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Originally Posted by Fly747
Plasma what do you not understand about the fact YOU ARE NOT BEING OFFERED A JOB WITH DRAGONAIR. You will not transfer to Airbus because they will want to keep you in Flight Crew Services where you have been daft enough to accept a job. If you want our package then apply to join Dragonair.
PB I suspect the sim will be on Airbus.
PB I suspect the sim will be on Airbus.
I DID APPLY FOR DRAGON MAINLINE,
I am being offered this.
If I call KA and tell them to piss off about this, will that get me on mainline? Come on mate, you know that would only ensure I NEVER get interviewed for mainline.
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Originally Posted by Dashtrash
Trevor,
Remember 89'???? Why don't you and merry brothers f@cking get over it!
Remember 89'???? Why don't you and merry brothers f@cking get over it!
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Gentlemans,
Can't you all see the core of the matter is that those KA pilots cannot get what they want to fly the B744 and pulled a fast one on the rest of us. It got nothing to do with seniority to command, real bullsh#t! Real shame that these pilot hide before an IFALPA ban. If these guys are earning that much so why the BIG FUSS!!!!!!!! Take a look at SIA, MAS, CX, ANA they all have a cargo divison operates as seperate company. Face reality guys you will never win. This is Asia not US or Europe nor Middle East get used to it! So selfish just to ruin it for those who wanted to progress.
Plasma and Dashtrash, well said!
Can't you all see the core of the matter is that those KA pilots cannot get what they want to fly the B744 and pulled a fast one on the rest of us. It got nothing to do with seniority to command, real bullsh#t! Real shame that these pilot hide before an IFALPA ban. If these guys are earning that much so why the BIG FUSS!!!!!!!! Take a look at SIA, MAS, CX, ANA they all have a cargo divison operates as seperate company. Face reality guys you will never win. This is Asia not US or Europe nor Middle East get used to it! So selfish just to ruin it for those who wanted to progress.
Plasma and Dashtrash, well said!
Plasma, Dashtrash, Roo,
You guys don't see the point. We are not against you per se. We are against KA doing what they are not legally and fairly entitled to do. 89 is not a shot duck because it is all happening all over again.
We are not hiding behind an IFALPA ban. It is just one weapon being used.
You guys really really mis the whole point of what is going on. There is no point trying to make you clowns see logic.
For ****'s sake - I hope you all get the job, you will soon realise you have ****** up, you will be broke, you will be branded a scab (because that's what you all are), you will be misearable, and when you try to leave all that will be available will be China or India, and when you are all laid off with the High Court's ruling against KA you will all cry foul.
You guys know the risks.
And me and all my honorable mates in KA will be laughing our guts out.
You are all as dumb as your log books are skinny.
You guys don't see the point. We are not against you per se. We are against KA doing what they are not legally and fairly entitled to do. 89 is not a shot duck because it is all happening all over again.
We are not hiding behind an IFALPA ban. It is just one weapon being used.
You guys really really mis the whole point of what is going on. There is no point trying to make you clowns see logic.
For ****'s sake - I hope you all get the job, you will soon realise you have ****** up, you will be broke, you will be branded a scab (because that's what you all are), you will be misearable, and when you try to leave all that will be available will be China or India, and when you are all laid off with the High Court's ruling against KA you will all cry foul.
You guys know the risks.
And me and all my honorable mates in KA will be laughing our guts out.
You are all as dumb as your log books are skinny.
and one more thing Roo.
Youa asked in an earlier post for the real facts. I actually thought maybe you were smart enough to look at it objectively. WRONG.
How are we the selfish ones when our company brings in new aircraft and says but you guys can't fly them. This is our company. We are not trying to halt your progression at all. AND IT IS ABOUT OUR SENIORITY AND PROGRESSION TO COMMAND. Read my earlier post - 5 new aircraft means 50 pilots to go across, which means 50 slots off the Airbus . Which means 25 commands on the bus, one of them mine, AND 25 new F/O's off the street,maybe you guys, on present COS, no run down of pay.
How can you possible say it is not about progression to command. You are so naive.
Youa asked in an earlier post for the real facts. I actually thought maybe you were smart enough to look at it objectively. WRONG.
How are we the selfish ones when our company brings in new aircraft and says but you guys can't fly them. This is our company. We are not trying to halt your progression at all. AND IT IS ABOUT OUR SENIORITY AND PROGRESSION TO COMMAND. Read my earlier post - 5 new aircraft means 50 pilots to go across, which means 50 slots off the Airbus . Which means 25 commands on the bus, one of them mine, AND 25 new F/O's off the street,maybe you guys, on present COS, no run down of pay.
