repace the SO which makes two training courses. So its all about saving some cash and saving some training.
In the process career progression and contracts get violated.
Things have changed. SO's in HKG now cost the company the equivalent - or more if they have kids who get school allowances - than a DEFO on a base. Once an SO has done two years and go on the full housing allowance - which alone is about US $ 9000 a month - it gets expensive.
This is one of the main reasons for DEFO. They actually save money on pay/allowances AND they save on training. When you hire a DEFO its is one training course - when you upgrdae and SO to FO you also have to repace the SO which makes two training courses. So its all about saving some cash and saving some training.
In the process career progression and contracts get violated.
