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Those being interviewed should be aware that the company has already told their pilots who are interested in the 744 that they are only recruiting for a USA base with a Hong Kong report. USA bases will not be available for some time. If you want to try and live in HK on US$54K or commute in your valueable but scarce spare time - good luck. Also don't underestimate the IALPA ban. When you have realised that the deal sucks and want to get out, a lot of companys won't touch you.
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ROO, the dispute is basically over the poor deal being offered to fly the -400 and seniority issues. For any current KA pilots to fly the -400 we have to take a pay cut and lose many benefits and allowances. It also means leaving Dragonair and joining FCS which is what you guys are being offered. We have rejected that but the company is trying to forge ahead with this attack on our COS. We want you to join on the same COS as us and fly the -400 when you are senior enough to bid for it. If you want to trample all over that Plasma then you will reap your just rewards with the attitude you appear to have. Make no mistake this is not an opening into Dragonair and you will not be able to transfer to the pax fleet. It is not the same as the reduced benefits at BA etc because our current COS still continue and Dragonair are still recruiting. You are NOT JOINING Dragonair.
You will be expected to report to HKG do your duty cycle and go home again in your own time or provide your own accommodation in HKG, no housing allowance.
Kids school? sort it out yourself.
Travel? sort it out yourself.
You will not have much change out of your $5400, don't expect me to buy you a beer in the China Coast.
You will be expected to report to HKG do your duty cycle and go home again in your own time or provide your own accommodation in HKG, no housing allowance.
Kids school? sort it out yourself.
Travel? sort it out yourself.
You will not have much change out of your $5400, don't expect me to buy you a beer in the China Coast.
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No kids or expenses... I currently fly the B747 anyway I am not coming for the type..My mate has a 3 bedroom in Tung Chung for 7000HKD a month. I will likely do the same. CR pays less and they live in HKG OK.
Look, I am not trying to be an ass. Frankly I am sure my technical knowledge is not up to KA standard, But I will go to the interview and ask the questions.
Cheers.
Look, I am not trying to be an ass. Frankly I am sure my technical knowledge is not up to KA standard, But I will go to the interview and ask the questions.
Cheers.
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Hey, I'm fascinated. Where is there another 744 operator that pays worse than this shabby deal? You say you have no comitments and are prepared to live in a dive in concrete city for 7K a month. Can't be bigger than 700sqft - great lifestyle!
You are exactly what the KA management want. Someone cheap who thinks like them! So it may be OK for CR or HKE, but take a look at the threads on this forum with comments from their employees. They 'aint happy and are leaving. But perhaps you aren't intending to stay long anyway as you seem to think that a nice place to live or schooling isn't important.
You are exactly what the KA management want. Someone cheap who thinks like them! So it may be OK for CR or HKE, but take a look at the threads on this forum with comments from their employees. They 'aint happy and are leaving. But perhaps you aren't intending to stay long anyway as you seem to think that a nice place to live or schooling isn't important.
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There are a lot.. have you looked at starting salaries in the Gulf these days.. I inteviewed and was hired at Jade Cargo in SHZ, but delined as their pay was about $1500 less than KA. China Airlines across the water pays less.. almost every other operator thats not CX or BA pays the same of less than KA. With Perdiem / allowance ect.. I expect 5400 is more like 70-7500 a month.
Did you know that there are a lot of -400 on the street still? Experienced, typed and layed off?
As for living in DB (golf cart heaven) or Tung Chung, I would chose my mates 1200 sq foot place anyday. Facilities at Caribbean Coast are fantastic.
The point of this this thread was for those of us GOING to interview to get more information, not to get career advise.
Did you know that there are a lot of -400 on the street still? Experienced, typed and layed off?
As for living in DB (golf cart heaven) or Tung Chung, I would chose my mates 1200 sq foot place anyday. Facilities at Caribbean Coast are fantastic.
The point of this this thread was for those of us GOING to interview to get more information, not to get career advise.
Might also be worthwhile telling the interviewers that you are recording the interview. They have a track record of interview promises (or 'expectations') failing to appear in the final contract. Of course this only becomes apparant after you have resigned/ moved country etc. The classic freighter crews have still not recieved what they were promised at interview 6 years ago.
Keep a low profile in HK I suggest.
Keep a low profile in HK I suggest.