How can you possible say it is not about progression to command. You are so naive.
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Trevor, I read your initial posts and thought, "Well done!" You posted factual information to allow these guys to see what they could potentially be getting themselves into. You are undoing all your good work by getting into a slanging match.
For anyone applying for the FO positions, why on Earth would you think that KA will allow you to move on to the Airbus COS down the track? You will not be on the seniority list (because if you were, why are KA interviewing guys AFTER you for Airbus positions who will effectively be junior to you?? i.e. pilots employed after you will be on better pay and conditions)
As far as the argument goes about telling KA (in a nice way) that you are not interested in the freight position, but rather an Airbus one, this is more than reasonable. They have created these (freighter) positions for pilots who want to commute, not ones who want to live in HK. If you want to live in HK you want to apply for the Airbus positions. Everyone's circumstances are different and the KA interviewers know this.
BTW unless something has changed, the gratuity IS the provident fund. And 10% versus 15% for other HKG based KA pilots...
For anyone applying for the FO positions, why on Earth would you think that KA will allow you to move on to the Airbus COS down the track? You will not be on the seniority list (because if you were, why are KA interviewing guys AFTER you for Airbus positions who will effectively be junior to you?? i.e. pilots employed after you will be on better pay and conditions)
As far as the argument goes about telling KA (in a nice way) that you are not interested in the freight position, but rather an Airbus one, this is more than reasonable. They have created these (freighter) positions for pilots who want to commute, not ones who want to live in HK. If you want to live in HK you want to apply for the Airbus positions. Everyone's circumstances are different and the KA interviewers know this.
BTW unless something has changed, the gratuity IS the provident fund. And 10% versus 15% for other HKG based KA pilots...
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I absolutely underestand the entire issue and the politics involved. Yes, I 've applied for the Aibus pax fleet for the past 6 years and the only positive reply from KA HR was this freighter position not the pax. So could I ask you all if you were in my shoe what would you have done, accept the invitation for an interview or reject it and never will get a call again. Because now you will be black marked as an unsuitable candidate. Do I dismiss this opportunity, no, compares to some of the offers out there this is a better deal than most currently been offered in the market. Look at Air China, China Airlines, EVA Air, China Eastern, SIA, CX, Air Macau, CR, HKE, Viva Macau, MAS, Hanian Airlines and etc, all are very simular not much better.
Travor, read your own post buddy the real underline agrument is exactly what I've said because you might missed out a command opportunity, right.
So for those 25 possible commands these group of senior KA pilots would kick up a big sting.
As mentioned before everyone's circumstances are different commuting works for me. I already own a 2150' sqft place in HK.
Travor, read your own post buddy the real underline agrument is exactly what I've said because you might missed out a command opportunity, right.
So for those 25 possible commands these group of senior KA pilots would kick up a big sting.
As mentioned before everyone's circumstances are different commuting works for me. I already own a 2150' sqft place in HK.
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Exactly. I can share my mates 3 bedroom flat for almost no money. HKG need not be expensive.
As far as hiring Airbus guys from under us, its something I am going to ask in the interview. Where do they see us in a few years, what are the options.. hopefully I can get them to put me into the AIrbus hiring group.
But as far as declining the interview, that would ensure I never got on.
I am sure it will piss you off to know Trevor, that I have 3 mates at KA too, and they are providing me with lots of help for the interview; Everyone is not so militant as yourself.
You gotta play the ball, not the man;
We don't make the rules, we are just trying to both get a head.
Personally, I hope you guys get it sorted and get the $$$ ect.. I hope they wish they offer me an Airbus right seat.. I hope for peace in East Timor too..
What's more likely in the the new semi communist SAR is the company and government ( let's remember who has a large % of ownership in KA - CINAC which is a Chinese gov't business) will do as the like. Things like senority will likely become a thing of the past. Will guys leave, absolutely.
Hey, I am willing to go for mid 70's a year; not for mid 50s. I assure someone will. There are guys that will go for mid 30s a year, and then the 50K guys will leave. Then you have some Phillipino or Indo guys for which 2500 USD a month is good coin, and they will take it.
There is no answer..just make your ££ while you can.
As far as hiring Airbus guys from under us, its something I am going to ask in the interview. Where do they see us in a few years, what are the options.. hopefully I can get them to put me into the AIrbus hiring group.
