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Originally Posted by ROO-C26B
Latest news: Air China Cargo, China Cargo Airlines and Dragonair to merge .
This is going to be very interesting
This is going to be very interesting
Moral of the story: Who do you believe and what do you believe. Everyone seems to be pulling the wool over their eyes!!
Extracts from an article in today's SCMP.
Air China yesterday confirmed that it was in talks with China Cargo Airlines (CCA) about the potential for future ''business co-operation'' with it's freight division, Air China Cargo.
''The two companies are in contact in regards to the potential for future business co-operation'' said Rao Xinyu, head of investor relations for Air China. ''On whether or not a merger will be the result, we have no comment''.
Xinhua, citing a weekend report in the Economic Observer, said the company created by the merger of Air China Cargo and CCA would also envelop by the end of the year the cargo division of Hong Kong Dragon Airlines (Dragonair).
Dragonair's chief executive Stanley Hui Hon-chung was not aware of the supposed merger yesterday, according to an official for the company. Air China officials too, were suprised by the report.
''It's true there are discussions (with CCA) but I see no reason why Dragonair has been inclued'' Ms Rao said. Asked if Dragonair is in anyway involved, she said ''No''.
Air China yesterday confirmed that it was in talks with China Cargo Airlines (CCA) about the potential for future ''business co-operation'' with it's freight division, Air China Cargo.
''The two companies are in contact in regards to the potential for future business co-operation'' said Rao Xinyu, head of investor relations for Air China. ''On whether or not a merger will be the result, we have no comment''.
Xinhua, citing a weekend report in the Economic Observer, said the company created by the merger of Air China Cargo and CCA would also envelop by the end of the year the cargo division of Hong Kong Dragon Airlines (Dragonair).
Dragonair's chief executive Stanley Hui Hon-chung was not aware of the supposed merger yesterday, according to an official for the company. Air China officials too, were suprised by the report.
''It's true there are discussions (with CCA) but I see no reason why Dragonair has been inclued'' Ms Rao said. Asked if Dragonair is in anyway involved, she said ''No''.
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No wonder they wanted to keep the freight and pax fleet crewing separate!
Freight to Air China Cargo Co and China Cargo Airlines Ltd, and the pax fleet to Cathay?
This will be interesting to watch!
Freight to Air China Cargo Co and China Cargo Airlines Ltd, and the pax fleet to Cathay?
This will be interesting to watch!
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The original requirement was for USA bases. Then came the 'USA base with a Hong Kong report' and now we have just 'Hong Kong report'. The T's and C's offered to existing KA pilots for this deal mention that any gratuity will have the company MPF contribution deducted. So this deal is for a Hong Kong base - on the new C scale!
Although the offer mentioned positioning time, don't believe it until you see it in your contract. Of course when you see first the contract it will probably be on day one when you're committed. Then you're rooted! You will be working what is allowed by the FTLs
Although the offer mentioned positioning time, don't believe it until you see it in your contract. Of course when you see first the contract it will probably be on day one when you're committed. Then you're rooted! You will be working what is allowed by the FTLs
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Draw your own conclusions!
Originally Posted by McDull
The original requirement was for USA bases. Then came the 'USA base with a Hong Kong report' and now we have just 'Hong Kong report'. The T's and C's offered to existing KA pilots for this deal mention that any gratuity will have the company MPF contribution deducted. So this deal is for a Hong Kong base - on the new C scale!
Although the offer mentioned positioning time, don't believe it until you see it in your contract. Of course when you see first the contract it will probably be on day one when you're committed. Then you're rooted! You will be working what is allowed by the FTLs
Although the offer mentioned positioning time, don't believe it until you see it in your contract. Of course when you see first the contract it will probably be on day one when you're committed. Then you're rooted! You will be working what is allowed by the FTLs
We write to acknowledge receipt of your application letter in response to
our March 2006 advertisement for Flight Crew positions B747-400.
We thank you for your interest in our company and the
positions advertised. However, and given the number of
applications received for positions with a Hong Kong rather
than a North American point of report we are currently
re-considering the need for any positions reporting for duty
at Los Angeles or New York.
We will, however, keep your application on record and let you
know in the event we decide to commence operations reporting
to Los Angeles or New York and in the event a decision is
made at that time to consider your particular application
further.
Thank you again for your interest
Yours faithfully,
Doris Au
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All a bit academic now with the take over. Are they paying for you to get to HKG for the interview? It will be a pity to travel there just to be told that all recruitment is suspended pending the restructure!
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The word 'pawn' was used early in this thread. It seems to have been very appropriate.
I suggest that all of you hoping and aspiring to join this operation have been used-up big-time by KA management. Just as previous posters here in KA mainline tried to warn you. It's happened faster than expected, that's all.
While the backroom deal was being constructed (CX to buy KA) it was important to 'keep up appearances'. Pretending to recruit self-interested outsiders did the trick.
Now the 744's will doubtless go to CX, and all your hopes and aspirations will evaporate. If there is any saving grace - you got saved, by circumstances, not good judgement from becoming scabs.
I suggest that all of you hoping and aspiring to join this operation have been used-up big-time by KA management. Just as previous posters here in KA mainline tried to warn you. It's happened faster than expected, that's all.
While the backroom deal was being constructed (CX to buy KA) it was important to 'keep up appearances'. Pretending to recruit self-interested outsiders did the trick.
Now the 744's will doubtless go to CX, and all your hopes and aspirations will evaporate. If there is any saving grace - you got saved, by circumstances, not good judgement from becoming scabs.