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Originally Posted by Karunch
Might also be worthwhile telling the interviewers that you are recording the interview. .
It is quite clear that $5400 pm doesn't get much any more.
Riding the 743 probably wouldn't make much difference in your case Plasma.
Good luck , you'll need it if you are unable to learn from those who've been down this path before you.
Riding the 743 probably wouldn't make much difference in your case Plasma.
Good luck , you'll need it if you are unable to learn from those who've been down this path before you.
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Plasma, why do you want to live in Tung Chung without an expatriate package? The whole concept is a commuting package supposedly.
If you enjoy Tung Chung, you are well advised to hold off for a Hong Kong Airbus slot. Perhaps fly for Jade until you get an interview? They are furiously interviewing for Airbus slots at the moment. Maybe you are just a pawn in a game of trying to force conditions lower? You certainly come accross as the ideal candidate, 747 endorsed and willing to live in HK without the expat allowances and with good and well thought out arguments about the ban. A touch dillusional on your self worth in the market place as a 747 driver maybe. Actually, you mirror management sentiments very closely, if you aren't management already, don't worry about the interview. You will blitz it.
If you enjoy Tung Chung, you are well advised to hold off for a Hong Kong Airbus slot. Perhaps fly for Jade until you get an interview? They are furiously interviewing for Airbus slots at the moment. Maybe you are just a pawn in a game of trying to force conditions lower? You certainly come accross as the ideal candidate, 747 endorsed and willing to live in HK without the expat allowances and with good and well thought out arguments about the ban. A touch dillusional on your self worth in the market place as a 747 driver maybe. Actually, you mirror management sentiments very closely, if you aren't management already, don't worry about the interview. You will blitz it.
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Originally Posted by Karunch
It is quite clear that $5400 pm doesn't get much any more.
Riding the 743 probably wouldn't make much difference in your case Plasma.
Good luck , you'll need it if you are unable to learn from those who've been down this path before you.
Riding the 743 probably wouldn't make much difference in your case Plasma.
Good luck , you'll need it if you are unable to learn from those who've been down this path before you.
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Originally Posted by Karunch
It is quite clear that $5400 pm doesn't get much any more.
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so $7200 perdiem, $5400 grat, and the $64,800 is $77,400 + Prov fund.
I know it is not what you guys get. I WANT what you guys get. I want 65K for housing and to live at the 4 Seasons. HOWEVER, its not being offered.
So, I will go to the interview, try and do well, and see where it takes me.
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notes about scab
just a quick note on the scab issue.
Most pilots who apply for a job are looking for a better job, better career and a brighter future, preferably in a major and respected airline like KA or CX.
Most attactive major airlines have either pilot unions or association. If they don't, then the company is probably located in the Middle East, Africa, China or other places where unions and associations are outlawed.
This means that the company can basically dictate what your working conditions are, you salary, your leave etc. You have very few rights. The company can change the rules as they wish, within the law.
If you take a job despite a IFALPA ban then you should know that most major pilot unions/associations have a list of pilots who have broken a previous IFALPA ban. Their names are known all over the world. This can (and probably will) prevent you from being hired by a respected company. This happened before, and also in Dragonair.
If your name is on that list then your career is probably limited to the previously mentioned Middle Easters, Chinese, or African airlines. Who want's to be stuck there?
With regards to the pilots who accepted a job in CX during the CX ban, well I guess they are stuck in CX now, wether they like it or not. But they are lucky that they got stuck in a respected and good company.
This will not happen if you take the current IFALPA banned job. You will be stuck in your career. I agree, it looks much better to have a 744 endorsement, but that is no good if no one wants to deal with you afterwards because of the scab-list.
If you are a F/O then you can probably also look forward to many years in the right seat, upgrades don't come easy......And you can't get another job.
All of us has worked hard to reach our flying ambitions. You can ruin or severly limit your future by taking a IFALPA banned job.
I hope that fellow colleagues take this info into considerations before taking any IFALPA banned job.
Much better to apply for a safe and well paid job in KA or CX or other jobs which are protected by unions and associations. You will get it when your number is up. There are thousands of jobs comming up in the next years......
Most pilots who apply for a job are looking for a better job, better career and a brighter future, preferably in a major and respected airline like KA or CX.