But as far as declining the interview, that would ensure I never got on.
I am sure it will piss you off to know Trevor, that I have 3 mates at KA too, and they are providing me with lots of help for the interview; Everyone is not so militant as yourself.
You gotta play the ball, not the man;
We don't make the rules, we are just trying to both get a head.
Personally, I hope you guys get it sorted and get the $$$ ect.. I hope they wish they offer me an Airbus right seat.. I hope for peace in East Timor too..
What's more likely in the the new semi communist SAR is the company and government ( let's remember who has a large % of ownership in KA - CINAC which is a Chinese gov't business) will do as the like. Things like senority will likely become a thing of the past. Will guys leave, absolutely.
Hey, I am willing to go for mid 70's a year; not for mid 50s. I assure someone will. There are guys that will go for mid 30s a year, and then the 50K guys will leave. Then you have some Phillipino or Indo guys for which 2500 USD a month is good coin, and they will take it.
There is no answer..just make your ££ while you can.
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PLASMA
I am a Professional Pilot on the Airbus fleet. I love my job.
What I don't love is the un-intelligent cheap shot that you had at my colleague Trevor. Let me refresh your memory, 'challenging us to walk off the job enmass and stating that my team member is a powerless enuch'.
This sort of attitude will do you harm up here. If you are going to come up, perhaps you should re-evaluate yourself and not be so reactive.
KAFO
What I don't love is the un-intelligent cheap shot that you had at my colleague Trevor. Let me refresh your memory, 'challenging us to walk off the job enmass and stating that my team member is a powerless enuch'.
This sort of attitude will do you harm up here. If you are going to come up, perhaps you should re-evaluate yourself and not be so reactive.
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KAFO,
I came looking for info on my interview, but I got a fight.
As mentioned I have friends at KA and they agree. If the KAPA wants prospective pilots not to come, then they need a stronger stand. I do not want ANY part in the fight or the goings on. I simply have been applying for years to KA and finally have an interview.
I came looking for info on my interview, but I got a fight.
As mentioned I have friends at KA and they agree. If the KAPA wants prospective pilots not to come, then they need a stronger stand. I do not want ANY part in the fight or the goings on. I simply have been applying for years to KA and finally have an interview.
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Hypothetical?
I have been watching this thread with much interest, as I too have a Dragonair interview. From my vantage point it certainly does seem that there is somewhat of a sh
t fight going on and it does make me look long and hard at the position. I do however have a couple of burning questions and a bit of a hypothetical that I would like answered.
I am treating the trip to Hong Kong and interview mostly as a fact finding mission. Because living in Australia it is nigh on impossible to get the story straight with regard to Dragonair. I will attend the interview with an open mind and ask the questions I need to make up my mind about the issue.
Now I have a question for the DPA, will the DPA be making availaible representatives, to talk to prospective interviewees and put forward their side of the story. I think this would be essential in gaining the required knowledge in order to make an informed decision!
As far as the positions go this would certainly be a step up for me, both on aircraft type and pay, I could commute quite easily from Australia and still get a lot more cash in hand than I do now. I suspect that this is probably part of the the reason, that some of the applicants have been invited and it is a smart move by Dragonair.
As for me personally, given the short time frame, my current experience and what I know about the Dragonair interview process it, will be an uphill battle for me to pass the interview process anyway, so this all may be a moot point.
So here's my hypothetical...
Assuming all things go well and I am accepted by Dragonair, I am being asked by the DPA to knock back the position, in order to protect their members positions. Now this is something I would certainly give thought to, but I would like to know if I am going to make a VERY LARGE SACRIFICE for the DPA, what will they do to help me?
If I am expected to knock back my dream position, will they then come to my aid and fight my battle? Because at that point I would have been found suitable for a position at Dragonair, will the DPA then push for me to join Dragonair through more conventional means? I would certainly like to be a Dragonair pilot and the commuting roster certainly appeals to me, but I don't necessarily want to be branded a pariah for the rest of my career.
DPA and it's members, can I count on your support?
Cheers, HH.
t fight going on and it does make me look long and hard at the position. I do however have a couple of burning questions and a bit of a hypothetical that I would like answered.I am treating the trip to Hong Kong and interview mostly as a fact finding mission. Because living in Australia it is nigh on impossible to get the story straight with regard to Dragonair. I will attend the interview with an open mind and ask the questions I need to make up my mind about the issue.
Now I have a question for the DPA, will the DPA be making availaible representatives, to talk to prospective interviewees and put forward their side of the story. I think this would be essential in gaining the required knowledge in order to make an informed decision!