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Plasma,
I called today also spoke to Miss Cheng, as quote "There will not be any side effects on the hiring. If the take over succeeded those whom are hired will stay on."
Cheers!
I called today also spoke to Miss Cheng, as quote "There will not be any side effects on the hiring. If the take over succeeded those whom are hired will stay on."
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by Fly747
All a bit academic now with the take over. Are they paying for you to get to HKG for the interview? It will be a pity to travel there just to be told that all recruitment is suspended pending the restructure!
Pawn, saved etc.? Again, maybe, maybe not. I take every application nowadays with a pinch of salt (maybe I've been in the industry too long) and don't expect too much and if it happens, it's a bonus. They play games and so do I sometimes. Any interview is a two-way street - or should be. The purpose is to see whether youwould want it in the end. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a candidate turning down a job - even good ones, if it does not meet your criteria. I'm not sure what this "herd" mentality is that you must attend every interview you have gotten or that you have to be devasted that you were not successful. That's life, pure and simple! Besides, as as been eloquently illustrated here on this thread, everyone has a self-interest and their own agendas. Again, that is nothing new, particularly in this business.
As mentioned above, I was emailed TWICE to say that interviews are suspended for the time being. So, there is no question of having to travel to HKG to be told the same!
It was an opportunity, the company made the solicitation by placing the ad which required certain specifics - all of which I met. I was interested but realized it was probably a long shot, nothing more. Therefore, I am not upset, life's too short for that. Been there, done that and yes, got the T-shirt, too
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Plasma & Roo,
Just something else to think about. The people interviewing you are quite possibly ex 89'ers, they will interview you, sure, but as per the KA policy, they do not need an excuse not to hire you. All they have to say is "no" and you will be sent the not successful letter. And believe it or not, they are still grumpy about 89.
Also Miss cheng is a clerk who may not know the full story. Just something to think about is all. Take it or leave it.
Just something else to think about. The people interviewing you are quite possibly ex 89'ers, they will interview you, sure, but as per the KA policy, they do not need an excuse not to hire you. All they have to say is "no" and you will be sent the not successful letter. And believe it or not, they are still grumpy about 89.
Also Miss cheng is a clerk who may not know the full story. Just something to think about is all. Take it or leave it.
Alexb757
Good post mate. I like your attitude. Not enough realists in this game any more.
The only positive of attending as many interviews as possible - you get better at interviews and learn how to answer questions better.
And yes Miss Chen is a clerk - she really knows no more than anyone else - and believe me, even flight ops management right up to the GMO know sweet FA of merger ramifications. So Miss Chen has to say something - take it all with a grain of salt.
Good post mate. I like your attitude. Not enough realists in this game any more.
The only positive of attending as many interviews as possible - you get better at interviews and learn how to answer questions better.
And yes Miss Chen is a clerk - she really knows no more than anyone else - and believe me, even flight ops management right up to the GMO know sweet FA of merger ramifications. So Miss Chen has to say something - take it all with a grain of salt.
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Just a query.....
The word "scab" gets used quite often here. I always thought you are only a scab if you take a position from someone (or organisation) who is on strike or on the picket lines so to speak. I don't see anyone on strike here....there are no picket lines....so why are they scabs?
The word "scab" gets used quite often here. I always thought you are only a scab if you take a position from someone (or organisation) who is on strike or on the picket lines so to speak. I don't see anyone on strike here....there are no picket lines....so why are they scabs?
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As Alexb757 have said, I will treat this as an interview experience. If I get it a bonus if not it will be an experience.
In regards to the take-over by CX one cannot specular what might CX would do, operates KA as a seperate entity or merge it to the CX brand name. I would think CX would operates KA as a seperate entity, think about the seniority issue and COS alignment.
Whatever happens at my interview with FCS it will be an experience added to my interview credentials.
Those who are attending the interview wish you all good luck!
Cheers
Monk, Good point buddy!
Trevor, thanks for the advise!
In regards to the take-over by CX one cannot specular what might CX would do, operates KA as a seperate entity or merge it to the CX brand name. I would think CX would operates KA as a seperate entity, think about the seniority issue and COS alignment.
Whatever happens at my interview with FCS it will be an experience added to my interview credentials.
Those who are attending the interview wish you all good luck!
Cheers
Monk, Good point buddy!
Trevor, thanks for the advise!
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You seem to be having some difficulty grasping the fact that you will not be working for Dragonair. All this ambition to work for a company and you're applying for something else. A certain lack of foresight here. It may be Dragonair painted on the aircraft, but it will NOT be Dragonair.
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Old news now! Who knows what will happen.
Will it be Air China with the new CX joint venture? But FCS will probably cease to exist well before any takers even start their course. I guess they will just drop this 400 recruitment anyway.
Will it be Air China with the new CX joint venture? But FCS will probably cease to exist well before any takers even start their course. I guess they will just drop this 400 recruitment anyway.
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It's in the press somewhere that the KA branding will only be kept for 6 more years (2012) therefore I assume that the two companys will have to be merged prior to this.
It could be mean that it will take 6 years for CX to repaint the entire KA fleet.
The last KA A/C (probably freshly painted yesterday in KA colours) won't, as you'd expect see the hangar for it's next D check for guess what 5-6 years.
It could be mean that it will take 6 years for CX to repaint the entire KA fleet.
The last KA A/C (probably freshly painted yesterday in KA colours) won't, as you'd expect see the hangar for it's next D check for guess what 5-6 years.