Most attactive major airlines have either pilot unions or association. If they don't, then the company is probably located in the Middle East, Africa, China or other places where unions and associations are outlawed.
This means that the company can basically dictate what your working conditions are, you salary, your leave etc. You have very few rights. The company can change the rules as they wish, within the law.
If you take a job despite a IFALPA ban then you should know that most major pilot unions/associations have a list of pilots who have broken a previous IFALPA ban. Their names are known all over the world. This can (and probably will) prevent you from being hired by a respected company. This happened before, and also in Dragonair.
If your name is on that list then your career is probably limited to the previously mentioned Middle Easters, Chinese, or African airlines. Who want's to be stuck there?
With regards to the pilots who accepted a job in CX during the CX ban, well I guess they are stuck in CX now, wether they like it or not. But they are lucky that they got stuck in a respected and good company.
This will not happen if you take the current IFALPA banned job. You will be stuck in your career. I agree, it looks much better to have a 744 endorsement, but that is no good if no one wants to deal with you afterwards because of the scab-list.
If you are a F/O then you can probably also look forward to many years in the right seat, upgrades don't come easy......And you can't get another job.
All of us has worked hard to reach our flying ambitions. You can ruin or severly limit your future by taking a IFALPA banned job.
I hope that fellow colleagues take this info into considerations before taking any IFALPA banned job.
Much better to apply for a safe and well paid job in KA or CX or other jobs which are protected by unions and associations. You will get it when your number is up. There are thousands of jobs comming up in the next years......
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interesting stuff about company structure
The company (FCS - that you will be hired by) will have an interesting pilot group composition:
6 pilots with the best seniority in KA will be offered a transfer to this new 744 operation. They will be "on loan" and they keep their KA job and salary and they can retur to KA when they wish. They will be on A-scale with all the benefits that comes with it.
They are probably the guy's that succesfully have been fighting for better conditions for the KA pilots and fighting to keep this operation within the KA group.
Once they retire they will be replaced with the next most senior KA pilot!
These very senior pilots will be instructors and evaluators and thereby have a lot of influence on your future.
They loose nothing by going to this operation because they take the job under current KA conditions, which is what the dispute is all about.
This will go on for 25 years time until the new hired pilots are senior to all current KA pilots!!!!
Sound to me like a battle that cannot be won.
Will that be a career step?
6 pilots with the best seniority in KA will be offered a transfer to this new 744 operation. They will be "on loan" and they keep their KA job and salary and they can retur to KA when they wish. They will be on A-scale with all the benefits that comes with it.
They are probably the guy's that succesfully have been fighting for better conditions for the KA pilots and fighting to keep this operation within the KA group.
Once they retire they will be replaced with the next most senior KA pilot!
These very senior pilots will be instructors and evaluators and thereby have a lot of influence on your future.
They loose nothing by going to this operation because they take the job under current KA conditions, which is what the dispute is all about.
This will go on for 25 years time until the new hired pilots are senior to all current KA pilots!!!!
Sound to me like a battle that cannot be won.
Will that be a career step?
THE REAL FACTS
For all you guys looking at doing this interview, please read this carefully and absorb it. Some of what I say has been covered, but it is an important issue and I feel it justifys a full and frank airing to allow you guys to be informed about this.
Why is there a fight between the pilots and Dragonair?
Why DOES this fight affect you?
Why is the financial deal offered so bad?
FACTS I am a F/O at Dragonair. I joined under a legal and binding contract that includes many benefits relating to being an expat - housing, schooling, provident fund etc. That contract also stipulates many aspects of my job including how the company must act in respect of me and how I must act in fulfilment of my contract.
One of the issues my contract addresses is the fact that new aircraft introduced into Dragonair will be flown by Dragonair pilots by virtue of our seniority on our present terms and conditions. Obviously as new aircraft are introduced there is movement in the company and my command comes around quicker with all the commensurate financial benefits.
Dragonair has decided to say stick your contract, we are going to recruit outside the company (in breach of the contract) and pay jack sh!t. This is illegal, immoral and insulting to present hard working employees. So we the Dragonair Pilots don't just roll over and accept this - we fight for our rights. Just ONE method of fighting is via the recruitment ban. We don't expect it to be fully effective - but at least what it means is guys will stop and think that as an IFALPA recognised ban, they WILL be branded a scab.