As far as the positions go this would certainly be a step up for me, both on aircraft type and pay, I could commute quite easily from Australia and still get a lot more cash in hand than I do now. I suspect that this is probably part of the the reason, that some of the applicants have been invited and it is a smart move by Dragonair.
As for me personally, given the short time frame, my current experience and what I know about the Dragonair interview process it, will be an uphill battle for me to pass the interview process anyway, so this all may be a moot point.
So here's my hypothetical...
Assuming all things go well and I am accepted by Dragonair, I am being asked by the DPA to knock back the position, in order to protect their members positions. Now this is something I would certainly give thought to, but I would like to know if I am going to make a VERY LARGE SACRIFICE for the DPA, what will they do to help me?
If I am expected to knock back my dream position, will they then come to my aid and fight my battle? Because at that point I would have been found suitable for a position at Dragonair, will the DPA then push for me to join Dragonair through more conventional means? I would certainly like to be a Dragonair pilot and the commuting roster certainly appeals to me, but I don't necessarily want to be branded a pariah for the rest of my career.
DPA and it's members, can I count on your support?
Cheers, HH.
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Contact DPA
Howard Hughes!
Contact the guys in DPA and ask for their thoughts.
You will find their emails thru their website www.dpa.hk
I think you need to read up on Dragonair a bit more. Dragonair is not a company to join with a substandard COS. You will not enjoy your lifestyle.
Contact the guys in DPA and ask for their thoughts.
You will find their emails thru their website www.dpa.hk
I think you need to read up on Dragonair a bit more. Dragonair is not a company to join with a substandard COS. You will not enjoy your lifestyle.
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can you future family live with the others families?
Plasma,
Of course you can have a "decent" life, or maybe even save a little money for your retirement scheme. You should start the savings now because you will need it. You cannot have both lifestyle and savings on that FCS contract.
And you better stay with your friends in their 3 bedroom appartment. Your future family might even like. But I really doubt it.
Once your family have had enough, then you will have to look for another job. Unfortunatly, no body wants you because you broke the ban. There you go, stuck in HKG with no money and a wife that bugs you. That's what I call a great carreer.
Its is very short sighted and probably inresposible to yourself to say that you can live like that.
to sum it up: you screw yourself
and you screw the KA-pilots and their families.
They will treat you accordingly, I hope.
On the other hand, you might be lucky and find a sweet and beatiful chineese girl. This will instantly solve your appartment problem since you can stay with her family. Then you can really save for that retirement and for your super Hong Kong lifestyle. Not a bad thing..
Of course you can have a "decent" life, or maybe even save a little money for your retirement scheme. You should start the savings now because you will need it. You cannot have both lifestyle and savings on that FCS contract.
And you better stay with your friends in their 3 bedroom appartment. Your future family might even like. But I really doubt it.
Once your family have had enough, then you will have to look for another job. Unfortunatly, no body wants you because you broke the ban. There you go, stuck in HKG with no money and a wife that bugs you. That's what I call a great carreer.
Its is very short sighted and probably inresposible to yourself to say that you can live like that.
to sum it up: you screw yourself
and you screw the KA-pilots and their families. They will treat you accordingly, I hope.
On the other hand, you might be lucky and find a sweet and beatiful chineese girl. This will instantly solve your appartment problem since you can stay with her family. Then you can really save for that retirement and for your super Hong Kong lifestyle. Not a bad thing..
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it is not a Dragonair job
forgot one thing.
You have applied for a job in Dragonair, and the company has offered you an interview. It is apparently the way to do buisness in HKG. The company is using your weak position to offer you a crabby job.
Your dream is to join Dragonair, and you want it so bad that you cannot see the facts.
You have probably convinced yourself that you are joining Dragonair, but this is not the case. You are joining FCS, which is a low cost attemp.
Look at the other low cost carriers around. They started with a "less than acceptable" deal. Still, their conditions are being erroded away. This will happen in FCS as well, and then you will be in an even worse position than now. That chineese family thing gets more and more realistic....
Dragonair is telling you exactly what you want to hear, don't trust a word they say at the interview. They have changed position before. They use the Dragonair name to convince you that this is indeed a Dragonair job. Don't fool yourself.
I assume that they are looking for responsible guys so it is perfectly acceptable to decline a job offer on basis that you can only support your family on the real Dragonair contract. If they cannot accept this, then the question is if it worth working for FCS.....