A scab is a person who will undermine the job of another by taking away his rightful job and doing it for less for his own gain. You are taking my job. With 5 744s coming that is at least 25 commands I will miss out on, 25 commands that my contract says is rightfully and legally mine. So take this job and you take my job - you are a scab!
Plasma, your naivety stuns me. You posed 3 statements - 1. "I am not an IFALPA member." Mate, you do not have to be an IFALPA member to be branded a SCAB. 2. "It's a fight between KA pilots and the management, not mine. The pilots should act." Mate we are acting - but people like you make the fight so much harder. People who have no respect for others trying to maintain what they have and what they are entitled to. People who are damned stupid and selfish. 3. "look at all the guys at Cathay who joined during the ban - they are flying away happily" Yes they are. They are in an airline offering good pay, progression and a solid career. In other words they can stay there. You will have none of these in this job, NONE. You WILL very soon be looking for another job and as a scab, matey boy, good luck.
Dragonair are screwing us hard, do you think you will be immune to being screwed over? Don't be stupid son. Twatts will make your life miserable. Even on the package we are on morale is at an all time low. On the pocket money you will be on, the job will destroy you.
This is a fight for the industry as much as for ourselves. Too much selfishness and stupidity in Australia has ruined the industry there. So you and your mates come here on a crap deal, branded as a scab and get your hours up. You beauty - time to look for another job. Where you gunna go, where is the industry better. Mate its ruined, don't ruin it more.
Roo-c26B - you echo many of Plasma's naivety. You want this job to move you "on to the top" you say. Take this job mate and its all over for you. And it IS the new hirers fight. You also said you guys would become the victims of this fight. So if we Dragonair guys roll over and become the victims, rather than letting you guys be the victims, - mate that is scabbing. Remember 89 - the original pilots became the victims due to other guys accepting their jobs - and they are called scabs.
Imagine if where you are flying now, where you have been for a few years, working your way up to the twin, or the turbine, then they say we are getting a new CRJ for Charter. But you guys can't fly it. We've found some guys who will do it for heaps less.
THE PAY DEAL At the moment $5400 USD for an F/O is $7160 AUD per month. So $85920 per year. Plus $8500 gratuity. (forget the piddling per dium - if you are factoring that into survival then you know your pay is crap).
So all up about $94,000 AUD per year. If you choose to commute you will pay Aussie tax on that. If you choose to commute then you will need 3 return air fares a month. Lets say you do get them on ID90 (pretty hard to travel ID90 up to HK when you MUST be there. So this travel figure is probably very conservative), you are looking at $1200 per month, or for say 10 months a year, $12,000. You need to earn about $20,000 gross to spend that $12,000. So you are left with $74,000. And while in HK pay for your own hotel before and after your duty. I won't factor that in so lets say $74,000 is what you are left with. $74k to fly a B744 and plasma you think that is commensurate with the world rate. Chortle chortle. And $74k to spend most of your life sitting on a damn aeroplane.
So you decide to live in HK. Your pay is (with gratuity factored in) is $7,868 AUD per month. Mate, my rent for an average 3 bedroom residence is over $8,000 AUD per month. Live in HK on $7800 per month? Hope you like the smell of dogfood, but I don't think you'll be able to afford even that. Over $103,000 HK goes into my account each month. We live a fairly benign lifestyle and we are saving NOTHING. Try to do it on $42k HK per month.
This is not a pleasant company to work for. Our package helps somewhat. But you guys on this money, you will be so miserable when you start to realise what you have gotten yourself into. Our 6 year old freighter service is still a raving shambles. The new 744 operation is going to be laughable. You will fly to HK, then be told it's all too hard, the pattern is cancelled, go home and come back in 5 days time. Not trying to scare you here guys. This is what happens. These clowns here couldn't organise a root in a brothel.
And let me leave you with one more reality to really make you think. The DPA has issued a writ with the high court over the contract breach. The lawyers say it is open and shut. Dragonair has a very poor record in the courts, but they keep proving they are prepared to give it a go, but they keep losing. This writ will take a while - and when we win it, and Dragonair are forced to crew it by present pilots on present COS, where does that leave you?? On the street in Wan Chai mate, unemployed and all on your own. Think about it.
And KA will be doing much more Airbus recruiting this year.