You have applied for a job in Dragonair, and the company has offered you an interview. It is apparently the way to do buisness in HKG. The company is using your weak position to offer you a crabby job.
Your dream is to join Dragonair, and you want it so bad that you cannot see the facts.
You have probably convinced yourself that you are joining Dragonair, but this is not the case. You are joining FCS, which is a low cost attemp.
Look at the other low cost carriers around. They started with a "less than acceptable" deal. Still, their conditions are being erroded away. This will happen in FCS as well, and then you will be in an even worse position than now. That chineese family thing gets more and more realistic....
Dragonair is telling you exactly what you want to hear, don't trust a word they say at the interview. They have changed position before. They use the Dragonair name to convince you that this is indeed a Dragonair job. Don't fool yourself.
I assume that they are looking for responsible guys so it is perfectly acceptable to decline a job offer on basis that you can only support your family on the real Dragonair contract. If they cannot accept this, then the question is if it worth working for FCS.....
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There is no way known that the DPA could support you/fight for you if you were to make the sacrifice and knock back the -400 position. They are a union, they don't tell the company who to employ. No matter how much they would like to help.
I think that all the relevant info has been posted here (if you look past all the slanging) and you can make up your own mind.
You really must be careful in making your decision however. The contract being ofered is full of holes. The pilots in KA still don't know exactly how it will work.
You say you want to commute - make sure you check to see what sort of groups of days-off the contract guarantees. No-one up here can get an answer. (i..e. there is NO answer, no-one knows yet).
Don't forget you will need to buy confirmed tickets to commute out of your own pocket. I don't think that you will be able to travel subload and I know that KA will not accept any excuses when you don't make sign-on.
Loads of other questions that I am sure you will be able to ask.
If you are coming up as an FO I personally don't think any of you will get a hard time from the incumbents (maybe pity?
). If you are lucky enough to be included on the KA seniority list (another good question) you will be junior to everyone. BUT you will still be IFALPA black banned for interfering in a legal dispute.
Don't take anything that is said in the interview as fact. Make sure it is in the contract. And not the 'contract summary' that is given out at the interview. (The FCS -300 pilots in Manchester were told that they would get 15% gratuity during the interview. After they had given notice, they received the actual contract - now 10%).
I don't know why it has taken some of you so long to get interviews, as KA has been expanding rapidly for the last few years. Have you thought that you are now indeed the next most-highly qualified, suitable applicants in the application pool? You have been applying because you want to live in HK and/or you know what the package is, and that is what you want. You will be doing yourselves an injustice if you accept less than what you wanted when an Airbus interview may be just around the corner.
BTW Roo - "Can't you all see the core of the matter is that those KA pilots cannot get what they want to fly the B744 and pulled a fast one on the rest of us"
You are speaking out of your arse. We have a contract and it includes a seniority policy. We fly KA aircraft on our AOC out of HKG. It is very simple. When the company attempts to illegally move the goalposts you think that we should just accept it?
And if this worst case scenario was to take place I can just see you complaining in a few years, "You Airbus guys should have done more to stop this happening, you should be supporting us and getting our pay and conditions up, its not right or fair..."
I think that all the relevant info has been posted here (if you look past all the slanging) and you can make up your own mind.
You really must be careful in making your decision however. The contract being ofered is full of holes. The pilots in KA still don't know exactly how it will work.
You say you want to commute - make sure you check to see what sort of groups of days-off the contract guarantees. No-one up here can get an answer. (i..e. there is NO answer, no-one knows yet).
Don't forget you will need to buy confirmed tickets to commute out of your own pocket. I don't think that you will be able to travel subload and I know that KA will not accept any excuses when you don't make sign-on.
Loads of other questions that I am sure you will be able to ask.
If you are coming up as an FO I personally don't think any of you will get a hard time from the incumbents (maybe pity?
). If you are lucky enough to be included on the KA seniority list (another good question) you will be junior to everyone. BUT you will still be IFALPA black banned for interfering in a legal dispute.Don't take anything that is said in the interview as fact. Make sure it is in the contract. And not the 'contract summary' that is given out at the interview. (The FCS -300 pilots in Manchester were told that they would get 15% gratuity during the interview. After they had given notice, they received the actual contract - now 10%).
I don't know why it has taken some of you so long to get interviews, as KA has been expanding rapidly for the last few years. Have you thought that you are now indeed the next most-highly qualified, suitable applicants in the application pool? You have been applying because you want to live in HK and/or you know what the package is, and that is what you want. You will be doing yourselves an injustice if you accept less than what you wanted when an Airbus interview may be just around the corner.