And finally -- Dragonair are exceptionally good at filtering out the d1ckheads during interviews. So Plasma - don't even waste your time.
Why is there a fight between the pilots and Dragonair?
Why DOES this fight affect you?
Why is the financial deal offered so bad?
FACTS I am a F/O at Dragonair. I joined under a legal and binding contract that includes many benefits relating to being an expat - housing, schooling, provident fund etc. That contract also stipulates many aspects of my job including how the company must act in respect of me and how I must act in fulfilment of my contract.
One of the issues my contract addresses is the fact that new aircraft introduced into Dragonair will be flown by Dragonair pilots by virtue of our seniority on our present terms and conditions. Obviously as new aircraft are introduced there is movement in the company and my command comes around quicker with all the commensurate financial benefits.
Dragonair has decided to say stick your contract, we are going to recruit outside the company (in breach of the contract) and pay jack sh!t. This is illegal, immoral and insulting to present hard working employees. So we the Dragonair Pilots don't just roll over and accept this - we fight for our rights. Just ONE method of fighting is via the recruitment ban. We don't expect it to be fully effective - but at least what it means is guys will stop and think that as an IFALPA recognised ban, they WILL be branded a scab.
A scab is a person who will undermine the job of another by taking away his rightful job and doing it for less for his own gain. You are taking my job. With 5 744s coming that is at least 25 commands I will miss out on, 25 commands that my contract says is rightfully and legally mine. So take this job and you take my job - you are a scab!
Plasma, your naivety stuns me. You posed 3 statements - 1. "I am not an IFALPA member." Mate, you do not have to be an IFALPA member to be branded a SCAB. 2. "It's a fight between KA pilots and the management, not mine. The pilots should act." Mate we are acting - but people like you make the fight so much harder. People who have no respect for others trying to maintain what they have and what they are entitled to. People who are damned stupid and selfish. 3. "look at all the guys at Cathay who joined during the ban - they are flying away happily" Yes they are. They are in an airline offering good pay, progression and a solid career. In other words they can stay there. You will have none of these in this job, NONE. You WILL very soon be looking for another job and as a scab, matey boy, good luck.
Dragonair are screwing us hard, do you think you will be immune to being screwed over? Don't be stupid son. Twatts will make your life miserable. Even on the package we are on morale is at an all time low. On the pocket money you will be on, the job will destroy you.
This is a fight for the industry as much as for ourselves. Too much selfishness and stupidity in Australia has ruined the industry there. So you and your mates come here on a crap deal, branded as a scab and get your hours up. You beauty - time to look for another job. Where you gunna go, where is the industry better. Mate its ruined, don't ruin it more.
Roo-c26B - you echo many of Plasma's naivety. You want this job to move you "on to the top" you say. Take this job mate and its all over for you. And it IS the new hirers fight. You also said you guys would become the victims of this fight. So if we Dragonair guys roll over and become the victims, rather than letting you guys be the victims, - mate that is scabbing. Remember 89 - the original pilots became the victims due to other guys accepting their jobs - and they are called scabs.
Imagine if where you are flying now, where you have been for a few years, working your way up to the twin, or the turbine, then they say we are getting a new CRJ for Charter. But you guys can't fly it. We've found some guys who will do it for heaps less.
THE PAY DEAL At the moment $5400 USD for an F/O is $7160 AUD per month. So $85920 per year. Plus $8500 gratuity. (forget the piddling per dium - if you are factoring that into survival then you know your pay is crap).
So all up about $94,000 AUD per year. If you choose to commute you will pay Aussie tax on that. If you choose to commute then you will need 3 return air fares a month. Lets say you do get them on ID90 (pretty hard to travel ID90 up to HK when you MUST be there. So this travel figure is probably very conservative), you are looking at $1200 per month, or for say 10 months a year, $12,000. You need to earn about $20,000 gross to spend that $12,000. So you are left with $74,000. And while in HK pay for your own hotel before and after your duty. I won't factor that in so lets say $74,000 is what you are left with. $74k to fly a B744 and plasma you think that is commensurate with the world rate. Chortle chortle. And $74k to spend most of your life sitting on a damn aeroplane.
So you decide to live in HK. Your pay is (with gratuity factored in) is $7,868 AUD per month. Mate, my rent for an average 3 bedroom residence is over $8,000 AUD per month. Live in HK on $7800 per month? Hope you like the smell of dogfood, but I don't think you'll be able to afford even that. Over $103,000 HK goes into my account each month. We live a fairly benign lifestyle and we are saving NOTHING. Try to do it on $42k HK per month.
This is not a pleasant company to work for. Our package helps somewhat. But you guys on this money, you will be so miserable when you start to realise what you have gotten yourself into. Our 6 year old freighter service is still a raving shambles. The new 744 operation is going to be laughable. You will fly to HK, then be told it's all too hard, the pattern is cancelled, go home and come back in 5 days time. Not trying to scare you here guys. This is what happens. These clowns here couldn't organise a root in a brothel.
And let me leave you with one more reality to really make you think. The DPA has issued a writ with the high court over the contract breach. The lawyers say it is open and shut. Dragonair has a very poor record in the courts, but they keep proving they are prepared to give it a go, but they keep losing. This writ will take a while - and when we win it, and Dragonair are forced to crew it by present pilots on present COS, where does that leave you?? On the street in Wan Chai mate, unemployed and all on your own. Think about it.
And KA will be doing much more Airbus recruiting this year.
And finally -- Dragonair are exceptionally good at filtering out the d1ckheads during interviews. So Plasma - don't even waste your time.
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So I am a d1ckhead for wanting to accept their offer.
Nice , you are truely a professional. In fact YOU are more of a reason not to work there than anything else.
Rents in Tung Chung are cheap. Less than 1000 AUS, not 7000. Want to commute, Thailand is close and very cheap.
I didn't make the rules, I am just playing the game. The fact of the matter is LIKE IT or NOT, there will be 20 guys hired next week to fly the 2nd -400. If its not me, its someone else.
How do you know we won't be offered mainline flying on the Airbus? It's not your decison, it's KA's and as you point out, they show little interest in keeping the contract with you. What exactly is stopping them from allowing a -400 guy onto an Airbus?
or does Dragon keep us on mainline?
You don't get it. It's not up to you or your DPA.
Then you are an idiot. I lived in HKG last year for 6 months and saved a mit making 50K month.
Rent 10K
Travel MTR 800
Food 300 day/ 9000
phone 200
so thats 20K. Where is the rest of you cash going? you need to reexamine what the expat life is about.; Its making £££££££££££. or saving them anyway.
Until you are willing to walk off your job enmass, you are a powerless enuch.
Nice , you are truely a professional. In fact YOU are more of a reason not to work there than anything else.
Rents in Tung Chung are cheap. Less than 1000 AUS, not 7000. Want to commute, Thailand is close and very cheap.
I didn't make the rules, I am just playing the game. The fact of the matter is LIKE IT or NOT, there will be 20 guys hired next week to fly the 2nd -400. If its not me, its someone else.
How do you know we won't be offered mainline flying on the Airbus? It's not your decison, it's KA's and as you point out, they show little interest in keeping the contract with you. What exactly is stopping them from allowing a -400 guy onto an Airbus?
and when we win it, and Dragonair are forced to crew it by present pilots on present COS, where does that leave you?? On the street in Wan Chai mate, unemployed and all on your own. Think about it.
You don't get it. It's not up to you or your DPA.
So you decide to live in HK. Your pay is (with gratuity factored in) is $7,868 AUD per month. Mate, my rent for an average 3 bedroom residence is over $8,000 AUD per month. Live in HK on $7800 per month? Hope you like the smell of dogfood, but I don't think you'll be able to afford even that. Over $103,000 HK goes into my account each month. We live a fairly benign lifestyle and we are saving NOTHING. Try to do it on $42k HK per month.
Rent 10K
Travel MTR 800
Food 300 day/ 9000
phone 200
so thats 20K. Where is the rest of you cash going? you need to reexamine what the expat life is about.; Its making £££££££££££. or saving them anyway.
Until you are willing to walk off your job enmass, you are a powerless enuch.
You idiot
Ohh Plasma
you are just the sort of idiot this industry needs. You obviously read Pprune. Can't you see the damage that has been done by people like you constantly undercutting.