BTW Roo - "Can't you all see the core of the matter is that those KA pilots cannot get what they want to fly the B744 and pulled a fast one on the rest of us"
You are speaking out of your arse. We have a contract and it includes a seniority policy. We fly KA aircraft on our AOC out of HKG. It is very simple. When the company attempts to illegally move the goalposts you think that we should just accept it?
And if this worst case scenario was to take place I can just see you complaining in a few years, "You Airbus guys should have done more to stop this happening, you should be supporting us and getting our pay and conditions up, its not right or fair..."
We've all calmed down
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Thank you for your support and yes I did get into a slanging match. I aplogise to readers, to Plama, Roo and the others.
Why did I get wound up. This is my first ever dealing with a potential scabbing issue and it hurts. To have KA do this to us sux, it is wrong, and being aided and abbetted is frustrating. This is why Australia is so stuffed now.
To Roo, Plasma et all, I understand your position wholheartedly, I have had two cases of unemployment, 9 months and 6 months -it is very stressful with kids and a mortgage. I know how much it hurts to want the job. But PLEASE read the posts from the guys in the know. If you can't see our side of the issue - fine. But at least read the warnings of what it means to you.
HK Express employed guys on a **** deal and already they have introduced a B scale and renegged on important contractual obligations. This is what this place is like. KA are doing it to us, they will do it to you. DO NOT underestimate them.
Your pay will be bad, your lifestyle will be virtually non existant. Our freighter organisation is very shambolic, not necessarily the company's fault, just the cost of doing business. There will be occasions where you commute to HK, be told it has all changed, go home. You won't be reimbursed for your ticket.
One guy who went from the Airbus across to the classic says he loves the freighter operation. It is so shambolic that he gets so many phone calls saying his pattern has gone pear shaped, stay at home. So he is getting more time at home than he ever was.
And Howard Hughes - I actually believe that if you did the right thing the DPA would offer help. I certainly would. PM me any time dude.
At the end of the day guys, do what you must do. Just read the warnings and go in eyes open. Good luck to you all.
And as for me - for all my rants and raves, it probably won't effect me in the end anyway. Because like so many of my colleagues, this company is doing its best to piss me off left right and centre so I and many of my colleagues don't intend to hang around.
Trev
Thank you for your support and yes I did get into a slanging match. I aplogise to readers, to Plama, Roo and the others.
Why did I get wound up. This is my first ever dealing with a potential scabbing issue and it hurts. To have KA do this to us sux, it is wrong, and being aided and abbetted is frustrating. This is why Australia is so stuffed now.
To Roo, Plasma et all, I understand your position wholheartedly, I have had two cases of unemployment, 9 months and 6 months -it is very stressful with kids and a mortgage. I know how much it hurts to want the job. But PLEASE read the posts from the guys in the know. If you can't see our side of the issue - fine. But at least read the warnings of what it means to you.
HK Express employed guys on a **** deal and already they have introduced a B scale and renegged on important contractual obligations. This is what this place is like. KA are doing it to us, they will do it to you. DO NOT underestimate them.
Your pay will be bad, your lifestyle will be virtually non existant. Our freighter organisation is very shambolic, not necessarily the company's fault, just the cost of doing business. There will be occasions where you commute to HK, be told it has all changed, go home. You won't be reimbursed for your ticket.
One guy who went from the Airbus across to the classic says he loves the freighter operation. It is so shambolic that he gets so many phone calls saying his pattern has gone pear shaped, stay at home. So he is getting more time at home than he ever was.
And Howard Hughes - I actually believe that if you did the right thing the DPA would offer help. I certainly would. PM me any time dude.
At the end of the day guys, do what you must do. Just read the warnings and go in eyes open. Good luck to you all.
And as for me - for all my rants and raves, it probably won't effect me in the end anyway. Because like so many of my colleagues, this company is doing its best to piss me off left right and centre so I and many of my colleagues don't intend to hang around.
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A few more points for prospective F/O's- a) Not making sign on on a staff ticket is a sackable offence. It doesn't matter if it was caused my mechanical or wx. b) The company hinted at a five year freeze for current KA pilots on the 747-400 due the high cost of training. I can understand this. Airbus driver is trained on 747 and a replacement trained on Airbus. The double whammy accountants hate! I believe for this reason there will be no promised progression onto the Airbus fleet the new hires. Because they are already so cheap and willing, keep them there! Airline accountants all around the world have learnt this trick.