1. I was going to say I hope you get knocked back - but mute point. You are a tool and they will see that.
2. If you do get in,(and quite frankly I must admit it is possible because anyone who applies for this package is obviously a dim wit, so therefore all other interviewees will probably be as stupid as you) I will enjoy watching you go broke.
3. Thanks for not listening to sound, solid reasoning from people in the job. **** we don't need people like you destroying jobs.
4. You are a scab. I hope you become branded and live with the consequences forever.
5. You called me an idiot. Well idiot or no idiot, I will be on 3 times the wage you are on and with a far better A330 lifestyle - so who is the idiot.
6. You said in one post you would love to be on the package we are on, something about wetting yourself. Well dopey, how are you ever going to be on a package like this when you and other twits tell airline managers that you are willing to work for food. Can I suggest you never will.
6. Sorry Woomera - but this guy is a clown, and I'm sure you can see that. His attitude is despicable. To be honest I would pull out all stops to help him get an Airbus job in KA if he were to see the light and be honorable.
you are just the sort of idiot this industry needs. You obviously read Pprune. Can't you see the damage that has been done by people like you constantly undercutting.
1. I was going to say I hope you get knocked back - but mute point. You are a tool and they will see that.
2. If you do get in,(and quite frankly I must admit it is possible because anyone who applies for this package is obviously a dim wit, so therefore all other interviewees will probably be as stupid as you) I will enjoy watching you go broke.
3. Thanks for not listening to sound, solid reasoning from people in the job. **** we don't need people like you destroying jobs.
4. You are a scab. I hope you become branded and live with the consequences forever.
5. You called me an idiot. Well idiot or no idiot, I will be on 3 times the wage you are on and with a far better A330 lifestyle - so who is the idiot.
6. You said in one post you would love to be on the package we are on, something about wetting yourself. Well dopey, how are you ever going to be on a package like this when you and other twits tell airline managers that you are willing to work for food. Can I suggest you never will.
6. Sorry Woomera - but this guy is a clown, and I'm sure you can see that. His attitude is despicable. To be honest I would pull out all stops to help him get an Airbus job in KA if he were to see the light and be honorable.
Sorry, forgot one thing
And one more thing
How do I know KA won't put you on the Airbus in the future????? Because KA tried once alrady to put a scab on the Airbus and they lost. This is not a weak pilots association. And that scab didn't even scab against KA pilots. So you scabbing against us - coming to the Airbus????? Mate you are dreaming, it cannot possibly happen. You are on povertyy wages forever. Live it up numbnuts.
How do I know KA won't put you on the Airbus in the future????? Because KA tried once alrady to put a scab on the Airbus and they lost. This is not a weak pilots association. And that scab didn't even scab against KA pilots. So you scabbing against us - coming to the Airbus????? Mate you are dreaming, it cannot possibly happen. You are on povertyy wages forever. Live it up numbnuts.
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Plasma what do you not understand about the fact YOU ARE NOT BEING OFFERED A JOB WITH DRAGONAIR. You will not transfer to Airbus because they will want to keep you in Flight Crew Services where you have been daft enough to accept a job. If you want our package then apply to join Dragonair.
PB I suspect the sim will be on Airbus.
PB I suspect the sim will be on Airbus.
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Trevor,
It's probably easy for guys like you to see the bad points about this gig. If guys want to stop flying turboprops around, who are you to stop them? Who made you God?
Remember 89'???? Why don't you and merry brothers f@cking get over it! If it's such a sh@t gig, why the fuss????
Maybe you should take your 3x salary and A330 lifestyle and with some luck you'll fall of the back of your yacht and f$%king drown.
Good luck to the guys going for this. Do your homework, and make your own decision on it. If these guys rememer 89' they'll retire soon. If they think they're doing you a favour, tell them to swap with your current jobs so they can taste hard work for a change.
It's probably easy for guys like you to see the bad points about this gig. If guys want to stop flying turboprops around, who are you to stop them? Who made you God?
Remember 89'???? Why don't you and merry brothers f@cking get over it! If it's such a sh@t gig, why the fuss????
Maybe you should take your 3x salary and A330 lifestyle and with some luck you'll fall of the back of your yacht and f$%king drown.
Good luck to the guys going for this. Do your homework, and make your own decision on it. If these guys rememer 89' they'll retire soon. If they think they're doing you a favour, tell them to swap with your current jobs so they can taste hard work for a change.